2. Re: Ver 4 problem

• Posted by mattlewis (admin) Nov 15, 2013
• 2814 views

I don't know if this issue has been fixed in subsequent releases, but the first thing I recommend you do is stop using an old beta version. There have been a lot of fixes since then. Please let us know if the current release still has this problem.

Matt

4. Re: Ver 4 problem

• Posted by mattlewis (admin) Nov 15, 2013
• 2787 views

No, it's very different. 4.0b4 is ancient compared to 4.0.5.

Matt

6. Re: Ver 4 problem

• Posted by mattlewis (admin) Nov 15, 2013
• 2824 views

You must be looking at a different page than me. On every page I go to on this site, there is a "downloads" tab right there at the top. 4.0b4 is on the "Previous Releases" page, waaaay down. If you somehow managed to find that link and decided it was the most recent stable version, there is something wrong with you.

I assumed that Don has been using that version for a long time for some reason and has simply never upgraded. Even if it doesn't fix the problem he's having, 4.0.5 is much better, probably a lot faster and definitely less likely to leak memory.

For reference and the terminally lazy, here is what the download page looks like as I post this:

8. Re: Ver 4 problem

• Posted by mattlewis (admin) Nov 15, 2013
• 2764 views

I don't know what you're talking about. October was when 4.0.5 was released (so say the downloads page and the news on the front page). Did you re-build it in February or something?

FYI, 4.0b4 was released 8/29/2010.

Matt

10. Re: Ver 4 problem

• Posted by jimcbrown (admin) Nov 15, 2013
• 2748 views

Looking at the tags, 4.0.5 was released on October 2012. http://scm.openeuphoria.org/hg/euphoria/rev/362497032f33 There have been no further releases (or re-releases) since then for the 4.0 line. http://scm.openeuphoria.org/hg/euphoria/tags

The fixes you describe were indeed done by Feb of 2013, however they won't be in a released version until 4.0.6 is released. http://scm.openeuphoria.org/hg/euphoria/rev/6bae389f572c?revcount=240 http://scm.openeuphoria.org/hg/euphoria/rev/dd834258410e?revcount=240

They are also being documented in the release notes for 4.0.6 (rather than 4.0.5). http://scm.openeuphoria.org/hg/euphoria/file/e79275ac5d37/docs/release/4.0.6.txt

The version you are running is technically a pre-alpha 4.0.6 - but it's so pre-alpha that it reports an incorrect version number!

12. Re: Ver 4 problem

• Posted by useless_ Nov 15, 2013
• 2802 views

For those needing references like jimcbrown, i refer you to http://openeuphoria.org/forum/m/120769.wc , feel free click "view thread" and scroll up if you want to view the fighting and drama in getting the fix done to that point.

But the official release of Oct 2012 is known to contain bugs. Why be still releasing it as the current version?! This is infuriating to me, and at least annoying to Ry (as he started that thread about it a week ago, which was never fully answered by any devs). It's infuriating to me because it's as if you are shooting yourself in both feet as to Eu being seen as bugfree and stable, and some of us know you're doing it, and there's nothing we can do about it but complain on the forum like this. The Feb 2013 should be the newest release, in my opinion, unless you are hiding something better.

useless

14. Re: Ver 4 problem

• Posted by jimcbrown (admin) Nov 15, 2013
• 2751 views

I looked and couldn't find any there. At most, one could say that it took Matt a few tries to understand that there was still a new leak.

There was all sorts of addition things that had to happen (such as regression testing and documentation updates) which is why the Feb 2013 version didn't immediately become a new release.

But this is a moot point, as we're ready to release 4.0.6 and 4.1.0 now.

Well, Ry is a dev, so I suggest you take up the full answer with him.

Again, Ry is a dev, he can do the entire release by himself if he wanted to. There's nothing (that I know of) stopping him.

We do have something better, and we're not hiding it. That's the head of the 4.0 branch, which is ready to become the 4.0.6 release.

16. Re: Ver 4 problem

• Posted by jimcbrown (admin) Nov 15, 2013
• 2731 views

An official release would not (or at least should not) say "vX.X.X development". The word "development" there is a keyword signifying that this is not an official release.

18. Re: Ver 4 problem

• Posted by jaygade Nov 16, 2013
• 2691 views

That's very surprising to me. I don't think that 4.0.6 or 4.1.0 are anywhere CLOSE to being ready for release. Then again, maybe I'm thinking of the state of the source from 3-4 months ago. (It was a real mess.)

Not that most of the complainers are doing much to help fix it, but still.

20. Re: New Pdf For Editing or Download

• Posted by useless_ Nov 16, 2013
• 2668 views

[preview] button not working here either.

Ah, figured it out: Firefox update canceled the permission to use googleapis, which the [preview] button uses.

useless

22. Re: Ver 4 problem

• Posted by mattlewis (admin) Nov 16, 2013
• 2700 views

Speaking for me, I believe yours is a self imposed limitation.

Matt

24. Re: Ver 4 problem

• Posted by DonCole Nov 16, 2013
• 2674 views

To Matt and others,

Thank you for responces.

I up graded to version 4.0.5.

I get the same problem with the following exception.

The first time I run winwire it comes out on top as it should.

Then each and every time after that it is hidden.

I must click the icon in the windows toolbar to get it to come to the top.

I am running with Edita set at full screen when I start my Euphoria program.

Again I would like to point out that I'm not having any of these problems when I run version 3 in the same manner.

Don Cole

26. Re: Ver 4 problem

• Posted by jimcbrown (admin) Nov 17, 2013
• 2620 views

This is why I don't like using Sourceforge. It seems we tagged specific OSes (like Windoze or OSX) but we didn't have an update BSD or Solaris file, and the last one that was tagged for those was the b2 source file. I've updated Sourceforge to use a newer file as the default for the source for all unix platforms now, by following the instructions here: http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/sourceforge/ticket/20991

If it was up to me and me alone, then I'd drop sourceforge in a heartbeat. The ONLY thing we use it for these days is to host the releases, but we could do that directly on the openeuphoria.org server itself. (Well, there's the mailing list - which is never used these days, but perhaps still around as a backup form of commuication in case the forum goes down.)

I agree with mattlewis - Don Cole has previously specified using other versions of Euphoria beside 4.0b2 (e.g. he says he's trying out 4.0b4 here: http://openeuphoria.org/forum/m/122594.wc )

Unless Don Cole says otherwise, I'll continue assuming that the misleading sourceforge link was not the issue for him.

Thanks for reporting the problem.

28. Re: Ver 4 problem

• Posted by EUWX Nov 17, 2013
• 2591 views
• Last edited Nov 18, 2013

Whether or not you like Sourceforge is your personal viewpoint. Millions do like it and come to it for Open source software. You might like to understand the general usage by most people who have gone to Sourceforge more than 4-5 times for download. At that point they start downloading the latest release prominently displayed.
You might also have noticed 139 downloads this week. Considering your URL has been for an old download since 2009, and presuming 30% of the people downloaded, and considering about 20% of those downloaded quickly from the Sourceforge displayed prominent URL over this period of time, my very fast Excel calculates over 1700 false downloads.
In the Open source world this amount of misleading would be considered negligence at best.

30. Re: Ver 4 problem

• Posted by EUWX Nov 18, 2013
• 2502 views

If you do not like Sourceforge or do not want to use it, it is your prerogative. However, if you continue to use it as you still are, you should not mislead the public. Also remember, that people are visiting Euphoria at Sourceforge directly from search within Sourceforge or search via Google. In the retail world, your actions are tantamount to false advertising.
The reality though is that you do recognize the value of Sourceforge presence and therefore, you should change your advertising to reflect the current product and its characteristics, AND MAINTAIN YOUR ADVERTS PROPERLY.

32. Re: Ver 4 problem

• Posted by andi49 Nov 18, 2013
• 2428 views

Hallo

Also i do not use Edita anymore, i remember from the past that your problem sounds like using eui.exe (the console pops up every program you start) for win GUI programs.
Maybe you better use euiw.exe for GUI programs (so the console only pops up if there is an error)

Andreas

34. Re: Ver 4 problem

• Posted by ryanj Nov 18, 2013
• 2416 views

You all have good points. With just a little bit of looking around, it isn't difficult to find a recent build of Euphoria. I don't mean to be harsh, but, think about a what a person may think when they look at the website and see the following information:

• Server Maintenance: Aug 07, 2013. Several months ago, the site may have been down for a few hours. That's good to know....
• Euphoria 4.0.5 Released! Woohoo! Oh wait...that was Oct 19, 2012...over 1 year ago :'-( So.......are there any new developments?
• Outage the weekend of June 22nd to 25th: That's good to know....

Ok, so nothing has happened for a year. Moving on....

Obviously, people can figure out how to download a development version, but which one of hundreds of daily builds is the most stable? The one from yesterday? 4 days ago? What about new bugs or experimental features? Should i try one from a month ago for more stability? Or was the last stable version 3 months ago?

I think people would really appreciate it if someone who knows about the developments of Euphoria would write a quick paragraph at least every month or two, explaining the exciting new developments coming up in the next version, and recommended beta versions to download. I think the whole point of the front page is to catch people's attention and attract people to Euphoria. No one expects a new version every few months, I think they just want to see that a new version is under development, and that there will be new features to look forward to. Even if it's a few months away, at least people would know what's going on without combing through hundreds of forum posts or dev-team mail messages.

Please don't take this the wrong way. I don't mean to complain, I just want to see Euphoria's "public relations" improve and the Euphoria community to grow. I would volunteer to do it myself, but I don't have time because I'm already busy trying to contribute by writing useful open-source programs in Euphoria.

36. Re: Ver 4 problem

• Posted by useless_ Nov 18, 2013
• 2432 views

Not really, not for everyone else, just maybe true for those you want to help. Those you have decided years ago that you don't want to help, you delete their posts. Like you did already once today.

useless

38. Re: Ver 4 problem

• Posted by useless_ Nov 19, 2013
• 2463 views

1) I did not delete my post on Nov 18.
2) You don't want me editing this website, we've been over that before.
3) My contributions for:
3a) what i put into eunet and http.e was recoded beyond all recognition
3b) my irc.e was refused, and i even offered it to Ry again last week
3c) my taskmsg.e was refused

You got the situation you wanted, don't say everyone is too busy to help you when you don't want the help that's offered.

useless

40. Re: Ver 4 problem

• Posted by jimcbrown (admin) Nov 19, 2013
• 2295 views

Conceded.

We've never been over that before, afaik.

It's been a while, so I'll address this - just once.

I can't speak for eunet. (m_sabal's not on the dev team and afaik none of the dev team members are active member's of the eunet team). I agree with mattlewis about the rest of this.

I can find no record of irc.e being refused by the dev team. If Ry was offered the chance by you to accept it on behalf of the dev team and refused it last week on behalf of the dev team, then he did so wrongly... he also failed to tell anyone else that it had even been offered so recently.

As mattlewis previously pointed out, http://openeuphoria.org/forum/m/119312.wc , it was wanted (not refused) but got sidetracked. Sadly, no one has found time to pick it up since. As you also pointed out then,

But of course we can't just add taskmsg.e to the code without guaranteeing that it'll run. So there is at least some work there. It's not a simple copy and paste job that could be done in less than a minute.

Even contending that this was solved (perhaps Ry will find time to get it to work with 4.0.6 over the weekend), we still have a feature freeze currently in place until after 4.0.6 and 4.1.0 are released, so even though we'd accept and hold onto patches, we'd sit on them until after the releases were made.

I haven't heard anyone besides ghaberk offer to help do the release. And technically he's already on the dev team!

Stop putting words into my mouth. I never said I wanted this situation.

42. Re: Ver 4 problem

• Posted by jimcbrown (admin) Dec 02, 2013
• 2045 views

Thanks!

I've granted you administrator access. You now have the ability to post new news - click on the news tab and you should see the button to do so.

Feel free to try it out by posting a test news item or two.

44. Re: Ver 4 problem

• Posted by jimcbrown (admin) Dec 02, 2013
• 2037 views

The way the forum works for news is that, the top few news items are listed on the front page. It grabs the newest ones, but if the newest news items are from a year ago, then that's what ends up being displayed.

(Aside rom posting actual new news,) the only alternative that I can think of is to modify the forum itself so that it simply ignores any news older thansome arbiturary number (e.g. 2 weeks) - in which case the current news part would be empty.

46. Re: Ver 4 problem

• Posted by jimcbrown (admin) Dec 02, 2013
• 2019 views

I've given you the same access to add post new news. The other changes you describe require code changes to the forum software. (As a side note, technically you do actually already have developer access to the repo for that.)

48. Re: Ver 4 problem

• Posted by jimcbrown (admin) Dec 02, 2013
• 2006 views

Now that I think of it, we probably only need one other news item, or two if the item from August is not recent enough.

Maybe the FluidAE release can be counted as well? http://openeuphoria.org/forum/m/123090.wc

Maybe we can do a short news release about the new, ryanj suggested community summary system as well....