1. Where are all the 272 members on the mailing list?
Is it just me or do 5% of the subscribers to the Euphoria mailing list
write 95% of the emails?
I'm sure a large percentage of subscribers have never sent an email???
Am I completely wrong about this?
Ray Smith
2. Re: Where are all the 272 members on the mailing list?
I don't have time enough to read those from 5%.
Imagine the number of mails x 20 !!!
(and Happy New Year...
Riwal ~0.3%
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ray & Debbie Smith [SMTP:smithr at IX.NET.AU]
> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 2:06 PM
> To: EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU
> Subject: Where are all the 272 members on the mailing list?
>
> Is it just me or do 5% of the subscribers to the Euphoria mailing list
> write 95% of the emails?
> I'm sure a large percentage of subscribers have never sent an email???
> Am I completely wrong about this?
>
> Ray Smith
3. Re: Where are all the 272 members on the mailing list?
You are probably right. After all, it's better to keep one's mouth shut and be
thought of as a fool than to open it and remove all doubt. 
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On 1/12/01 at 12:05 AM Ray & Debbie Smith wrote:
|Is it just me or do 5% of the subscribers to the Euphoria mailing list
|write 95% of the emails?
|I'm sure a large percentage of subscribers have never sent an email???
|Am I completely wrong about this?
|
|Ray Smith
4. Re: Where are all the 272 members on the mailing list?
>From: Sascha Zindel <s.zindel at GMX.NET>
>Reply-To: Euphoria Programming for MS-DOS <EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU>
>To: EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU
>Subject: Re: Where are all the 272 members on the mailing list?
>Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 17:06:26 +0100
>
>still there
>
> > Is it just me or do 5% of the subscribers to the Euphoria mailing list
> > write 95% of the emails?
Hey there,
I sent email I think a few years ago. Maybe not,
I don't really remember. Anyway at any rate I'm
letting you know! -that you're wrong, What the hell,
I think. Hell, I don't know. What was it that you
wanted anyway? Are you the same person that was here
before? Can I get it for you? or not? Is there some-
thing that you wanted? What was it anyway?
-Mike
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5. Re: Where are all the 272 members on the mailing list?
still there
> Is it just me or do 5% of the subscribers to the Euphoria mailing list
> write 95% of the emails?
I thought quality is more important than quantity?
> I'm sure a large percentage of subscribers have never sent an email???
> Am I completely wrong about this?
>
I do not think that this is a bad sign. On most mailing lists it=B4s the
other way round...95% write, but only 5% of the mails contain useful stuf=
f.
I really think this is a mailing list with lots of good contents.
> Ray Smith
>
Sascha
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6. Re: Where are all the 272 members on the mailing list?
On Thu, 11 Jan 2001 17:39:22 -0000, Mike Bohlen <signs2 at HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
>I sent email I think a few years ago. Maybe not,
>I don't really remember. Anyway at any rate I'm
>letting you know! -that you're wrong, What the hell,
>I think. Hell, I don't know. What was it that you
>wanted anyway? Are you the same person that was here
>before? Can I get it for you? or not? Is there some-
>thing that you wanted? What was it anyway?
>
You should write a tune and make a song out of it!!! ;)
Is it was a serious question?
I guess I was thinking about that fact that there are
272 people on the list.
What is everyone using Euphoria for?
What would people like to use Euphoria for?
ie. What Libs/Euphoria enhancements would it take
to be able to use Euphoria for "most" programming tasks
rather than "some" programming tasks?
Ray Smith
7. Re: Where are all the 272 members on the mailing list?
Ray Smith wrote:
> What is everyone using Euphoria for?
>
> What would people like to use Euphoria for?
> ie. What Libs/Euphoria enhancements would it take
> to be able to use Euphoria for "most" programming tasks
> rather than "some" programming tasks?
>
> Ray Smith
Hi, Ray
To answer the above two questions first:
I'd use Euphoria to develop commercial software for those industries that I know
something about. I have completed once
such package (in Euphoria/Win32Lib), which is ready to go out the door, as soon
as I can write an installer prog.
What libs/enhancements woulkd I like to see?
1. Interactive environment (similar to that which exists is Foxpro, dBase, etc.
) in which I could type in a Euphoria
statement and have it translated and executed immiediately
2. A debug/trace facility which would have a separate window to display
variables as a program is running (and keep them
all visible at all times)
(again, a nice Foxpro feature)
3. A really good documentation facility for Win32Lib. Having come to Windows
from a mainframe environment with asccess
to DOS-ONLY Foxpro/dBase/Clipper, I found Windows programming to be a deep, dark
mysterious enigma. Still, I managed to
write a fairly professional looking project for the Windows environment using
Win32Lib.e (thanks, David) and educational
tools (Wolfgang Fritz's W32LibTutor), (Travis Beaty's very slick Encyclopedia
Euphoria). These tools are great, but
there's so much to Win32Lib that they can't begin to cover it all. But, that's
really a serious need (for me, at least).
4. A full 'industrial strength' Database system, which EDS (nice as it is) is
not (at least, not yet).
The above would make me truly Euphoric. I would happily pay a reasonable price
for them.
Regards,
Jim
(I had intended to continue with my 'desired features' list, but my kids are
complaining (ever more loudly) that they're
hungry, and when am I going to start fixing dinner?)
8. Re: Where are all the 272 members on the mailing list?
On 11 Jan 2001, at 16:44, Jim wrote:
>
> What libs/enhancements woulkd I like to see?
>
> 1. Interactive environment (similar to that which exists is Foxpro, dBase,
> etc. ) in which I could type in a Euphoria statement and have it translated
> and executed immiediately
Isn't that in the user contributions from last year already?
Kat
9. Re: Where are all the 272 members on the mailing list?
>What is everyone using Euphoria for?
>
Well in my nine months of being "Euphoric" I have put together Euphoria
programs to:
Index my home pages on my C drive prior to upload to my ISP
Have a program upload only changed files to my ISP
Fix my POP3 settings from a DOS command line
Snapsnot my 2nd PC's hard disk for "image" backup/recovery
Remind me of my relative's impending birthdays and aniversarires
Not much and nothing ground breaking but it has given me this:
1) Knowledge that a programming langauge can be fun and sexy
2) That a group of people passionatley support it
And include me in point 2) because I think it's great.
Personally <begin personal view> I like the idea that RDS controls the
"core" language and others develop libraries and such </end personal view>.
Yes I gather from many recent mailings that interfacing Euphoria to other
libraries, DLL's or whatever (I'm no expert here) has "issues" but these
I'm sure can be overcome. In the meantime IMHO I still find the langauage
freely expressive enought for my needs. I'm no games programmer (and never
will be) so as for speed Euphoria is faster that my Ford - and thats fast
enough till my next mid-XXX crisis
Andy Cranston.
10. Re: Where are all the 272 members on the mailing list?
- Posted by alban read <alban.read at NTLWORLD.COM>
Jan 11, 2001
-
Last edited Jan 12, 2001
This list is just a good read.
Alban
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 1:06 PM
To: EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU
Subject: Where are all the 272 members on the mailing list?
Is it just me or do 5% of the subscribers to the Euphoria mailing list
write 95% of the emails?
I'm sure a large percentage of subscribers have never sent an email???
Am I completely wrong about this?
Ray Smith
11. Re: Where are all the 272 members on the mailing list?
On 11 Jan 2001, at 23:59, Jim wrote:
> Kat,
>
> Do you recall the name or the author of that contribution? I've just looked
> through all the "Recent Contributions" and the Archives for anything that
> sounds like what I described previously, with no luck.
I just looked too, with no luck. Maybe it was on someone's web page, i
seem to remember it being mentioned, or me finding it, back when REBOL
was mentioned on the list. It might have been one of David's many
programs. I'm sorry i can't be of any more help, but maybe the author will
see this and venture forth.
Kat
> Jim
>
> Kat wrote:
>
> > On 11 Jan 2001, at 16:44, Jim wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > What libs/enhancements woulkd I like to see?
> > >
> > > 1. Interactive environment (similar to that which exists is Foxpro, dBase,
> > > etc. ) in which I could type in a Euphoria statement and have it
> > > translated and executed immiediately
> >
> > Isn't that in the user contributions from last year already?
> >
> > Kat
>
12. Re: Where are all the 272 members on the mailing list?
Hello Ray and everyone else,
Yes I guess it can feel that way that 5% contribute to the list and 95%
"lurk".
I've been on the list nearly nine months and (try to) only contribute when
I feel I have something valuable to add (and ok yeah maybe I should not
have bothered :)
You should think it a compliment that 95% of us are willing to listen and
learn from yourselves :-] Compliment intended.
Best regards,
Andy Cranston.
At 00:05 12/01/01 +1100, you wrote:
>Is it just me or do 5% of the subscribers to the Euphoria mailing list
>write 95% of the emails?
>I'm sure a large percentage of subscribers have never sent an email???
>Am I completely wrong about this?
>
>Ray Smith
>
>
13. Re: Where are all the 272 members on the mailing list?
- Posted by Jim <futures8 at earthlink.net>
Jan 11, 2001
-
Last edited Jan 12, 2001
Kat,
Do you recall the name or the author of that contribution? I've just looked
through all the "Recent Contributions" and
the Archives for anything that sounds like what I described previously, with no
luck.
Jim
Kat wrote:
> On 11 Jan 2001, at 16:44, Jim wrote:
>
> >
> > What libs/enhancements woulkd I like to see?
> >
> > 1. Interactive environment (similar to that which exists is Foxpro, dBase,
> > etc. ) in which I could type in a Euphoria statement and have it translated
> > and executed immiediately
>
> Isn't that in the user contributions from last year already?
>
> Kat
14. Re: Where are all the 272 members on the mailing list?
G'day
> Is it just me or do 5% of the subscribers to the Euphoria mailing list
> write 95% of the emails?
> I'm sure a large percentage of subscribers have never sent an email???
> Am I completely wrong about this?
No. I've been hanging around this list off and on for the last nearly 4
years. Maybe three times I've contributed. I tend to back away when the
flames are high. When certain people write, like Dave and Rob, I'm
interested, otherwise I wish there was a way of muck-filtering the digest.
Bruce.
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15. Re: Where are all the 272 members on the mailing list?
Thanks for trying, Kat.
Jim
Kat wrote:
> On 11 Jan 2001, at 23:59, Jim wrote:
>
> > Kat,
> >
> > Do you recall the name or the author of that contribution? I've just looked
> > through all the "Recent Contributions" and the Archives for anything that
> > sounds like what I described previously, with no luck.
>
> I just looked too, with no luck. Maybe it was on someone's web page, i
> seem to remember it being mentioned, or me finding it, back when REBOL
> was mentioned on the list. It might have been one of David's many
> programs. I'm sorry i can't be of any more help, but maybe the author will
> see this and venture forth.
>
> Kat
>
> > Jim
> >
> > Kat wrote:
> >
> > > On 11 Jan 2001, at 16:44, Jim wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > What libs/enhancements woulkd I like to see?
> > > >
> > > > 1. Interactive environment (similar to that which exists is Foxpro,
> > > > dBase,
> > > > etc. ) in which I could type in a Euphoria statement and have it
> > > > translated and executed immiediately
> > >
> > > Isn't that in the user contributions from last year already?
> > >
> > > Kat
> >
16. Re: Where are all the 272 members on the mailing list?
On Fri, 12 Jan 2001 00:05:59 +1100, Ray & Debbie Smith <smithr at IX.NET.AU>
wrote:
>Is it just me or do 5% of the subscribers to the Euphoria mailing list
>write 95% of the emails?
>I'm sure a large percentage of subscribers have never sent an email???
>Am I completely wrong about this?
>
>Ray Smith
I used to subscribe to this list, but then I found that it filled up my
mailbox too much.
Now I don't have a problem reading the messages from the web interface.
I don't post much because I am not programming anything but (again) the list
is a good read and I like to keep up on things.
17. Re: Where are all the 272 members on the mailing list?
Automatic digest processor ne keha, 12/1/01 10:01 AM per, ke:
> What is everyone using Euphoria for?
I use it for ccMail control tasks on an NT4 box.
> What would people like to use Euphoria for?
> ie. What Libs/Euphoria enhancements would it take
> to be able to use Euphoria for "most" programming tasks
> rather than "some" programming tasks?
I'm thinking ... I'm thinking ... A while back I would have said GREP, but
Dave Cuny did pattern.e and that's been helpful more than once. His Ox tool
I'm still looking at but haven't done anything with.
I suppose, given how little time I spend on PCs these days and how much
more I spend on Macintoshes, it would be great to have a Macintosh version,
if not for Systems 7 through 9, then at least for Mac OS X. It can be done:
there's Perl and there's MacPerl; why not Euphoria and MacEuphoria?
That brings me around to Perl. It has a documentation standard. I can run
Shuck (a Macintosh program) and read all the POD documentation plus whatever
POD has been embedded in whatever .pl and .pm files I might download. I can
output to HTML with the various POD2whatever translators. There is no, so
far as I know, documentation standard for Euphoria. For me that's an issue.
And then there's CPAN-shell...
Bruce
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18. Re: Where are all the 272 members on the mailing list?
On Thu, 11 Jan 2001, alban read wrote:
>> This list is just a good read.
>> Alban
I agree that some people might not use this list for asking questions, they use
it for a good read :)
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19. Re: Where are all the 272 members on the mailing list?
Ray Smith asked: Where are all the 272 members on the mailing list?
> Is it just me or do 5% of the subscribers to the Euphoria mailing list
> write 95% of the emails?
> I'm sure a large percentage of subscribers have never sent an email???
> Am I completely wrong about this?
>
> Ray Smith
I'm not sure whether I'd fit into the 5% or into the 95%, but I'll tell you
this:
First of all, I like Euphoria very much, have always found it extremely
powerful and comparatively simple to learn and use.
I'm not doing anything useful in Euphoria now, or I'd be posting it (I have
in the past, but nothing to brag of). Still, I hate to lose touch, and I
generally like the list. A good read, as some have said, but also a
gathering of good and intelligent people trying to learn and do something. I
like that very much, and even if my few posts contain little or no code (for
which I humbly apologize, but I really don't have the time), I still try to
pass on what little experience and info I have gathered over the years.
Anyone may feel free to bash me on this, as some have done...
Anyway, I wouldn't worry too much. In most human groups a few will speak out
and the rest remain content to listen, at least until they feel motivated
enough to intervene. The reverse would really astonish me!
Gerardo E. Brandariz
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20. Re: Where are all the 272 members on the mailing list?
- Posted by Dan B Moyer <DANMOYER at PRODIGY.NET>
Jan 12, 2001
-
Last edited Jan 13, 2001
Kenneth,
Actually, I think it's just the opposite:
the only stupid question is the one not asked.
If anyone on the list has a question, but they think asking it will "reveal"
their stupidity, so they don't ask it so as to not seem stupid, then the end
result is they don't get their question answered, and anyone else who could
benefit from the same answer doesn't get it either.
Dan Moyer
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kenneth C. Orr" <orrk at TELUSPLANET.NET>
To: <EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU>
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 6:48 AM
Subject: Re: Where are all the 272 members on the mailing list?
You are probably right. After all, it's better to keep one's mouth shut and
be thought of as a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.
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On 1/12/01 at 12:05 AM Ray & Debbie Smith wrote:
|Is it just me or do 5% of the subscribers to the Euphoria mailing list
|write 95% of the emails?
|I'm sure a large percentage of subscribers have never sent an email???
|Am I completely wrong about this?
|
|Ray Smith
