1. Visual Euphoria wont run
Downloaded visual euphoria, it displays box saying register euphoria
to c stuff & then it closes and nothing.
Basically it doesn't run on my computer running XP
No error file or warning
--
Regards
Tony Steward
IF IT IS TO BE IT IS UP TO ME!
2. Re: Visual Euphoria wont run
Tony Steward wrote:
>
> Downloaded visual euphoria, it displays box saying register euphoria
> to c stuff & then it closes and nothing.
>
> Basically it doesn't run on my computer running XP
>
> No error file or warning
>
> --
> Regards
> Tony Steward
>
> IF IT IS TO BE IT IS UP TO ME!
>
Oh, if only the source were available, huh? Sounds like an unregistered
translator issue to me.
What's the point? Judith provides her excellent IDE with full source
without charge. Even though I don't currently use it for my Win32Lib
apps I very much respect her work (as I do others who, at least, provide
source so that users can report errors and even contribute fixes and/or
optimizations).
Of course, I could write code in VB and submit an EXE and it would probably
be accepted to the archives... <shrug>
-- Brian
3. Re: Re: Visual Euphoria wont run
- Posted by "William Heimbigner" <icxcnika at hotpop.com>
Sep 23, 2004
-
Last edited Sep 24, 2004
----- Original Message -----
From: <michellerogers at bellsouth.net>
To: <EUforum at topica.com>; <EUforum at topica.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Visual Euphoria wont run ATT:Matt Lewis
>
>
> You guys aren't understanding my question........
> I meant, what would be the reason for posting closed source, as opposed to
open source. The reasons that both you and ck gave do not say why it should
be closed source and not open.
>
So that other people wont rip off your ideas.
A: Because its very difficult to read and understand
Q: Why?
A: Top Posting
Q: What's REALLY annoying in email and newsgroups?
> Michelle
>
> > From: spent memory <spent.memory at gmail.com>
> > Date: 2004/09/23 Thu PM 12:51:33 EDT
> > To: EUforum at topica.com
> > Subject: Re: Re: Visual Euphoria wont run ATT:Matt Lewis
> >
> >
> > to benefit the users , in my case they obtain a tool for writing
euphoria code
> > very quickly, a standard window in about 10 seconds if your slow!!
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 12:45:53 -0400, michellerogers at bellsouth.net
> > <michellerogers at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > What would be the reason for contributing closed source to the
archieves?
> > >
> > > Michelle
> > >
> > >
> > > > From: cklester <guest at RapidEuphoria.com>
> > > > Date: 2004/09/23 Thu PM 12:43:44 EDT
> > > > To: EUforum at topica.com
> > > > Subject: Re: Re: Visual Euphoria wont run ATT:Matt Lewis
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > posted by: cklester <cklester at yahoo.com>
> > > >
> > > > <michellerogers at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I thought the archieves existed for people to learn how to use
Euphoria.
> > > >
> > > > Well, I hope you know better, now. :)
> > > >
> > > > If not, it exists to feature code and programs written in Euphoria.
Yes,
> > > > you can learn better from the open source code... but you can also
make
> > > > use of closed-source programs.
> > > >
> > > > > I know that's what I used it for.
> > > >
> > > > And others use it for other reasons. I get code from the archives
even
> > > > today, but I'm certainly not using all of it to learn Euphoria.
> > > >
> > > > > And, if the programs hadn't been open source (the ones that I
> > > > > used), I wouldn't be still using Euphoria today.
> > > >
> > > > There will always be open-source contributions. That shouldn't
hinder
> > > > those who want to contribute closed-source shareware.
> > > >
> > > > Even Euphoria itself is closed-source and shareware (by which I
mean,
> > > > not fully functional without a registration or fee)!!!
> > > >
> > > > -=ck
> > > > "Programming in a state of EUPHORIA."
> > > > http://www.cklester.com/euphoria/
> > > >
> > > >
>
>
>
4. Re: Re: Visual Euphoria wont run
- Posted by "Kat" <gertie at visionsix.com>
Sep 23, 2004
-
Last edited Sep 24, 2004
On 23 Sep 2004, at 14:57, William Heimbigner wrote:
> A: Because its very difficult to read and understand
> Q: Why?
> A: Top Posting
> Q: What's REALLY annoying in email and newsgroups?
?anywhere it use i Can .elsewhere topic that up bringing for flamed been
have i tho even, post that like really I
Kat
brought to you by revtok()
5. Re: Re: Visual Euphoria wont run
- Posted by irv mullins <irvm at ellijay.com>
Sep 23, 2004
-
Last edited Sep 24, 2004
William Heimbigner wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <michellerogers at bellsouth.net>
> > You guys aren't understanding my question........
> > I meant, what would be the reason for posting closed source, as opposed to
> open source. The reasons that both you and ck gave do not say why it should
> be closed source and not open.
> >
> So that other people wont rip off your ideas.
That is one reason.
It has a couple of flaws: one is that you can't hide most of your
"ideas" - many people can run the program and see what it does, just
not "how" it does what it does. They can then come up with their own
methods for producing identical results, all without seeing any of
your code.
The second flaw is that most of us tend to think that our ideas are
somehow "new" or "unique", and they mostly aren't. You can waste a
lot of time trying to keep people from seeing some code which they
could easily find in any college-level programming book. The number
of new and creative algorithms discovered tends to be one every few
years - not everytime you write a program.
Irv
6. Re: Visual Euphoria wont run
- Posted by Pete Lomax <petelomax at blueyonder.co.uk>
Sep 23, 2004
-
Last edited Sep 24, 2004
On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 15:51:43 -0500, Kat <gertie at visionsix.com> wrote:
>> A: Because its very difficult to read and understand
>> Q: Why?
>> A: Top Posting
>> Q: What's REALLY annoying in email and newsgroups?
>
>
>?anywhere it use i Can .elsewhere topic that up bringing for flamed been
>have i tho even, post that like really I
>
No matter how right you are, someone will comment.
Sometimes, indeed, it is not a flame, but just a comment ;-((...
Take them on the chin, they are not personal, just newbies.
Seems like everyone has to be taught this rule. Longhand.
But unless we bang on and on and on and on about it, nothing will ever
be readable ever again. The curse of no longer being a newbie, I guess
I think there have been (at least) four posts already this month I
would have corrected someone on, if only I had not been beaten to it.
>Kat
>brought to you by revtok()
You caught me good there, I stared at it wondering what the heck
kotrev() was, for a moment 
)
Pete
PS Ick, just realised maybe I mis-read/got the "elsewhere", so sue me!
PPS but I typed, so I post )
PPPS Yes, I know Kat will *LOVE* this post, *NOT*, tee-hee )
7. Re: Visual Euphoria wont run
I wrote
>kotrev() was, for a moment )
or even kotver()
8. Re: Re: Visual Euphoria wont run
But, it's like someone else said....people using the contributions page are
using the Euphoria programming language, as well.....So, if they want to
"rip off your ideas", they don't _need_ to see your source code to do it.
All they have to do is run your program to see what it does and then code it
themselves.
Michelle Rogers
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Heimbigner" <icxcnika at hotpop.com>
To: <EUforum at topica.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 3:57 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Visual Euphoria wont run
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <michellerogers at bellsouth.net>
> To: <EUforum at topica.com>; <EUforum at topica.com>
> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 2:21 PM
> Subject: Re: Re: Visual Euphoria wont run ATT:Matt Lewis
>
>
> > You guys aren't understanding my question........
> > I meant, what would be the reason for posting closed source, as opposed
to
> open source. The reasons that both you and ck gave do not say why it
should
> be closed source and not open.
> >
> So that other people wont rip off your ideas.
>
> A: Because its very difficult to read and understand
> Q: Why?
> A: Top Posting
> Q: What's REALLY annoying in email and newsgroups?
>
>
> > Michelle
> >
> > > From: spent memory <spent.memory at gmail.com>
> > > Date: 2004/09/23 Thu PM 12:51:33 EDT
> > > To: EUforum at topica.com
> > > Subject: Re: Re: Visual Euphoria wont run ATT:Matt Lewis
> > >
> > >
> > > to benefit the users , in my case they obtain a tool for writing
> euphoria code
> > > very quickly, a standard window in about 10 seconds if your slow!!
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 12:45:53 -0400, michellerogers at bellsouth.net
> > > <michellerogers at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > What would be the reason for contributing closed source to the
> archieves?
> > > >
> > > > Michelle
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > From: cklester <guest at RapidEuphoria.com>
> > > > > Date: 2004/09/23 Thu PM 12:43:44 EDT
> > > > > To: EUforum at topica.com
> > > > > Subject: Re: Re: Visual Euphoria wont run ATT:Matt Lewis
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > posted by: cklester <cklester at yahoo.com>
> > > > >
> > > > > <michellerogers at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I thought the archieves existed for people to learn how to use
> Euphoria.
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, I hope you know better, now. :)
> > > > >
> > > > > If not, it exists to feature code and programs written in
Euphoria.
> Yes,
> > > > > you can learn better from the open source code... but you can also
> make
> > > > > use of closed-source programs.
> > > > >
> > > > > > I know that's what I used it for.
> > > > >
> > > > > And others use it for other reasons. I get code from the archives
> even
> > > > > today, but I'm certainly not using all of it to learn Euphoria.
> > > > >
> > > > > > And, if the programs hadn't been open source (the ones that I
> > > > > > used), I wouldn't be still using Euphoria today.
> > > > >
> > > > > There will always be open-source contributions. That shouldn't
> hinder
> > > > > those who want to contribute closed-source shareware.
> > > > >
> > > > > Even Euphoria itself is closed-source and shareware (by which I
> mean,
> > > > > not fully functional without a registration or fee)!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > -=ck
> > > > > "Programming in a state of EUPHORIA."
> > > > > http://www.cklester.com/euphoria/
> > > > >
> > > > >
>
>
>
9. Re: Visual Euphoria wont run
On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 21:19:18 -0400, Michelle Rogers
<michellerogers at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>But, it's like someone else said....people using the contributions page are
>using the Euphoria programming language, as well.....So, if they want to
>"rip off your ideas", they don't _need_ to see your source code to do it.
>All they have to do is run your program to see what it does and then code it
>themselves.
Well, rather than waste your time on this discussion, have you tried
the Opera browser? I think it is really nice, much better than IE, but
it tends to crash when loading for me quite alot (lovely and stable
*if* it loads, but I think I have a config problem). Thing is, it's
closed source, what I'd really like is a Euphoria version so I can
track the bugs down. I have some friends coming round tomorrow so if
you could post a working version by say 6:45pm (gmt) that would be
great.
Thanks,
Pete
10. Re: Visual Euphoria wont run
It doesn't matter how long it takes.....if someone _wants_ to "rip off your
idea", they can do it, no matter if it's open or closed source. That's why
laws exist though. It's sort of like saying, "I'm going to write a book,
but I'm afraid that people will "rip off my idea", so I'm going to write the
entire book in a secret code." Although, here's the difference. You can't
copyright an "idea". So, if you use closed source, and someone does the
same thing, but using their own code, I _COULD_ be wrong, but my years of
experience as a legal secretary makes me think they wouldn't have a single
legal problem with doing that. On the other hand, if they were to use your
CODE that you had put out as open source, then they could be successfully
sued.
And, going back to the "Opera" example: Just like someone mentioned
earlier..._IF_ I were interested in doing that....I'd be much more likely
to "rip off their idea" because I couldn't see the source code, than I would
if I _could_ see it. (I don't know how Opera got on the Euphoria achieves,
but heh..you started it, so I'll go with it...because remember this whole
discussion is about things on the achieves being open or closed source..but
anyway). If Opera were on the euphoria achieves with closed source and I
really really liked how it worked, except a few things needed
fixing...........(IF I were that interested in it, as you appear to
be).....then I'd simply recreate the whole thing with the changes that I
think would make it better..and I'd call it something different, since I had
created the new code from scratch. However, if it were in the achieves as
open source, I'd simply make the modifications to the source that already
existed. Either, I'd only use it myself in the modified version..OR I'd
send it back to the creator, as a suggestion.
Michelle Rogers
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pete Lomax" <petelomax at blueyonder.co.uk>
To: <EUforum at topica.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 10:08 PM
Subject: Re: Visual Euphoria wont run
>
>
> On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 21:19:18 -0400, Michelle Rogers
> <michellerogers at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> >But, it's like someone else said....people using the contributions page
are
> >using the Euphoria programming language, as well.....So, if they want to
> >"rip off your ideas", they don't _need_ to see your source code to do it.
> >All they have to do is run your program to see what it does and then code
it
> >themselves.
>
> Well, rather than waste your time on this discussion, have you tried
> the Opera browser? I think it is really nice, much better than IE, but
> it tends to crash when loading for me quite alot (lovely and stable
> *if* it loads, but I think I have a config problem). Thing is, it's
> closed source, what I'd really like is a Euphoria version so I can
> track the bugs down. I have some friends coming round tomorrow so if
> you could post a working version by say 6:45pm (gmt) that would be
> great.
>
> Thanks,
> Pete
>
>
>
>
11. Re: Re: Visual Euphoria wont run
Michelle Rogers wrote:
> But, it's like someone else said....people using the contributions page are
> using the Euphoria programming language, as well.....So, if they want to
> "rip off your ideas", they don't _need_ to see your source code to do it.
> All they have to do is run your program to see what it does and then code it
> themselves.
True. But there are better ways to do certain things than other ways. What
if the original program runs at 100 frames per second, but your clone can
only get 5 frames per second? Then you see the value of the original and
maybe you get enticed to purchase the source.
-=ck
"Programming in a state of EUPHORIA."
http://www.cklester.com/euphoria/
12. Re: Visual Euphoria wont run
Pete Lomax wrote:
>
> Well, rather than waste your time on this discussion, have you tried
> the Opera browser? I think it is really nice, much better than IE, but
> it tends to crash when loading for me quite alot (lovely and stable
> *if* it loads, but I think I have a config problem). Thing is, it's
> closed source...
Hey, are the Mozilla browsers (including Firefox) open source?
-=ck
"Programming in a state of EUPHORIA."
http://www.cklester.com/euphoria/
13. Re: Visual Euphoria wont run
Michelle Rogers wrote:
>
> be).....then I'd simply recreate the whole thing with the changes that I
> think would make it better..
The problem with that idea is that if somebody has invented the wheel, and
you only want to change the hubcaps, it would be silly of you to recreate
the entire car. For efficiency's sake, you'd probably buy or somehow
obtain the source. On a BIG project, I mean. On something simple, then of
course you could whip up a clone pretty easily.
-=ck
"Programming in a state of EUPHORIA."
http://www.cklester.com/euphoria/
