1. plans, ideas and dreams
Well since my linux box self destructed as of late for both known and unknown
reasons, i will not be able to do any actually coding on leftlib which has
started me thinking about it a little bit.
leftlib is coming along decently and more work has been done lately than in a
long time. right now im thinkin of coding a (full?) implementation of signal
functionality, would anyone find this useful?
most linux (and UNIX for that matter) apps use signals quite heavily when they
need to do system tasks or the likes. could Euphoria be used to create robust
linux apps with the same functionality if leftlib had the correct support for the
many different API's such as advanced file handling, message queues, semaphores,
FIFOs, Pipes, native DB support, any requests, etc.?
i am dreaming too much about Euphoria on the linux system? is leftlib a lost
cause?
i would appreciate any feedback on this subject and especially from you Bernie
because you always seem to have the most logical and benificial answers to my
questions.
i wrote up a similar message to send to the list not 5 mins ago but i got
disconnected and the message was lost so this is just trying to remember what i
typed.
Thanks to anyone who is willing to respond with their opinion
--
evil, corruption and bad taste
cEnsE
2. Re: plans, ideas and dreams
cEnsE,
The only problem with your leftlib is that much of it will be Linux/Unix only.
Of course, it would give Euphoria power that it cannot have in Windows, so why
not. It would seem to have a somewhat limited audience at the moment, but just
it's existence might enlarge that audience. I keep trying to get Linux set up on
my machine and failing miserably, but I shan't give up.
By the way, this is my announcement of my active presence on this list. Since
Rob has clearly announced his abandonment of this list with his repeated requests
that people unsubscribe, I feel free to post here without in any way feeling that
I am breaking our agreement. If he continues to post on this list, then we will
meet as equals. If this list goes away, I will try to establish another.
Everett L.(Rett) Williams
rett at gvtc.com
3. Re: plans, ideas and dreams
Everett said:
> By the way, this is my announcement of my active presence on this list.
Since Rob has clearly announced his abandonment of this list with his
repeated requests that people unsubscribe, I feel free to post here without
in any way feeling that I am breaking our agreement. If he continues to post
on this list, then we will meet as equals. If this list goes away, I will
try to establish another.
>
> Everett L.(Rett) Williams
> rett at gvtc.com
>
Hey Everett you old dog! Good to see you back. Not that I look forward to
continuous carping about how evil Rob is for not jumping to your orders -
but what the heck - the people on this list are pretty tough - if we can
live with MTS then we can sure live with you.
My suggestion is that you give Rob back the free software you got in
exchange for not participating in the list and just rejoin as a regular
member. It seems a bit odd that you'd make a deal and then break it this
way.
Bye
Martin
4. Re: plans, ideas and dreams
On Fri, 9 Feb 2001 12:13:19 -0500, Everett Williams <rett at GVTC.COM> wrote:
the moment, but just it's existence might enlarge that audience. I keep
trying to get Linux set up on my machine and failing miserably, but I
shan't give up.
>
rett:
I have found that best way to get Linux working easily is
first to select a generic compatable video card, ide hd, ide cdrom.
The next step is to get a distribution of Linux that uses a graphic
automated install program such as REDHAT 6.0 or better. Of course
there are many similar distributions. Only be sure it supports RPM
packages and has a GUI install. Using these distributions will
install Linux for you as long as your video card is detected
properly and the hard drive is large enough, 1GB gives you lots
of room. If you use choose to use the KDE desktop Linux will look
a lot like windows. Remember to let the automated install do
the work for you.
Bernie
5. Re: plans, ideas and dreams
Yo, Everett. Um, what have you done lately?
> By the way, this is my announcement of my active presence on this
> list.
>
> Everett L.(Rett) Williams
> rett at gvtc.com
*snippage occurred
6. Re: plans, ideas and dreams
On Fri, 9 Feb 2001 06:54:17 +0300, - cEnsE - <cense at MAIL.RU> wrote:
>
>most linux (and UNIX for that matter) apps use signals quite heavily when
they need to do system tasks or the likes. could Euphoria be used to create
robust linux apps with the same functionality if leftlib had the correct
support for the many different API's such as advanced file handling,
message queues, semaphores, FIFOs, Pipes, native DB support, any requests,
etc.?
>
>i am dreaming too much about Euphoria on the linux system? is leftlib a
lost cause?
>
cEnsE:
Sometimes when you start out on a project like leftlib it might not
seem of a lot value to you. But the deeper you get involved in it, it's
value will grow as you discover new ways of doing things. I'am
sure that David Cuny had no idea how much his libraries would
lead to. Don't be discourage reinstall that Linux and get going on
that library. I think that wrapping signals might also be of value.
Bernie
7. Re: plans, ideas and dreams
-----Original Message-----
> cEnsE:
>
> Sometimes when you start out on a project like leftlib it might not
> seem of a lot value to you. But the deeper you get involved in it, it's
> value will grow as you discover new ways of doing things. I'am
> sure that David Cuny had no idea how much his libraries would
> lead to. Don't be discourage reinstall that Linux and get going on
> that library. I think that wrapping signals might also be of value.
>
> Bernie
What you said was at very least, inspiring enough to make sure that i contibue
work on leftlib. things might be going slow for a while until i really get the
hang of wrapping C routines to a better degree but that is no bother. I just
wanted to get some feedback about whether leftlib was just going to collect dust
100% for sure or not. thanks
--
evil, corruption and bad taste
cEnsE
8. Re: plans, ideas and dreams
well, if you load libc.so, you can probably call all the standard C funcs.
as long as you have a linux box(or at the very least a shell account), you
could do it.
10. Re: plans, ideas and dreams
Martin,
You don't read any better now than you did before.
This list is no longer an official Euphoria list. Rob
has repeatedly requested that people unsubscribe from
this list and subscribe to the Topica list. Our agreement
was and is that I would not post on "the" Euphoria list.
There can only be one list that is "the" list. Rob has
clearly registered his intent that the Topica list be
"the" Euphoria list. Even though I was on the Topica list
before he took it over, I have acceded to his declaration
that it is "the" list. He can't have it both ways. I am
willing to maintain our bargain by not posting to whatever
list that he declares the official Euphoria list.
And, by the way, that software was in no way free. It was
earned by meeting our bargain struck in the open on the list.
I did not receive a refund of the money that I had already
paid for Euphoria as he offered. I countered that offer with
the one that was finally agreed to. I have maintained the
agreed upon silence on the list. He has now moved the list.
As a matter of fact, he never owned this list we are posting
on. It was provided by a friend of his. If the individual
that actually owns this list chooses to shut it down, I will
be disappointed.
Third, I am not and will not be a member of any group that is
under the control of Mr. Craig until he assumes a sense of
responsibility towards his customers. He is showing some faint
signs of doing so. His recent reply to Al Getz on the Topica
list was the first time that I am aware of that he has even
faintly committed to any even slightly specific future change
to the language. Until now, the only thing that we had was a
vague commitment that he would do "something" about namespaces.
You may also note that a few of the new "dogs" on the Euphoria
list such as Derek Parnell and Al Getz are getting a bit restive
and questioning about where the language is headed. Derek got
a little miffed a while back with one of Mr. Craig's short,
truculent answers, and here is a quote from Mr. Getz that says
it about as well as I could hope to:
"Since this kind of change to Euphoria would mean drastic code
style changes (presumably cleaner) in ALL programs written in
Euphoria, (not just the Winlib) when will this kind of thing
take place and what exactly can we expect to be changed?
Its kind of silly to do much serious or even semi serious coding
untill we get some sort of commitment on RDS's part, right?
So is there any forsight for us here Rob?
Any recommendations for code now in view of any comming changes?
Thanks,
Al"
Since these boys haven't been much exposed to my "corrosive"
influence, I wander where they got such ideas. Since both of
them seem to be experienced, production programmers, maybe
they are used to a different level of support and response from
a commercial product. Maybe they understand that lack of clear
input about the direction of the language makes it non-viable
for large efforts, especially commercial ones. I know that you
are a talented hobbyist, but I have seen nothing that indicates
to me that you have much understanding of or care for the world
of commercial quality software. That is not necessarily a defect
in your personality, but it does mean that you are unlikely to
easily understand my viewpoint.
Last, you are welcome to question me on any technical point, but
I will not take lightly further posting that questions my integrity.
Whatever our disagreements, such items are personal and should be
taken off this or any other list. On the other hand, I am also open
to any such questions that you or anyone else may have if they come
by private email. I think that I have made myself clear.
Everett L.(Rett) Williams
rett at gvtc.com
On Fri, 9 Feb 2001 09:38:55 -0800, simulat <simulat at INTERGATE.CA> wrote:
>Everett said:
>> By the way, this is my announcement of my active presence on this list.
>Since Rob has clearly announced his abandonment of this list with his
>repeated requests that people unsubscribe, I feel free to post here without
>in any way feeling that I am breaking our agreement. If he continues to post
>on this list, then we will meet as equals. If this list goes away, I will
>try to establish another.
>>
>> Everett L.(Rett) Williams
>> rett at gvtc.com
>>
>Hey Everett you old dog! Good to see you back. Not that I look forward to
>continuous carping about how evil Rob is for not jumping to your orders -
>but what the heck - the people on this list are pretty tough - if we can
>live with MTS then we can sure live with you.
>
>My suggestion is that you give Rob back the free software you got in
>exchange for not participating in the list and just rejoin as a regular
>member. It seems a bit odd that you'd make a deal and then break it this
>way.
>
>Bye
>Martin
11. Re: plans, ideas and dreams
- Posted by - cEnsE - <cense at mail.ru>
Feb 10, 2001
-
Last edited Feb 11, 2001
>correction: libc.so.6
that is just a sim link to the latest library on your system, prolly around
glibc.so.2.2 or so?
when you do wrappers of the standard libs in Linux you dont even need to define
which shared library you are opening, it automatically opens libc (glibc)
--
evil, corruption and bad taste
cEnsE
