1. OT: How far we have come
Looking thru some old magazine clippings, I found this ad (circa 1982)
--
8080 & Z 80 Users
Natural Language is here!
Can your computer read and solve this problem by itself?
"On their vacation, Tom and Dick visited a farm. While there, they
noticed a pen containing chickens and pigs. Tom said there were 3 times
as many chickens as pigs. Dick said he counted 100 legs in the pen.
How many chickens were in the pen?"
With NLOS/1, it can!
NLOS/1 is a cassette-based system requiring a minimum of 12k, a
serial I/O board and any cassette interface. The system comes with
a fully documented seet of assembly language source listings. The cost
is only $200.
Stop programming your computer, educate it!
Order today!
CYBERMATE
Nazareth, PA
--
Assuming this was not an outright scam (with the answer to this one
question pre-programmed) do you think that could have been done in
< 12k bytes 20 years ago? Or, for that matter, can it be done in 2004?
Irv
2. Re: OT: How far we have come
On 1 May 2004, at 8:28, irv mullins wrote:
Looking thru some old magazine clippings, I found this ad (circa 1982)
--
8080 & Z 80 Users
Natural Language is here!
Can your computer read and solve this problem by itself?
"On their vacation, Tom and Dick visited a farm. While there, they
noticed a pen containing chickens and pigs. Tom said there were 3 times
as many chickens as pigs. Dick said he counted 100 legs in the pen.
How many chickens were in the pen?"
With NLOS/1, it can!
NLOS/1 is a cassette-based system requiring a minimum of 12k, a
serial I/O board and any cassette interface. The system comes with
a fully documented seet of assembly language source listings. The cost
is only $200.
Stop programming your computer, educate it!
Order today!
CYBERMATE
Nazareth, PA
--
Assuming this was not an outright scam (with the answer to this one
question pre-programmed) do you think that could have been done in
< 12k bytes 20 years ago? Or, for that matter, can it be done in 2004?
No.
In 2004, everyone is going it alone. I know of several people
duplicating work
in did in the early 90's, rather than work with me. Hi! I'm 47 years old.
Besides, they figure by being the first, they can have all the riches
of making
an Ai all to themselves. Humans don't listen to each other, what makes
you
think they will listen to a machine?
Kat
3. Re: OT: How far we have come
It depends how far prepared the input for a machine has to be. The best
would be one could simply speak to the machine like to a more or less
intelligent human beeing.
I like to solve this without any machine:
Let C and P be the number of chickens and pigs.
The sum of legs will be: 2*C + 4*P = 100 .
The number of C is 3*P, C = 3*P, or: C - 3*P = 0 .
This may be written as a matrix equation:
| 2 4 | | C | | 100 |
| | * | | = | |
| 1 -3 | | P | | 0 | .
By multiplying this from left with the inverse matrix it follows:
| C | | 3 4 | | 100 | | 30 |
| | = 0.1*| | * | | = | |
| P | | 1 -2 | | 0 | | 10 | ,
so we find 30 chickens and 10 pigs.
This is only one way to solve it. Do you need a machine to invert
the matrix?
Have a nice day, Rolf
irv mullins wrote:
On 1 May 2004, at 8:28, irv mullins wrote:
Looking thru some old magazine clippings, I found this ad (circa 1982)
--
8080 & Z 80 Users
Natural Language is here!
Can your computer read and solve this problem by itself?
"On their vacation, Tom and Dick visited a farm. While there, they
noticed a pen containing chickens and pigs. Tom said there were 3 times
as many chickens as pigs. Dick said he counted 100 legs in the pen.
How many chickens were in the pen?"
With NLOS/1, it can!
NLOS/1 is a cassette-based system requiring a minimum of 12k, a
serial I/O board and any cassette interface. The system comes with
a fully documented seet of assembly language source listings. The cost
is only $200.
Stop programming your computer, educate it!
Order today!
CYBERMATE
Nazareth, PA
--
Assuming this was not an outright scam (with the answer to this one
question pre-programmed) do you think that could have been done in
< 12k bytes 20 years ago? Or, for that matter, can it be done in 2004?
No.
In 2004, everyone is going it alone. I know of several people
duplicating work
in did in the early 90's, rather than work with me. Hi! I'm 47 years old.
Besides, they figure by being the first, they can have all the riches
of making
an Ai all to themselves. Humans don't listen to each other, what makes
you
think they will listen to a machine?
Kat
4. Re: OT: How far we have come
Rolf Schroeder wrote:
>
>
> It depends how far prepared the input for a machine has to be. The best
> would be one could simply speak to the machine like to a more or less
> intelligent human beeing.
That, of course, is the point.
What computer (in 1981 or in 2004) can parse that text and derive a
method for determining the answer? Remember, the ad said: "Can your
computer read and solve this problem *by itself*".
First of all, where would the computer obtain the info that a chicken has
two legs, and a pig four?
Further, I wonder what would have happened if you changed "chickens" to
"ducks" or "geese". Would it have then been unable to solve the problem?
Irv
5. Re: OT: How far we have come
On 2 May 2004, at 10:36, irv mullins wrote:
>
>
> posted by: irv mullins <irvm at ellijay.com>
>
> Rolf Schroeder wrote:
> >
> >
> > It depends how far prepared the input for a machine has to be. The best
> > would be one could simply speak to the machine like to a more or less
> > intelligent human beeing.
>
> That, of course, is the point.
> What computer (in 1981 or in 2004) can parse that text and derive a
> method for determining the answer? Remember, the ad said: "Can your
> computer read and solve this problem *by itself*".
>
> First of all, where would the computer obtain the info that a chicken has
> two legs, and a pig four?
>
> Further, I wonder what would have happened if you changed "chickens" to
> "ducks" or "geese". Would it have then been unable to solve the problem?
I wonder if the lights are coming on yet as to why a large database and
multiple programmers and computers are needed.
Kat
6. Re: OT: How far we have come
Kat wrote:
>
> On 2 May 2004, at 10:36, irv mullins wrote:
>
> > First of all, where would the computer obtain the info that a chicken has
> > two legs, and a pig four?
> >
> > Further, I wonder what would have happened if you changed "chickens" to
> > "ducks" or "geese". Would it have then been unable to solve the problem?
>
> I wonder if the lights are coming on yet as to why a large database and
> multiple programmers and computers are needed.
>
> Kat
When I ask Google (which has a very large database, many programmners and
perhaps as many as 80,000 computers) "how many legs does a duck have?",
I get only one answer, and it's in chinese! ;)
That's no help. perhaps if I "ask Jeeves"....
How many legs does a Duck have?
How many legs does a Duck have? Answer. Wrong. Correct...
From:www.mtllive.com/MS2/labs/Demo1.html
EPICURIOUS: RECIPE: RED-WINE-BRAISED DUCK LEGS WITH ROASTED PEARS
Watch how to make beurre ... duck legs, reserving fat for the sautéed kale. In a
large bowl marinate duck ... from Chicago on 11/16/00 I have m...
From:www.epicurious.com/db/recipes/recipesH/8/10898.html
scrit's Journal
And then Question: How many legs does a duck have? Answer: 3, if he's a 3-legged
duck. In a recent poll, 100% of Ivy league students got this...
From:www.woohu.com/~scrit/friends/
We're not there yet, I guess.
Irv
7. Re: OT: How far we have come
I have created a program that can "solve" this problem,
probably very similar to the one that was advertised.
It will even work if you changed "chickens" to "ducks" or "geese"!
NOTE: if you don't look at the code, just copy it, it will seem amazing.
include get.e
include misc.e
sequence question
puts(1,"Enter the question: ")
question=gets(0)
puts(1,"\n\nCalculating")
for none=1 to 5 do
sleep(1)
puts(1,".")
end for
puts(1,"\n\nThe answer is: 10")
if wait_key() then end if
irv mullins wrote:
>
>
> Kat wrote:
> >
> > On 2 May 2004, at 10:36, irv mullins wrote:
> >
> > > First of all, where would the computer obtain the info that a chicken has
> > > two legs, and a pig four?
> > >
> > > Further, I wonder what would have happened if you changed "chickens" to
> > > "ducks" or "geese". Would it have then been unable to solve the problem?
> >
> > I wonder if the lights are coming on yet as to why a large database and
> > multiple programmers and computers are needed.
> >
> > Kat
>
> When I ask Google (which has a very large database, many programmners and
> perhaps as many as 80,000 computers) "how many legs does a duck have?",
> I get only one answer, and it's in chinese! ;)
>
> That's no help. perhaps if I "ask Jeeves"....
>
> How many legs does a Duck have?
> How many legs does a Duck have? Answer. Wrong. Correct...
> From:www.mtllive.com/MS2/labs/Demo1.html
>
> EPICURIOUS: RECIPE: RED-WINE-BRAISED DUCK LEGS WITH ROASTED PEARS
> Watch how to make beurre ... duck legs, reserving fat for the sautéed kale. In
> a
> large bowl marinate duck ... from Chicago on 11/16/00 I have m...
> From:www.epicurious.com/db/recipes/recipesH/8/10898.html
>
> scrit's Journal
> And then Question: How many legs does a duck have? Answer: 3, if he's a
> 3-legged
> duck. In a recent poll, 100% of Ivy league students got this...
> From:www.woohu.com/~scrit/friends/
>
> We're not there yet, I guess.
> Irv
>
8. Re: OT: How far we have come
OOPS! here is the corrected one!
(read the question wrong...)
I have created a program that can "solve" this problem,
probably very similar to the one that was advertised.
It will even work if you changed "chickens" to "ducks" or "geese"!
NOTE: if you don't look at the code, just copy it, it will seem amazing.
include get.e
include misc.e
sequence question
puts(1,"Enter the question: ")
question=gets(0)
puts(1,"\n\nCalculating")
for none=1 to 5 do
sleep(1)
puts(1,".")
end for
puts(1,"\n\nThe answer is: 10")
if wait_key() then end if
CoJaBo wrote:
>
>
> I have created a program that can "solve" this problem,
> probably very similar to the one that was advertised.
> It will even work if you changed "chickens" to "ducks" or "geese"!
>
> NOTE: if you don't look at the code, just copy it, it will seem amazing.
>
>
> <font color="#0000FF">include </font><font color="#330033">get.e</font>
> <font color="#0000FF">include </font><font color="#330033">misc.e</font>
> <font color="#330033"></font>
> <font color="#FF00FF">sequence </font><font color="#330033">question</font>
> <font color="#FF00FF">puts</font><font color="#330033">(1,</font><font
> color="#00A033">"Enter the question: "</font><font color="#330033">)</font>
> <font color="#330033">question=</font><font color="#FF00FF">gets</font><font
> color="#330033">(0)</font>
> <font color="#330033"></font>
> <font color="#FF00FF">puts</font><font color="#330033">(1,</font><font
> color="#00A033">"\n\nCalculating"</font><font color="#330033">)</font>
> <font color="#0000FF">for </font><font color="#330033">none=1 </font><font
> color="#0000FF">to </font><font color="#330033">5 </font><font
> color="#0000FF">do</font>
> <font color="#330033"> sleep(1)</font>
> <font color="#FF00FF"> puts</font><font color="#330033">(1,</font><font
> color="#00A033">"."</font><font color="#330033">)</font>
> <font color="#0000FF">end for</font>
> <font color="#330033"></font>
> <font color="#FF00FF">puts</font><font color="#330033">(1,</font><font
> color="#00A033">"\n\nThe answer is: 10"</font><font color="#330033">)</font>
> <font color="#0000FF">if </font><font color="#330033">wait_key() </font><font
> color="#0000FF">then end if</font>
>
>
> irv mullins wrote:
> >
> >
> > Kat wrote:
> > >
> > > On 2 May 2004, at 10:36, irv mullins wrote:
> > >
> > > > First of all, where would the computer obtain the info that a chicken
> > > > has
> > > > two legs, and a pig four?
> > > >
> > > > Further, I wonder what would have happened if you changed "chickens" to
> > > > "ducks" or "geese". Would it have then been unable to solve the problem?
> > >
> > > I wonder if the lights are coming on yet as to why a large database and
> > > multiple programmers and computers are needed.
> > >
> > > Kat
> >
> > When I ask Google (which has a very large database, many programmners and
> > perhaps as many as 80,000 computers) "how many legs does a duck have?",
> > I get only one answer, and it's in chinese! ;)
> >
> > That's no help. perhaps if I "ask Jeeves"....
> >
> > How many legs does a Duck have?
> > How many legs does a Duck have? Answer. Wrong. Correct...
> > From:www.mtllive.com/MS2/labs/Demo1.html
> >
> > EPICURIOUS: RECIPE: RED-WINE-BRAISED DUCK LEGS WITH ROASTED PEARS
> > Watch how to make beurre ... duck legs, reserving fat for the sautéed kale.
> > In
> a
> > large bowl marinate duck ... from Chicago on 11/16/00 I have m...
> > From:www.epicurious.com/db/recipes/recipesH/8/10898.html
> >
> > scrit's Journal
> > And then Question: How many legs does a duck have? Answer: 3, if he's a
> > 3-legged
> > duck. In a recent poll, 100% of Ivy league students got this...
> > From:www.woohu.com/~scrit/friends/
> >
> > We're not there yet, I guess.
> > Irv
> >
>
9. Re: OT: How far we have come
OOPS AGAIN!!! here is the corrected one!(really!)
I have created a program that can "solve" this problem,
probably very similar to the one that was advertised.
It will even work if you changed "chickens" to "ducks" or "geese"!
NOTE: if you don't look at the code, just copy it, it will seem amazing.
include get.e
include misc.e
sequence question
puts(1,"Enter the question: ")
question=gets(0)
puts(1,"\n\nCalculating")
for none=1 to 5 do
sleep(1)
puts(1,".")
end for
puts(1,"\n\nThe answer is: 30")
if wait_key() then end if
CoJaBo wrote:
>
>
> OOPS! here is the corrected one!
> (read the question wrong...)
>
> I have created a program that can "solve" this problem,
> probably very similar to the one that was advertised.
> It will even work if you changed "chickens" to "ducks" or "geese"!
>
> NOTE: if you don't look at the code, just copy it, it will seem amazing.
>
>
> <font color="#0000FF">include </font><font color="#330033">get.e</font>
> <font color="#0000FF">include </font><font color="#330033">misc.e</font>
> <font color="#330033"></font>
> <font color="#FF00FF">sequence </font><font color="#330033">question</font>
> <font color="#FF00FF">puts</font><font color="#330033">(1,</font><font
> color="#00A033">"Enter the question: "</font><font color="#330033">)</font>
> <font color="#330033">question=</font><font color="#FF00FF">gets</font><font
> color="#330033">(0)</font>
> <font color="#330033"></font>
> <font color="#FF00FF">puts</font><font color="#330033">(1,</font><font
> color="#00A033">"\n\nCalculating"</font><font color="#330033">)</font>
> <font color="#0000FF">for </font><font color="#330033">none=1 </font><font
> color="#0000FF">to </font><font color="#330033">5 </font><font
> color="#0000FF">do</font>
> <font color="#330033"> sleep(1)</font>
> <font color="#FF00FF"> puts</font><font color="#330033">(1,</font><font
> color="#00A033">"."</font><font color="#330033">)</font>
> <font color="#0000FF">end for</font>
> <font color="#330033"></font>
> <font color="#FF00FF">puts</font><font color="#330033">(1,</font><font
> color="#00A033">"\n\nThe answer is: 10"</font><font color="#330033">)</font>
> <font color="#0000FF">if </font><font color="#330033">wait_key() </font><font
> color="#0000FF">then end if</font>
>
>
> CoJaBo wrote:
> >
> >
> > I have created a program that can "solve" this problem,
> > probably very similar to the one that was advertised.
> > It will even work if you changed "chickens" to "ducks" or "geese"!
> >
> > NOTE: if you don't look at the code, just copy it, it will seem amazing.
> >
> >
> > <font color="#0000FF">include </font><font color="#330033">get.e</font>
> > <font color="#0000FF">include </font><font color="#330033">misc.e</font>
> > <font color="#330033"></font>
> > <font color="#FF00FF">sequence </font><font color="#330033">question</font>
> > <font color="#FF00FF">puts</font><font color="#330033">(1,</font><font
> > color="#00A033">"Enter
> the question: "</font><font color="#330033">)</font>
> > <font color="#330033">question=</font><font color="#FF00FF">gets</font><font
> > color="#330033">(0)</font>
> > <font color="#330033"></font>
> > <font color="#FF00FF">puts</font><font color="#330033">(1,</font><font
> > color="#00A033">"\n\nCalculating"</font><font
> color="#330033">)</font>
> > <font color="#0000FF">for </font><font color="#330033">none=1 </font><font
> > color="#0000FF">to
> </font><font color="#330033">5 </font><font color="#0000FF">do</font>
> > <font color="#330033"> sleep(1)</font>
> > <font color="#FF00FF"> puts</font><font color="#330033">(1,</font><font
> > color="#00A033">"."</font><font
> color="#330033">)</font>
> > <font color="#0000FF">end for</font>
> > <font color="#330033"></font>
> > <font color="#FF00FF">puts</font><font color="#330033">(1,</font><font
> > color="#00A033">"\n\nThe
> answer is: 10"</font><font color="#330033">)</font>
> > <font color="#0000FF">if </font><font color="#330033">wait_key()
> > </font><font color="#0000FF">then
> end if</font>
> >
> >
> > irv mullins wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Kat wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On 2 May 2004, at 10:36, irv mullins wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > First of all, where would the computer obtain the info that a chicken
> > > > > has
>
> > > > > two legs, and a pig four?
> > > > >
> > > > > Further, I wonder what would have happened if you changed "chickens"
> > > > > to
> > > > > "ducks" or "geese". Would it have then been unable to solve the
> > > > > problem?
> > > >
> > > > I wonder if the lights are coming on yet as to why a large database and
> > > > multiple programmers and computers are needed.
> > > >
> > > > Kat
> > >
> > > When I ask Google (which has a very large database, many programmners and
> > > perhaps as many as 80,000 computers) "how many legs does a duck have?",
> > > I get only one answer, and it's in chinese! ;)
> > >
> > > That's no help. perhaps if I "ask Jeeves"....
> > >
> > > How many legs does a Duck have?
> > > How many legs does a Duck have? Answer. Wrong. Correct...
> > > From:www.mtllive.com/MS2/labs/Demo1.html
> > >
> > > EPICURIOUS: RECIPE: RED-WINE-BRAISED DUCK LEGS WITH ROASTED PEARS
> > > Watch how to make beurre ... duck legs, reserving fat for the sautéed
> > > kale. In
> > a
> > > large bowl marinate duck ... from Chicago on 11/16/00 I have m...
> > > From:www.epicurious.com/db/recipes/recipesH/8/10898.html
<snip>
10. Re: OT: How far we have come
CoJaBo wrote:
>
>
> I have created a program that can "solve" this problem,
> probably very similar to the one that was advertised.
> It will even work if you changed "chickens" to "ducks" or "geese"!
>
> NOTE: if you don't look at the code, just copy it, it will seem amazing.
It answers the question "how many legs does a duck have?" correctly.
In binary.
Which, I guess, is what a computer is supposed to do.
Irv
11. Re: OT: How far we have come
On 2 May 2004, at 13:24, irv mullins wrote:
>=20
>=20
> posted by: irv mullins <irvm at ellijay.com>
>=20
> Kat wrote:
> >=20
> > On 2 May 2004, at 10:36, irv mullins wrote:
> >=20
> > > First of all, where would the computer obtain the info that a chicken=
has
> > > two legs, and a pig four?=20
> > >=20
> > > Further, I wonder what would have happened if you changed "chickens" =
to
> > > "ducks" or "geese". Would it have then been unable to solve the probl=
em?
> >=20
> > I wonder if the lights are coming on yet as to why a large database and=
=20
> > multiple programmers and computers are needed.=20
> >=20
> > Kat
>=20
> When I ask Google (which has a very large database, many programmners and=
=20
> perhaps as many as 80,000 computers) "how many legs does a duck have?",=
=20
> I get only one answer, and it's in chinese! ;)
>=20
> That's no help. perhaps if I "ask Jeeves"....
>=20
> How many legs does a Duck have?
> How many legs does a Duck have? Answer. Wrong. Correct...
> From:www.mtllive.com/MS2/labs/Demo1.html
>=20
> EPICURIOUS: RECIPE: RED-WINE-BRAISED DUCK LEGS WITH ROASTED PEARS
> Watch how to make beurre ... duck legs, reserving fat for the saut=E9ed k=
ale. In a
> large bowl marinate duck ... from Chicago on 11/16/00 I have m...
> From:www.epicurious.com/db/recipes/recipesH/8/10898.html
>=20
> scrit's Journal
> And then Question: How many legs does a duck have? Answer: 3, if he's a 3=
-legged
> duck. In a recent poll, 100% of Ivy league students got this...
> From:www.woohu.com/~scrit/friends/
>=20
> We're not there yet, I guess.
Since i have deleted most of Tiggr's Ai code, because no one is interested,=
i did this=20
manually:
duck=20
duck =0F
ducks duckling=0F
1. 01 noun,sing,plur set+animal any of a large number of relatively small w=
aterfowl=20
with a flat bill, short neck and legs, and webbed feet =0F
waterfowl=20
wa-ter-fowl =0F
waterfowls,waterfowl=0F
@ 1. 01 noun,sing a water bird; esp., any of a family (Anatidae, order=20
Anseriformes), of birds consisting of ducks, geese, and swans =0F
bird=20
bird =0F
birds=0F
1. 01 noun,sing set+animal,animal any of a class (Aves) of warmblooded, two=
-
legged, egg-laying vertebrates with feathers and wings =0F
So i guess the answer is 2. And that is from a file i wrote out before 1994=
. What have=20
i done since? deleted more working code.
Kat
12. Re: OT: How far we have come
Not interested !?! Surely you jest!
>>> gertie at visionsix.com 05/02/04 7:13 PM >>>
Since i have deleted most of Tiggr's Ai code, because no one is
interested,=
13. Re: OT: How far we have come
On 2 May 2004, at 20:58, Mike Sabal wrote:
>
>
> Not interested !?! Surely you jest!
Nope, not jesting. I see no point in pursuing Ai further. Expert systems might
have a commercial success, but not much beyond second-guessing
humans, and not really believed in any subject when it comes to the bottom
line. Answering questions is just data retrieval, and is a much smaller
problem area. But still, if the predominate questions people pose are the
lowest common denominators: porn, evangelistic religions, and xenophobic
tribalism,,, then why would they listen to a computer for anything important?
Kat
>
> >>> gertie at visionsix.com 05/02/04 7:13 PM >>>
> Since i have deleted most of Tiggr's Ai code, because no one is
> interested,=
>
>
>
>
14. Re: OT: How far we have come
On 2 May 2004, at 21:34, Kat wrote:
>
>
> On 2 May 2004, at 20:58, Mike Sabal wrote:
>
> >
> > Not interested !?! Surely you jest!
>
> Nope, not jesting. I see no point in pursuing Ai further. Expert systems might
> have a commercial success, but not much beyond second-guessing humans, and not
> really believed in any subject when it comes to the bottom line. Answering
> questions is just data retrieval, and is a much smaller problem area. But
> still,
> if the predominate questions people pose are the lowest common denominators:
> porn, evangelistic religions, and xenophobic tribalism,,, then why would they
> listen to a computer for anything important?
It's been a while, and no one has a comeback.. no feedback? I'm correct, no
questions asked? WOW!
Now if only i could get "goto" added to Eu!
Kat
> Kat
>
>
> > >>> gertie at visionsix.com 05/02/04 7:13 PM >>>
> > Since i have deleted most of Tiggr's Ai code, because no one is
> > interested,=
> >
> >
>
>
>
15. Re: OT: How far we have come
Kat wrote:
>
> On 2 May 2004, at 21:34, Kat wrote:
> >
> > Nope, not jesting. I see no point in pursuing Ai further. Expert systems
> > might
> > have a commercial success, but not much beyond second-guessing humans, and
> > not
> > really believed in any subject when it comes to the bottom line. Answering
> > questions is just data retrieval, and is a much smaller problem area. But
> > still,
> > if the predominate questions people pose are the lowest common denominators:
> > porn, evangelistic religions, and xenophobic tribalism,,, then why would
> > they
> > listen to a computer for anything important?
>
> It's been a while, and no one has a comeback.. no feedback? I'm correct, no
> questions asked? WOW!
I think you are correct. I think that intelligence is not so much a function
of what a person (or a computer, if you will) knows, but how aware they are of
what
they don't know. And I think that 'awareness' will come to computers long
after it comes to humans.
Irv
16. Re: OT: How far we have come
Kat wrote:
> > Nope, not jesting. I see no point in pursuing Ai further. Expert systems
> > might
> > have a commercial success, but not much beyond second-guessing humans, and
> > not
> > really believed in any subject when it comes to the bottom line. Answering
> > questions is just data retrieval, and is a much smaller problem area. But
> > still,
> > if the predominate questions people pose are the lowest common denominators:
> > porn, evangelistic religions, and xenophobic tribalism,,, then why would
> > they
> > listen to a computer for anything important?
>
Okay, I'll bite.
Why did you lump "evangelistic religions" in the same "lowest common
denominator" category as porn?
Jonas
17. Re: OT: How far we have come
On 3 May 2004, at 10:07, Jonas Temple wrote:
>
>
> posted by: Jonas Temple <jtemple at yhti.net>
>
> Kat wrote:
> > > Nope, not jesting. I see no point in pursuing Ai further. Expert systems
> > > might have a commercial success, but not much beyond second-guessing
> > > humans,
> > > and not really believed in any subject when it comes to the bottom line.
> > > Answering questions is just data retrieval, and is a much smaller problem
> > > area. But still, if the predominate questions people pose are the lowest
> > > common denominators: porn, evangelistic religions, and xenophobic
> > > tribalism,,, then why would they listen to a computer for anything
> > > important?
> >
>
> Okay, I'll bite.
>
> Why did you lump "evangelistic religions" in the same "lowest common
> denominator" category as porn?
Hmm, i sent an email in reply, but it isn't posting, i don't know why. Ask
RobC ?
Kat
18. Re: OT: How far we have come
> Hmm, i sent an email in reply, but it isn't posting, i don't know why. Ask
> RobC ?
>
> Kat
Probably because it's WAY off topic. You could email me privately?
Jonas
19. Re: OT: How far we have come
Jonas Temple wrote:
>
>
> Kat wrote:
> > > Nope, not jesting. I see no point in pursuing Ai further. Expert systems
> > > might
> > > have a commercial success, but not much beyond second-guessing humans, and
> > > not
> > > really believed in any subject when it comes to the bottom line. Answering
> > > questions is just data retrieval, and is a much smaller problem area. But
> > > still,
> > > if the predominate questions people pose are the lowest common
> > > denominators:
> > > porn, evangelistic religions, and xenophobic tribalism,,, then why would
> > > they
> > > listen to a computer for anything important?
> >
>
> Okay, I'll bite.
>
> Why did you lump "evangelistic religions" in the same "lowest common
> denominator"
> category as porn?
>
> Jonas
>
I side with Jonas. That was just wrong.
Phil
20. Re: OT: How far we have come
On Mon, 03 May 2004 15:54:41 -0700, Philip Deets
<guest at RapidEuphoria.com> wrote:
>Jonas Temple wrote:
>> Kat wrote:
>> > > if the predominate questions people pose are the lowest common
>> > > denominators:
>> > > porn, evangelistic religions, and xenophobic tribalism,,, then why would
>> > > they
>> > > listen to a computer for anything important?
>> Okay, I'll bite.
>> Why did you lump "evangelistic religions" in the same "lowest common
>> denominator"
>> category as porn?
>> Jonas
>I side with Jonas. That was just wrong.
I agree. Exploiters of the flesh rank far higher in my opinion than
religious nutters.
SCNR.
21. Re: OT: How far we have come
On Sun, 2 May 2004 18:13:31 -0500, Kat <gertie at visionsix.com> wrote:
>So i guess the answer is 2. And that is from a file i wrote out before 1994=
>. What have=20
>i done since? deleted more working code.
If it worked, you would not have been able to delete it.
22. Re: OT: How far we have come
On 4 May 2004, at 2:30, Pete Lomax wrote:
>
>
> On Sun, 2 May 2004 18:13:31 -0500, Kat <gertie at visionsix.com> wrote:
>
> >So i guess the answer is 2. And that is from a file i wrote out before 1994=
> >.
> >What have=20 i done since? deleted more working code.
> If it worked, you would not have been able to delete it.
Really, so on the 2-week reboots i could not pull the data retrieval harddrive?
I never gave the computer a will to live, or any reason to want anything else. I
didn't think it was ethical.
Kat
23. Re: OT: How far we have come
On 2 May 2004, at 13:24, irv mullins wrote:
>
>
> posted by: irv mullins <irvm at ellijay.com>
>
> Kat wrote:
> >
> > On 2 May 2004, at 10:36, irv mullins wrote:
> >
> > > First of all, where would the computer obtain the info that a chicken has
> > > two legs, and a pig four?
> > >
> > > Further, I wonder what would have happened if you changed "chickens" to
> > > "ducks" or "geese". Would it have then been unable to solve the problem?
> >
> > I wonder if the lights are coming on yet as to why a large database and
> > multiple programmers and computers are needed.
<snip>
I found a site which allows just any-ole-body to update a computer's
database of known world-facts. I found i had to write the following emailt o
them:
Greetings,
Just for a lark, i tried
<url removed for those of you who run wierd email clients>
and found to my (small) surprise, someone had told the computer "cats are
not expensive" and "cars do not jump"! White Siberian cats are very
expensive, so are some pedigreed purebreds of the more tame varieties. And
a trip to Los Angeles will find a competition involving cars jumping in various
fashions (to music and other patterns), where a jump from a standing stop
"crouch" to it landing on it's back, is considered to be a default competition
winner. (In case you wonder, the shocks are replaced with hydraulic
cylinders. Some are computer controlled in a way that the cars appear to
walk, rendering this somewhat false too: "A car can walk down the
street (is false)")
<snip>
Kat
