Re: plans, ideas and dreams
Martin,
You don't read any better now than you did before.
This list is no longer an official Euphoria list. Rob
has repeatedly requested that people unsubscribe from
this list and subscribe to the Topica list. Our agreement
was and is that I would not post on "the" Euphoria list.
There can only be one list that is "the" list. Rob has
clearly registered his intent that the Topica list be
"the" Euphoria list. Even though I was on the Topica list
before he took it over, I have acceded to his declaration
that it is "the" list. He can't have it both ways. I am
willing to maintain our bargain by not posting to whatever
list that he declares the official Euphoria list.
And, by the way, that software was in no way free. It was
earned by meeting our bargain struck in the open on the list.
I did not receive a refund of the money that I had already
paid for Euphoria as he offered. I countered that offer with
the one that was finally agreed to. I have maintained the
agreed upon silence on the list. He has now moved the list.
As a matter of fact, he never owned this list we are posting
on. It was provided by a friend of his. If the individual
that actually owns this list chooses to shut it down, I will
be disappointed.
Third, I am not and will not be a member of any group that is
under the control of Mr. Craig until he assumes a sense of
responsibility towards his customers. He is showing some faint
signs of doing so. His recent reply to Al Getz on the Topica
list was the first time that I am aware of that he has even
faintly committed to any even slightly specific future change
to the language. Until now, the only thing that we had was a
vague commitment that he would do "something" about namespaces.
You may also note that a few of the new "dogs" on the Euphoria
list such as Derek Parnell and Al Getz are getting a bit restive
and questioning about where the language is headed. Derek got
a little miffed a while back with one of Mr. Craig's short,
truculent answers, and here is a quote from Mr. Getz that says
it about as well as I could hope to:
"Since this kind of change to Euphoria would mean drastic code
style changes (presumably cleaner) in ALL programs written in
Euphoria, (not just the Winlib) when will this kind of thing
take place and what exactly can we expect to be changed?
Its kind of silly to do much serious or even semi serious coding
untill we get some sort of commitment on RDS's part, right?
So is there any forsight for us here Rob?
Any recommendations for code now in view of any comming changes?
Thanks,
Al"
Since these boys haven't been much exposed to my "corrosive"
influence, I wander where they got such ideas. Since both of
them seem to be experienced, production programmers, maybe
they are used to a different level of support and response from
a commercial product. Maybe they understand that lack of clear
input about the direction of the language makes it non-viable
for large efforts, especially commercial ones. I know that you
are a talented hobbyist, but I have seen nothing that indicates
to me that you have much understanding of or care for the world
of commercial quality software. That is not necessarily a defect
in your personality, but it does mean that you are unlikely to
easily understand my viewpoint.
Last, you are welcome to question me on any technical point, but
I will not take lightly further posting that questions my integrity.
Whatever our disagreements, such items are personal and should be
taken off this or any other list. On the other hand, I am also open
to any such questions that you or anyone else may have if they come
by private email. I think that I have made myself clear.
Everett L.(Rett) Williams
rett at gvtc.com
On Fri, 9 Feb 2001 09:38:55 -0800, simulat <simulat at INTERGATE.CA> wrote:
>Everett said:
>> By the way, this is my announcement of my active presence on this list.
>Since Rob has clearly announced his abandonment of this list with his
>repeated requests that people unsubscribe, I feel free to post here without
>in any way feeling that I am breaking our agreement. If he continues to post
>on this list, then we will meet as equals. If this list goes away, I will
>try to establish another.
>>
>> Everett L.(Rett) Williams
>> rett at gvtc.com
>>
>Hey Everett you old dog! Good to see you back. Not that I look forward to
>continuous carping about how evil Rob is for not jumping to your orders -
>but what the heck - the people on this list are pretty tough - if we can
>live with MTS then we can sure live with you.
>
>My suggestion is that you give Rob back the free software you got in
>exchange for not participating in the list and just rejoin as a regular
>member. It seems a bit odd that you'd make a deal and then break it this
>way.
>
>Bye
>Martin
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