Re: code pages I think
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Igor,
Unfortunately, it seems there is something along the way that's =
interfering with the coding. Even if it's done with the best intentions, =
I find a little disquieting. Please see below.
----- Original Message -----=20
From: "Igor Kachan" <kinz at peterlink.ru>
To: "EUforum" <EUforum at topica.com>
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 5:19 PM
Subject: Re: code pages I think
> --35--From: Gerardo
> Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 00:25:21 -0300
> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win98; U)
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> ****
> Igor,This message is coded CP866 (Netscape Messenger).
> Gerardo
> [charset=3Dus-ascii is not CP866, so, Gerardo
> force Mozilla, but Mozilla sends different code page]
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> --36--From: Gerardo
> Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 00:27:49 -0300
> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win98; U)
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> ****
> Igor,This message is coded Cyrillic (ISO-8859-5),
> via Netscape.
> Gerardo
> [charset=3Dkoi8-r is not ISO-8859-5, so, Gerardo
> forces Mozilla, but Mozilla sends different code page]
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>=20
> --39--From: Gerardo
> Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 00:28:35 -0300
> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win98; U)
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dkoi8-r
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> ****
> Igor, This message is coded Cyrillic (Windows-1251),
> via Netscape.
> Gerardo
> [charset=3Dkoi8-r is not ISO-8859-5, so, Gerardo
> forces Mozilla, but Mozilla sends different code page]
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> As a result:
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(...)
> 4. Gerardo forces his computer to send
> messages with the different Cyrillik
> hard charsets, but his Mozilla makes
> a rebellion on the Gerardo's ship
> sometimes.
> But this Mozilla may be just a regular
> guy and these disparities are the
> Topica's or my Russian Internet
> provider's fault. I don't know, sorry.
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> Hey, Gerardo, check these mistaken=20
> messages from Topica on your computer
> please.
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> Regards,
> Igor Kachan
> kinz at peterlink.ru
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Yet I did send them all in various Cyrillic codings. And I got some of =
them back from the EuList in the same codings (the ones I sent via =
Outlook Express), or changed into us-ascii (via Netscape). Still, they =
all look like perfectly good Western, ISO-1, Latin-1, or whatever you =
prefer.
I guess there's a combination of factors at work here: mail daemons, =
mail clients, and who knows what else. Still, there's something we can =
do at little or no expense: play with fonts.
This message you're reading is formatted in OE5 as 'West European =
(Windows)'. And I'm introducing a slight change. All previous messages =
went out as unformatted (plain) text, and this one I'm sending as html, =
which lets me change fonts. I'm now writing Arial. Now, let's write =
'Euphoria':
.. using Asher (a Hebrew font): Euphoria
.. using Alexander (Greek): Euphoria
.. using Mikhael: Euphoria
... you get the idea.
OE5 will not let me use Arial Cyr, even when I change the code page to a =
Cyrillic one. Other apps will let me, but when I copy Arial Cyr text =
(viewed as Cyrillic), and paste it here, it shows the Latin accented =
uppercase vowels (as Kat saw), whatever OE codepage I set. Curiouser and =
curiouser.
In fact, OE5 offers me just a basic selection of my installed fonts. =
Various font utilities show a lot more (the standard Win98 fonts folder =
looks as poor as OE5), and SiSoft Sandra says I have tons of alternate =
versions, such as Arial Arabic (which appears nowhere else). Apparently =
Windows decides that, since I'm boooting ANSI 1252, I don't need =
everything. Typical.
However, this is not an intrinsic Windows fault, but just sloppy, =
careless user interfacing. Actually, the very standard Windows Font =
dialog box could include, along with the fontface combo, fontsize, and =
all the rest, an 'alphabet' listbox, where you could choose between =
Western, Arabic, Greek, Cyrillic, and any charset your installed fonts =
may offer. Arial itself has all of those, and everybody has Arial. But =
even MS Word doesn't include it. The only place I found it (and got it =
to work fine), was in my beloved NoteTab.
So, on to the Windows API. The Windows 3.1 API has the structures =
TEXTMETRIC, LOGFONT and NEWTEXTMETRIC, which include CharSet fields =
(strings * 1); also several defined constants.
Same with the Win32 API, with some changes, a lot of new constants, a =
new CHARSETINFO structure, and several structures which include =
LOGFONTs, like ICONMETRICS, CHOOSEFONT and MINIMIZEDMETRICS.
All of these can be easily invoked in your API calls: GetFontData, =
GetFontLanguageInfo, CreateFont, CreateFontIndirect, EnumFontFamiliesEx, =
GetTextCharset, GetTextCharsetInfo, TranslateCharsetInfo, =
ImmGetCompositionFont, ImmSetCompositionFont, ChooseFont, EnumFonts, and =
maybe others I missed or came up later.
Whew!
Hope it helps.
Gerardo
If anyone is interested and can't get them, I can send them both: two =
text files inside a 175 KB zipfile.
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Igor,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Unfortunately, it seems there is =
something along=20
the way that's interfering with the coding. Even if it's done with the =
best=20
intentions, I find a little disquieting. Please see below.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>----- Original Message ----- </FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>From: "Igor Kachan" <</FONT><A=20
href=3D"mailto:kinz at peterlink.ru"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>kinz at peterlink.ru</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>To: "EUforum" <</FONT><A=20
href=3D"mailto:EUforum at topica.com"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>EUforum at topica.com</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 5:19 =
PM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Subject: Re: code pages I =
think</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><BR><FONT size=3D2></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> --35--From: Gerardo<BR>> Date: =
Fri, 18 May=20
2001 00:25:21 -0300<BR>> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win98; =
U)<BR>>=20
X-Accept-Language: en,pdf<BR>> Content-Type: text/plain;=20
charset=3Dus-ascii<BR>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit<BR>> =
****<BR>>=20
Igor,This message is coded CP866 (Netscape Messenger).<BR>> =
Gerardo<BR>>=20
[charset=3Dus-ascii is not CP866, so, Gerardo<BR>> force Mozilla, but =
Mozilla=20
sends different code page]<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> --36--From: =
Gerardo<BR>>=20
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 00:27:49 -0300<BR>> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 =
[en]=20
(Win98; U)<BR>> X-Accept-Language: en,pdf<BR>> Content-Type: =
text/plain;=20
charset=3Dkoi8-r<BR>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit<BR>> =
****<BR>>=20
Igor,This message is coded Cyrillic (ISO-8859-5),<BR>> via =
Netscape.<BR>>=20
Gerardo<BR>> [charset=3Dkoi8-r is not ISO-8859-5, so, Gerardo<BR>> =
forces=20
Mozilla, but Mozilla sends different code page]<BR>> <BR>> =
<BR>>=20
--39--From: Gerardo<BR>> Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 00:28:35 =
-0300<BR>>=20
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win98; U)<BR>> X-Accept-Language: =
en,pdf<BR>>=20
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dkoi8-r<BR>> =
Content-Transfer-Encoding:=20
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