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2. Re: [OT] OS error in file access?

• Posted by DerekParnell (admin) Dec 01, 2009
• 1212 views

Is the problem only with this specific file; are other files in the same folder okay?

Can you rename the file? If so does the problem go away?

Can you copy the file? If so, does the problem also happen with the copied file?

Can you move the file? If so, does the problem also happen with the moved file?

4. Re: [OT] OS error in file access?

• Posted by DerekParnell (admin) Dec 01, 2009
• 1187 views

What does that mean?

6. Re: [OT] OS error in file access?

• Posted by DerekParnell (admin) Dec 01, 2009
• 1178 views

I'm sorry for not making myself clear.

What I meant was, your statement is open to a number of interpretations and I'm not sure which one you re trying to get across to me. For instance, do you mean ...

• After I download the files, I must wait for a period of time before the system allows me to open, move, ...
• After getting the system error message, I can then open, move, ... the files but I can't do any of that until I get that message.
• I can only open, move, ... the files in the latter part of the day.
• Or something else entirely different.

Your phrase "I can later" seems to imply that some event must occur before you can perform one of those functions on the files in question. I'm just not sure what that event is in your case.

Also, I'm not sure if you have actually answered all my earlier questions, so I'll repeat them here, with a little more context as well.

Immediately after getting the system error message, ...

• Can you rename the file? If so, do you get the message with the renamed file?
• Can you copy the file? If so, do you get the message with the copied file?
• Can you move the file? If so, do you get the message with the moved file?

8. Re: [OT] OS error in file access?

• Posted by DerekParnell (admin) Dec 01, 2009
• 1179 views

I just tried to get on to IRC to talk to you about this, but it appears that I've been banned from tiggrbox.

I'm having trouble understanding what you are doing with these files. Can you please explain the steps and tools you are using, from getting the files to getting the error message.

10. Re: [OT] OS error in file access?

• Posted by useless Dec 01, 2009
• 1160 views

And this has happened on Maxtor, Seagate, and WesternDigital drives. And on P4 and Athlon cpus, with memory from 1gig to 2 gigs, single and dual channel. It's happened on 10/100 and on 10/100/1000 lans <sub>as well as dialup and telco dsl and cable.

And due to overwhelming pressure on irc, i canceled the TeraCopy copy with control-alt-del, renamed the ONE file with the ' in it, and restarted the TeraCopy, and it will likely be several more hours before a error report is made. Nevermind this has been going on since before i ever heard of TeraCopy, and ONE SINGLE ' isn't the cause of all the world's problems.

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12. Re: [OT] OS error in file access?

• Posted by useless Dec 02, 2009
• 1133 views

Are you sure you want to get into that again? You didn't log what you said?

Can anyone explain to me why it's taken 10 postings to get this far?

It's not necessarily the entire drive, it could be just one folder of 60gigabytes. Or it could be the automated sequential copying of one file at a time, which is what happens in any case, and in this case the quantity of files yet to be copied is unknown to the OS and the number that's been copied is ancient irrelavant history.

The overall number of files doesn't really matter, there will be some not copied, especially if i drag/drop multiple folders.

It could be that we are talking about millions of files. But i thought the point of digital computers was that the number was digital, that it wouldn't wear out thru multiple accesses, it wouldn't be forgotten or overlooked, and that x(binary) =(always and forever) x(binary), and if i told the computer to copy 2^21 files, it copied 2^21 files. I don't believe i am making unreasonable demands on it.

useless

14. Re: [OT] OS error in file access?

• Posted by DerekParnell (admin) Dec 03, 2009
• 1108 views

Into what??? I don't remember saying anything especially vile enough to be instantly banned without a warning first.

I didn't log that session because ...

1. to state the bleeding obvious, I'm not perfect
2. I don't know how to log an IRC session.
3. It never occurred to me that one would need to log a session.

As for being banned, I would have thought the normal and appropriate course of action would go more like ...

Derek, that <specific behaviour> is not welcome or tolerated here. 
Please apologize and refrain from repeating it. 

It must be one or more of the following ...

• I'm really bad at understanding you
• You're really bad at explaining your situation
• Something else entirely

I can see from the hundreds of other responses you got, that I've been extremely thick at working out what could be the problem you are experiencing, but at least I made an effort to be helpful.

Okay, so it can happen at any time regardless of how many files you are copying, and regardless of whether you are using Microsoft programs or third-party programs. But it still seems that you are write Euphoria programs that open a file and read it okay.

Another question ... when you get the message for a specific file, do continue getting the message on subsequent copy attempts for the same file, or is the file copied on a subsequent attempt? In other words, does the message relate to a specific copying session or to a specific file?

Not to mention that Microsoft software never has bugs.

And seeing you are the only person in the world getting this message, I believe that Microsoft has been specifically tasked by the NSA to stuff up your subversive data acquisition activities.

16. Re: [OT] OS error in file access?

• Posted by useless Dec 06, 2009
• 1053 views

 
> http://web2.minasi.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=22332 
 
> Sure enough, some folders and files were reset to default permissions. I had to 
>  manually reset the appropriate permissions. 
 
> So, since the CHKDSK was aborted, the dirty bit is still set on the volume. 
> Normally, this would be solved by letting CHKDSK run again, and letting it run to 
> completion. I do not want to reset permissions on almost 3 million files in over 
> 100,000 directories just because CHKDSK erroneously thinks the security IDs are 
> invalid. 
 
> Well, VRFYDSK showed me that it found "invalid security ids" that it wants to 
> replace with "default security ids", the original problem. So, this hotfix does not 
> address the current situation, and the support tech's assertation that I should  
> reboot and let CHKDSK run would have destroyed my permission structure. 
 
> How many erroneous entries were there in the VRFYDSK output file? Only 716,490. 
> That's a lot of security entries I would have had to replace if I had followed this 
> fellow's advice... 
 
> Microsoft called back and said -- AGAIN -- that they have no solution to this and 
> want to give up. 
 
> I explained to the PSS -- AGAIN -- that Microsoft does, in fact, have the resources 
> to diagnose why a Microsoft tool (CHKDSK) wants to remove perfectly valid 
> permissions created on a Microsoft product (Windows 2003 Server) that is most 
> definitely in support, not past its prime, and that these permissions exist on a 
> Microsoft-created file system (NTFS). 
 
> Posted - 05/01/2007 :  3:14:14 PM      
 
> 84 files, major progress, very little to repair. Highly doubt MS will help, as a 
> google search comes up with nothing related to MS repairing the damage in this 
> situation. 
 

It's not just chkdsk, it's all file operations over 4.1 million, whether on a local drive-to-drive operation, or across a inter/intranet. It seems to be the same on 64bit OSs too. But it smells like a 32bit problem, because windoze's default "cluster size" on hard drives is 1000 bytes so a 4.1 MegaFile number smells like a 4.2 GigaByte pointer problem, but could be coincidence. However, changing to 512 byte clusters, per native harddrive specs, doesn't help any.

Anyhow, it seems i am not the only one getting BSOD'd on large quantities of files, and it's not a Euphoria-specific problem. In case anyone is wondering how huge data server farms get around this, i can only speculate they are running 3rd party software and db management apps like SQL which access the drive directly and may have only one file to manage.

useless