1. How do you.....
- Posted by "Philip D." <philip1987 at hotmail.com> May 31, 2003
- 499 views
In the Win32Lib, how do you get the font already on the window? Thanks, Philip P.S. Win XP is worth the money.
2. Re: How do you.....
- Posted by Derek Parnell <ddparnell at bigpond.com> Jun 01, 2003
- 475 views
----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip D." <philip1987 at hotmail.com> To: "EUforum" <EUforum at topica.com> Subject: How do you..... > > > In the Win32Lib, how do you get the font already on the window? I'm unsure about what you are really asking for. Is it ... The NAME or HANDLE of the font you are after? What about the font's other attributes? Are you interested in the font used when creating a window or the one being used in any window or control already created? In any case, when you create a Window, by default it uses the system font ANSI_VAR_FONT which is usually mapped to MS-Serif at about 10 point. With win32lib, you can choose an alternate font in one of two ways... A call to setStartupFont(x) where 'x' can be one of ... OEM_FIXED_FONT ANSI_FIXED_FONT ANSI_VAR_FONT SYSTEM_FONT DEVICE_DEFAULT_FONT SYSTEM_FIXED_FONT or a call to setCreateFont (which it seems I forgot to document - sorry). This is a function used like this... sequence oldValues oldValues = setCreateFont("Times New Roman", 10, Normal, 0) after which all controls created uses this font. Initially the font is "ms sans serif", 8 point, Normal. To find out the font assigned to a control use can use ... sequence theFont theFont = getControlInfo(id, CONTROLINFO_window_font) This can be used with the element names FontName, FontSize, FontAttrib, FontColor like this ... theFont[FontName] -- faceName theFont[FontSize] -- points theFont[FontAttrib] -- Normal/Bold/Italic etc... theFont[FontColor] -- Only applies to RichEdit. -- Derek
3. Re: How do you.....
- Posted by Greg Haberek <g.haberek at comcast.net> Jun 01, 2003
- 493 views
> P.S. Win XP is worth the money. Money?
4. Re: How do you.....
- Posted by gertie at visionsix.com Jun 01, 2003
- 484 views
On 1 Jun 2003, at 1:11, Greg Haberek wrote: > > > > P.S. Win XP is worth the money. > > Money? Well, good point, before the personal edition of XP was on the market in the usa, the Malaysians were "selling" cracked versions of Corporate XP, which doesn't phone home and doesn't need an activation from M$. But,,, if it ever is online, eventually it will be tracked down, because all M$ OSs leak info like a fish net. And are buggy enough to make them barely useable for a serious computer user. Kat
5. Re: How do you.....
- Posted by euman at bellsouth.net Jun 01, 2003
- 553 views
--Alt-Boundary-25544.2298640 Content-description: Mail message body On 1 Jun 2003 at 0:20, gertie at visionsix.com wrote: > > > On 1 Jun 2003, at 1:11, Greg Haberek wrote: > > > > > > > > P.S. Win XP is worth the money. > > > > Money? > > Well, good point, before the personal edition of XP was on the market in the > usa, the Malaysians were "selling" cracked versions of Corporate XP, which > doesn't phone home and doesn't need an activation from M$. But,,, if it ever > is online, eventually it will be tracked down, because all M$ OSs leak info > like a fish net. And are buggy enough to make them barely useable for a > serious computer user. > > Kat My WinXP has never Phoned home and I can still update the OS... I have a version that came from an OEM which uses a product ID that is identicle to other systems running the same OS. (only different SID's but I also recommend downloading from Sysinternals a utility to automate cganging your computors SID) http://www.sysinternals.com/ntw2k/source/newsid.shtml I think if I had a Phone home version I think I would also download the free Sygate Firewall and stop the OS kernel from broadcasting... just my .2 cents.. My WinXP hasn't crashed nor hickup'd in a very long time.... That is unless I run software that isnt compatible i.e, Win32lib apps Euman --Alt-Boundary-25544.2298640 Content-type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body <?xml version="1.0" ?><html> <head> <title></title> </head> <body> <div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">On 1 Jun 2003 at 0:20, gertie at visionsix.com wrote:</span></font></div> <div align="left"><br/> </div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> ============ The Euphoria Mailing List ============ </span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> </span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> </span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> On 1 Jun 2003, at 1:11, Greg Haberek wrote:</span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> </span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> > </span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> > </span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> > > P.S. Win XP is worth the money.</span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> > </span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> > Money?</span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> </span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> Well, good point, before the personal edition of XP was on the market in the </span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> usa, the Malaysians were "selling" cracked versions of Corporate XP, which </span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> doesn't phone home and doesn't need an activation from M$. But,,, if it ever </span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> is online, eventually it will be tracked down, because all M$ OSs leak info </span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> like a fish net. And are buggy enough to make them barely useable for a </span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> serious computer user.</span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> </span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> Kat</span></font></div> <div align="left"><br/> </div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">My WinXP has never Phoned home and I can still update the OS...</span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">I have a version that came from an OEM which uses a product ID</span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">that is identicle to other systems running the same OS.</span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">(only different</span></font><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt"> SID's but I also recommend downloading from Sysinternals</span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt"> a utility to automate cganging your computors SID) </span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt"> </span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">http://www.sysinternals.com/ntw2k/source/newsid.shtml</span></font></div> <div align="left"><br/> </div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">I think if I had a Phone home version I think I would also download the free</span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">Sygate Firewall and stop the OS kernel from broadcasting...</span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">just my .2 cents..</span></font></div> <div align="left"><br/> </div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">My WinXP hasn't crashed nor hickup'd in a very long time....</span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">That is unless I run software that isnt compatible i.e, Win32lib apps</span></font></div> <div align="left"><br/> </div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">Euman</span></font></div> <div align="left"></div> --Alt-Boundary-25544.2298640--
6. Re: How do you.....
- Posted by Derek Parnell <ddparnell at bigpond.com> Jun 01, 2003
- 472 views
----- Original Message ----- From: <euman at bellsouth.net> To: "EUforum" <EUforum at topica.com> Subject: Re: How do you..... [snip] > > My WinXP hasn't crashed nor hickup'd in a very long time.... > That is unless I run software that isnt compatible i.e, Win32lib apps > Proof is all I ask for, Wayne. Got any?
7. Re: How do you.....
- Posted by euman at bellsouth.net Jun 01, 2003
- 494 views
--Alt-Boundary-24163.1773718 Content-description: Mail message body On 2 Jun 2003 at 3:21, Derek Parnell wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <euman at bellsouth.net> > To: "EUforum" <EUforum at topica.com> > Subject: Re: How do you..... > > > [snip] > > > > My WinXP hasn't crashed nor hickup'd in a very long time.... > > That is unless I run software that isnt compatible i.e, Win32lib apps > > > > Proof is all I ask for, Wayne. Got any? Do I really need to post the hundreds of messages saying people have problems running Win32lib on XP??? How many changes have you made recently and how many are pending??? Are you saying Win32lib is STABLE??? Didnt think so... As for Windows versus Linux (to those who like downing Windows) Linux is still unusable by the masses because the File structure is a freakin nightmare. All those OpenSource apps that came with my RHL8 are too scary to even contemplate running. Im a member of RH-Network and if you're not, you probably should be because there have been over 100 Alerts and patches to almost all the Internet and Networking utilities in the past 3-4 months. How many has MS produced in the past 3-4 months less than 10. So you decide... I think I'll finish that Dialog template project now so I can then finish my installer. Euman --Alt-Boundary-24163.1773718 Content-type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body <?xml version="1.0" ?><html> <head> <title></title> </head> <body> <div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">On 2 Jun 2003 at 3:21, Derek Parnell wrote:</span></font></div> <div align="left"><br/> </div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> ============ The Euphoria Mailing List ============ </span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> </span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> </span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> ----- Original Message ----- </span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> From: <euman at bellsouth.net></span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> To: "EUforum" <EUforum at topica.com></span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 1:14 AM</span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> Subject: Re: How do you.....</span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> </span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> </span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> [snip]</span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> > </span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> > My WinXP hasn't crashed nor hickup'd in a very long time....</span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> > That is unless I run software that isnt compatible i.e, Win32lib apps</span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> > </span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> </span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> Proof is all I ask for, Wayne. Got any?</span></font></div> <div align="left"><br/></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">Do I really need to post the hundreds of messages saying people have problems</span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">running Win32lib on XP??? How many changes have you made recently and how many</span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">are pending??? Are you saying Win32lib is STABLE??? Didnt think so...</span></font></div> <div align="left"><br/> </div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">As for Windows versus Linux (to those who like downing Windows)</span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">Linux is still unusable by the masses because the File structure is a freakin nightmare.</span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">All those OpenSource apps that came with my RHL8 are too scary to even contemplate</span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">running. Im a member of RH-Network and if you're not, you probably should be because there have been over 100 Alerts and patches to almost all the Internet and Networking utilities in the past 3-4 months. How many has MS produced in the past 3-4 months less than 10. So you decide...</span></font></div> <div align="left"><br/> </div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">I think I'll finish that Dialog template project now so I can then finish my installer.</span></font></div> <div align="left"><br/> </div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">Euman</span></font></div> <div align="left"></div> --Alt-Boundary-24163.1773718--
8. Re: How do you.....
- Posted by Derek Parnell <ddparnell at bigpond.com> Jun 01, 2003
- 490 views
----- Original Message ----- From: <euman at bellsouth.net> To: "EUforum" <EUforum at topica.com> Subject: Re: How do you..... > > On 2 Jun 2003 at 3:21, Derek Parnell wrote: > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <euman at bellsouth.net> > > To: "EUforum" <EUforum at topica.com> > > Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 1:14 AM > > Subject: Re: How do you..... > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > My WinXP hasn't crashed nor hickup'd in a very long time.... > > > That is unless I run software that isnt compatible i.e, Win32lib apps > > > > > > > Proof is all I ask for, Wayne. Got any? > > Do I really need to post the hundreds of messages saying people have problems > running Win32lib on XP??? Yes, please forward them on to me as I have not seen them yet. >How many changes have you made recently Dozens >and how many are pending??? Hundreds >Are you saying Win32lib is STABLE??? No. Never have either. In fact I've been saying the opposite. Notice that its still not even up to version 1.0 yet! It has a LONG LONG way to go before I'd use it in any commercial application. And by the way, I hear that before Everest was first climbed, no one had done that before. "The longest march begins with a small step" - Mao Tze Tung Are you saying that Win32lib is *more* unstable with XP than other windows versions? If so, please show me something that I can use to recify that situation. Holding back your evidence is not going to help anyone. >Didnt think so... And are you saying I should stop trying to get it stable? Didn't think so... I hope you are not implying that the number of changes made to a product is a sign of its stablity. If that was that case, all I'd have to do is stop fixing things and it would be declared stable! > As for Windows versus Linux (to those who like downing Windows) What has this got to do with me and win32lib? Do you regard me in this group too? If so, why? > Linux is still unusable by the masses because the File structure is a freakin nightmare. > All those OpenSource apps that came with my RHL8 are too scary to even contemplate > running. Im a member of RH-Network and if you're not, you probably should be because > there have been over 100 Alerts and patches to almost all the Internet and Networking > utilities in the past 3-4 months. How many has MS produced in the past 3-4 months less > than 10. So you decide... And how many have MS not produced? There are many more documented issues that MS could have fixed by now. > I think I'll finish that Dialog template project now so I can then finish my installer. Great! I'm looking forward to using your Installer.
9. Re: How do you.....
- Posted by jbrown105 at speedymail.org Jun 01, 2003
- 478 views
On Sun, Jun 01, 2003 at 01:49:25PM -0400, euman at bellsouth.net wrote: > As for Windows versus Linux (to those who like downing Windows) > Linux is still unusable by the masses because the File structure is a freakin > nightmare. Only to those who don't bother to learn it. Its actually superior. > All those OpenSource apps that came with my RHL8 are too scary to even > contemplate > running. > Im a member of RH-Network and if you're not, you probably should be because > there have been over 100 Alerts and patches to almost all the Internet and > Networking > utilities in the past 3-4 months. Which is a good thing. Or would you rather they cover them up and not warn us? Rapid bugfixes and alerts are a good thing, as they show extremely active development and stability. > How many has MS produced in the past 3-4 months less > than 10. And yet, there are HUNDREDS, if not THOUSANDS, of bugs that have not been fixed by MS until after YEARS have past ... Windows 9x has had more bugs than Linux/GNU, and yet fewer of those bugs have been fixed! > So you decide... But be sure to check all your facts before making a decision. > > Euman > jbrown -- /"\ ASCII ribbon | http://www.geocities.com/jbrown1050/ \ / campain against | Linux User:190064 X HTML in e-mail and | Linux Machine:84163 /*\ news, and unneeded MIME |
10. Re: How do you.....
- Posted by euman at bellsouth.net Jun 01, 2003
- 465 views
> > > [snip] > > > > > > > > My WinXP hasn't crashed nor hickup'd in a very long time.... > > > > That is unless I run software that isnt compatible i.e, Win32lib apps > > > > > > > > > > Proof is all I ask for, Wayne. Got any? > > > > Do I really need to post the hundreds of messages saying people have > problems > > running Win32lib on XP??? > > Yes, please forward them on to me as I have not seen them yet. Maybe you should read the EuForum messages again > >How many changes have you made recently > > Dozens How many because someone said they ran XP? > >and how many are pending??? > > Hundreds > >Are you saying Win32lib is STABLE??? > > No. Never have either. In fact I've been saying the opposite. Notice that > its still not even up to version 1.0 yet! It has a LONG LONG way to go > before I'd use it in any commercial application. Still too much overhead in Win32lib, look at Judiths IDE (although very nice) its very slow even on my fast 2.53ghz machine. > And by the way, I hear that before Everest was first climbed, no one had > done that before. > > "The longest march begins with a small step" - Mao Tze Tung Win32lib is Bloated so how is this a small step? Code re-use is out the window. > Are you saying that Win32lib is *more* unstable with XP than other windows > versions? > If so, please show me something that I can use to recify that > situation. Holding back your evidence is not going to help anyone. > > >Didnt think so... > > And are you saying I should stop trying to get it stable? Didn't think so... > > I hope you are not implying that the number of changes made to a product is > a sign of its stablity. If that was that case, all I'd have to do is stop > fixing things and it would be declared stable! > > > As for Windows versus Linux (to those who like downing Windows) > > What has this got to do with me and win32lib? Do you regard me in this group > too? If so, why? Look between ( ) > > Linux is still unusable by the masses because the File structure is a > freakin nightmare. > > All those OpenSource apps that came with my RHL8 are too scary to even > contemplate > > running. Im a member of RH-Network and if you're not, you probably should > be because > > there have been over 100 Alerts and patches to almost all the Internet and > Networking > > utilities in the past 3-4 months. How many has MS produced in the past 3-4 > months less > > than 10. So you decide... > > And how many have MS not produced? There are many more documented issues > that MS could have fixed by now. There are tons compared to pounds that use Windows so it does make since that MS is a better OS especially XP+ > > I think I'll finish that Dialog template project now so I can then finish > my installer. > > Great! I'm looking forward to using your Installer. Hopefully not counting setbacks or ideas, soon.
11. Re: How do you.....
- Posted by gertie at visionsix.com Jun 01, 2003
- 473 views
On 1 Jun 2003, at 15:50, euman at bellsouth.net wrote: <snip> > > > Linux is still unusable by the masses because the File structure is a > > freakin nightmare. > > > All those OpenSource apps that came with my RHL8 are too scary to even > > contemplate > > > running. Im a member of RH-Network and if you're not, you probably should > > be because > > > there have been over 100 Alerts and patches to almost all the Internet and > > Networking > > > utilities in the past 3-4 months. How many has MS produced in the past 3-4 > > months less > > > than 10. So you decide... > > > > And how many have MS not produced? There are many more documented issues > > that MS could have fixed by now. > > There are tons compared to pounds that use Windows > so it does make since that MS is a better OS especially XP+ It's just that M$ doesn't bother to fix them, and the few that do get fixed are done in one patch. Often the patches are worse than the original problem. Add to that the backdoors and 10,000's of viruses and trojans released for windoze, which M$ won't provide patches for. XP has it's own category of virus hosting with the new Office stuff. Kat
12. Re: How do you.....
- Posted by Robert Craig <rds at RapidEuphoria.com> Jun 01, 2003
- 484 views
Euman writes: > My WinXP hasn't crashed nor hickup'd in a very long time.... The biggest "feature" of XP for me, is the fact that it rarely crashes, especially compared to ME/98/95. > That is unless I run software that isnt compatible i.e, Win32lib apps Every Win32Lib-based app that has been posted on our site in the past 12 months has been tested on my XP machine. In general, I haven't noticed any problem with Win32Lib on XP. In a couple of rare cases, someone may have assigned an address to an integer, and on XP the address happened to be bigger than 31-bits, so they had a type_check error. But that was a problem in their code, not Win32Lib, and I haven't even seen that very often. I don't closely follow all the Win32Lib-related postings, but it seems like most of the problems that are reported are fairly minor, or fairly rare, and have nothing to do with the O/S the person is using. > How many changes have you made recently and how many > are pending??? Are you saying Win32lib is STABLE??? > Didnt think so... The only stable software is dead software. As long as a program is actively used, there will be demands for change. Regards, Rob Craig Rapid Deployment Software http://www.RapidEuphoria.com
13. Re: How do you.....
- Posted by gertie at visionsix.com Jun 01, 2003
- 480 views
On 1 Jun 2003, at 16:34, Robert Craig wrote: > > > Euman writes: > > My WinXP hasn't crashed nor hickup'd in a very long time.... > > The biggest "feature" of XP for me, is the fact > that it rarely crashes, especially compared to ME/98/95. Define "rarely"? What is the longest uptime before a crash? What's the shortest? Kat
14. Re: How do you.....
- Posted by euman at bellsouth.net Jun 01, 2003
- 483 views
On 1 Jun 2003 at 15:32, gertie at visionsix.com wrote: > > > On 1 Jun 2003, at 15:50, euman at bellsouth.net wrote: > > <snip> > > > > > Linux is still unusable by the masses because the File structure is a > > > freakin nightmare. > > > > All those OpenSource apps that came with my RHL8 are too scary to even > > > contemplate > > > > running. Im a member of RH-Network and if you're not, you probably > > > > should > > > be because > > > > there have been over 100 Alerts and patches to almost all the Internet > > > > and > > > Networking > > > > utilities in the past 3-4 months. How many has MS produced in the past > > > > 3-4 > > > months less > > > > than 10. So you decide... > > > > > > And how many have MS not produced? There are many more documented issues > > > that MS could have fixed by now. > > > > There are tons compared to pounds that use Windows > > so it does make since that MS is a better OS especially XP+ > > It's just that M$ doesn't bother to fix them, and the few that do get fixed > are > done in one patch. Often the patches are worse than the original problem. > Add to that the backdoors and 10,000's of viruses and trojans released for > windoze, which M$ won't provide patches for. XP has it's own category of > virus hosting with the new Office stuff. > > Kat You don't see this as probable propaganda perpetrated on the masses by corporations who have a stake in the other OS futures do you Kat? Believe half of everything you see and nothing anyone says... Im not saying WinXP is the most secure but everyone knows Linux is more insecure. ( If over 100,000 script kiddies set out to wreck Linux it wouldn't have taken but one. ) Euman
15. Re: How do you.....
- Posted by gertie at visionsix.com Jun 01, 2003
- 479 views
On 1 Jun 2003, at 17:27, euman at bellsouth.net wrote: > > > On 1 Jun 2003 at 15:32, gertie at visionsix.com wrote: > > > > > On 1 Jun 2003, at 15:50, euman at bellsouth.net wrote: > > > > <snip> > > > > > > > Linux is still unusable by the masses because the File structure is a > > > > freakin nightmare. > > > > > All those OpenSource apps that came with my RHL8 are too scary to even > > > > contemplate > > > > > running. Im a member of RH-Network and if you're not, you probably > > > > > should > > > > be because > > > > > there have been over 100 Alerts and patches to almost all the Internet > > > > > and > > > > Networking > > > > > utilities in the past 3-4 months. How many has MS produced in the past > > > > > 3-4 > > > > months less > > > > > than 10. So you decide... > > > > > > > > And how many have MS not produced? There are many more documented issues > > > > that MS could have fixed by now. > > > > > > There are tons compared to pounds that use Windows > > > so it does make since that MS is a better OS especially XP+ > > > > It's just that M$ doesn't bother to fix them, and the few that do get fixed > > are done in one patch. Often the patches are worse than the original > > problem. > > Add to that the backdoors and 10,000's of viruses and trojans released for > > windoze, which M$ won't provide patches for. XP has it's own category of > > virus > > hosting with the new Office stuff. > > > > Kat > > You don't see this as probable propaganda perpetrated on the masses by > corporations who have a stake in the other OS futures do you Kat? > > Believe half of everything you see and nothing anyone says... /me will defer to Travis, who M$ wiped out several times. Kat
16. Re: How do you.....
- Posted by Robert Craig <rds at RapidEuphoria.com> Jun 01, 2003
- 473 views
gertie at visionsix.com wrote: > Define "rarely"? What is the longest uptime before a crash? What's the > shortest? In 12 months of using XP every day, usually for several hours: - I seem to recall only one actual XP "crash" - I rebooted a couple of times because it was acting a bit strange (some cosmetic problem developed with the way some windows were shown). - I rebooted a few times when trying to restore my Internet connection, but I can't say that was XP's fault, the DSL just seemed to go down for a while. - It crashed twice during electrical storms, but that's hardly XP's fault. In contrast, my previous Win98, later WinME, machine crashed an average of twice a day. It may have been partly due to flaky hardware (though Linux on that same machine rarely crashed - maybe an average of once per 200 hours). Regards, Rob Craig Rapid Deployment Software http://www.RapidEuphoria.com
17. Re: How do you.....
- Posted by xerox_irs at lvcm.com Jun 01, 2003
- 470 views
I have used win32lib in a commercial app, it took forever(should have been less than a week, to like six) to get all the bugs out, but when I did they liked it and payed me. Daniel Kluss [snip] > No. Never have either. In fact I've been saying the opposite. Notice that > its still not even up to version 1.0 yet! It has a LONG LONG way to go > before I'd use it in any commercial application. > > And by the way, I hear that before Everest was first climbed, no one had > done that before. > [snip]
18. Re: How do you.....
- Posted by xerox_irs at lvcm.com Jun 01, 2003
- 484 views
The best Linux game, "King if the Hill", its played over the network(or internet), some hacker buddies get together, pick a common target(The Hill) and try to get controll of it(King) and keep your buddies out, the Hill usually has many kings thourghout the game, and they switch quickly, that is until someone sees all the blinking lights(on the hub/router) and the logs and maybe funny stuff on the screen, or try to log in, and they turn off the *nix box(the hill). Very fun, I definitly recommend playing on your own hardware though(chuckles). Daniel Kluss [snip] > Im not saying WinXP is the most secure but everyone knows Linux is more insecure. > ( If over 100,000 script kiddies set out to wreck Linux it wouldn't have taken but one. ) > > Euman
19. Re: How do you.....
- Posted by gertie at visionsix.com Jun 02, 2003
- 475 views
On 1 Jun 2003, at 18:06, Robert Craig wrote: > > > gertie at visionsix.com wrote: > > Define "rarely"? What is the longest uptime before a crash? What's the > > shortest? > > In 12 months of using XP every day, usually for several hours: "for several hours" ? So it's not left on 24-7 then, and given time to nuke itself? > - I seem to recall only one actual XP "crash" > - I rebooted a couple of times because it was > acting a bit strange (some cosmetic problem developed > with the way some windows were shown). > - I rebooted a few times when trying to restore my Internet > connection, but I can't say that was XP's fault, the DSL > just seemed to go down for a while. > - It crashed twice during electrical storms, but that's hardly > XP's fault. > > In contrast, my previous Win98, later WinME, machine crashed > an average of twice a day. It may have been partly due > to flaky hardware (though Linux on that same > machine rarely crashed - maybe an average of once per 200 hours). 200 hours isn't much time either, only 8 days. I stay up 2 weeks before rebooting just to save settings, but have gone 22 days, which is supposed to be impossible on win95. Kat
20. Re: How do you.....
- Posted by dm31 at uow.edu.au Jun 02, 2003
- 461 views
On Sun, 1 Jun 2003 gertie at visionsix.com wrote: > > > On 1 Jun 2003, at 18:06, Robert Craig wrote: > > > > > gertie at visionsix.com wrote: > > > Define "rarely"? What is the longest uptime before a crash? What's the > > > shortest? > > > > In 12 months of using XP every day, usually for several hours: > > "for several hours" ? So it's not left on 24-7 then, and given time to nuke > itself? > I assumed he meant that he actively used it for several hours a day, and left it on when he wasn't using it(like I did). > > - I seem to recall only one actual XP "crash" > > - I rebooted a couple of times because it was > > acting a bit strange (some cosmetic problem developed > > with the way some windows were shown). > > - I rebooted a few times when trying to restore my Internet > > connection, but I can't say that was XP's fault, the DSL > > just seemed to go down for a while. > > - It crashed twice during electrical storms, but that's hardly > > XP's fault. > > > > In contrast, my previous Win98, later WinME, machine crashed > > an average of twice a day. It may have been partly due > > to flaky hardware (though Linux on that same > > machine rarely crashed - maybe an average of once per 200 hours). > > 200 hours isn't much time either, only 8 days. I stay up 2 weeks before > rebooting just to save settings, but have gone 22 days, which is supposed to > be impossible on win95. When I was using win98se I left it up weeks at a time, only rebooting normally when some code I wrote with euphoria/exotica, c++ or asm crashed it. Having said that, it seems very pointless arguing which OS appears better then the rest... even more so with such a small group. When it comes done to it, everyone will want something slightly different from a OS, and every OS will preform slightly(or greatly) different on different hardware. Not to mention that an OSes stability is also greatly affected by what third party software is run on it, and how it was setup. I've seen very stable 95, 98, 2K and XP boxes. In a gaming clan I was in, there are 2K and XP boxes with uptimes normally around 3weeks +, and they normally are not rebooted due to crashes. My 98 box was normally up for around 2 weeks at a time. I've also seen really unstable ones which crash atleast once a day. The same can be said for linux boxes I have seen. Almost all OSes in common use MUST have good points about them, otherwise they wouldn't be in common use, and every OS MUST have bad points about them, otherwise there wouldn't be 'other' OSes. One of the hardest things in todays world is not to get caught up in all the propaganda floating around from all sides of a debate. When it comes done to it, use an OS that YOU feel at home with, use one that gets the job done that YOU require. Cheers, Dan > Kat > > > > TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! > >
21. Re: How do you.....
- Posted by kbochert at copper.net Jun 02, 2003
- 577 views
--Alt-Boundary-4932.18163135 Content-description: Mail message body On 1 Jun 2003 at 19:30, gertie at visionsix.com wrote: > > > On 1 Jun 2003, at 18:06, Robert Craig wrote: > > > > > gertie at visionsix.com wrote: > > > Define "rarely"? What is the longest uptime before a crash? What's the > > > shortest? > > > > In 12 months of using XP every day, usually for several hours: > > "for several hours" ? So it's not left on 24-7 then, and given time to nuke > itself? > > > - I seem to recall only one actual XP "crash" > > - I rebooted a couple of times because it was > > acting a bit strange (some cosmetic problem developed > > with the way some windows were shown). > > - I rebooted a few times when trying to restore my Internet > > connection, but I can't say that was XP's fault, the DSL > > just seemed to go down for a while. > > - It crashed twice during electrical storms, but that's hardly > > XP's fault. > > > > In contrast, my previous Win98, later WinME, machine crashed > > an average of twice a day. It may have been partly due > > to flaky hardware (though Linux on that same > > machine rarely crashed - maybe an average of once per 200 hours). > > 200 hours isn't much time either, only 8 days. I stay up 2 weeks before > rebooting just to save settings, but have gone 22 days, which is supposed to > be impossible on win95. > > Kat > Some interesting links: http://216.239.57.100/search?q=cache:cxniQQrwbnIJ:www.eu.microsoft.com/france /logicieloriginal/activation/docs/ManagingDownloadTechnologies.doc+xp+drm&hl=e n&ie=UTF-8 whew! try Phone home to save some fingertips. http://cryptome.org/ms-drm-os.htm DRM patent http://www.infoworld.com/article/02/02/08/020211opfoster_1.html EULA 1) Office, Outlook etc produce DRM content by default (and later only) 2) Patents prevent Linux from implementing DRM. 3) New hardware will refuse to boot non-DRM OS's. It will take a while, but Linux is doomed Fortunately I'm retiring soon, so its not my problem. Karl Bochert --Alt-Boundary-4932.18163135 Content-type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body <?xml version="1.0" ?><html> <head> <title></title> </head> <body> <div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">On 1 Jun 2003 at 19:30, gertie at visionsix.com wrote:</span></font></div> <div align="left"><br/> </div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> ============ The Euphoria Mailing List ============ </span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> </span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> </span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> On 1 Jun 2003, at 18:06, Robert Craig wrote:</span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> </span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> > </span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> > </span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> > gertie at visionsix.com wrote:</span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> > > Define "rarely"? What is the longest uptime before a crash? What's the </span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> > > shortest?</span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> > </span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> > In 12 months of using XP every day, usually for several hours:</span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> </span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> "for several hours" ? So it's not left on 24-7 then, and given time to nuke </span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> itself?</span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> </span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> > - I seem to recall only one actual XP "crash"</span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> > - I rebooted a couple of times because it was</span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> > acting a bit strange (some cosmetic problem developed</span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> > with the way some windows were shown).</span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> > - I rebooted a few times when trying to restore my Internet</span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> > connection, but I can't say that was XP's fault, the DSL</span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> > just seemed to go down for a while.</span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> > - It crashed twice during electrical storms, but that's hardly</span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> > XP's fault.</span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> > </span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> > In contrast, my previous Win98, later WinME, machine crashed</span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> > an average of twice a day. It may have been partly due</span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> > to flaky hardware (though Linux on that same</span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> > machine rarely crashed - maybe an average of once per 200 hours).</span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> </span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> 200 hours isn't much time either, only 8 days. I stay up 2 weeks before </span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> rebooting just to save settings, but have gone 22 days, which is supposed to </span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> be impossible on win95.</span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> </span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> Kat</span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> </span></font></div> <div align="left"><br/></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">Some interesting links:</span></font></div> <div align="left"><br/> </div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">http://216.239.57.100/search?q=cache:cxniQQrwbnIJ:www.eu.microsoft.com/france/logicieloriginal/activation/docs/ManagingDownloadTechnologies.doc+xp+drm&hl=en&ie=UTF-8</span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">whew! try </span></font><a href="http://216.239.57.100/search?q=cache:cxniQQrwbnIJ:www.eu.microsoft.com/france/logicieloriginal/activation/docs/ManagingDownloadTechnologies.doc+xp+drm&hl=en&ie=UTF-8"><u>Phone home</u></a><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff"> <u> </u></font><font face="Arial"> to save some fingertips.</font></div> <div align="left"><br/> </div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff"><span style="font-size:10pt"><u>http://cryptome.org/ms-drm-os.htm</u></span></font><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt"> DRM patent</span></font></div> <div align="left"><br/> </div> <div align="left"><a href="http://www.infoworld.com/article/02/02/08/020211opfoster_1.html"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt"><u>http://www.infoworld.com/article/02/02/08/020211opfoster_1.html</u></span></font></a><font face="Arial"> EULA</font></div> <div align="left"><br/> </div> <div align="left"><br/> </div> <div align="left"><br/></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">1) Office, Outlook etc produce DRM content by default (and later only)</span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">2) Patents prevent Linux from implementing DRM.</span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">3) New hardware will refuse to boot non-DRM OS's.</span></font></div> <div align="left"><br/> </div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">It will take a while, but Linux is doomed </span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">Fortunately I'm retiring soon, so its not my problem.</span></font></div> <div align="left"><br/> </div> <div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">Karl Bochert</span></font></div> <div align="left"></div> --Alt-Boundary-4932.18163135--
22. Re: How do you.....
- Posted by Derek Parnell <ddparnell at bigpond.com> Jun 02, 2003
- 472 views
On Mon, 02 Jun 2003 00:35:04 -0300, <rforno at tutopia.com> wrote: > > > Karl: > What is DRM? Digital Rights Management -- cheers, Derek Parnell
23. Re: How do you.....
- Posted by irvm at ellijay.com Jun 02, 2003
- 482 views
On Monday 02 June 2003 01:46 am, you wrote: > > On Mon, 02 Jun 2003 00:35:04 -0300, <rforno at tutopia.com> wrote: > > Karl: > > What is DRM? > > Digital Rights Management Which, in a nutshell, means that if someone else (Microsoft, or the RIAA, for example) created it, you can't use it as you wish, even if you have paid fot it. But if _you_ want to create something, you will have to pay Microsoft for the privilege, or what you have created won't run on DRM protected computers [play on DRM cd's] ...etc. * And they complain about the mafia..... Irv .
24. Re: How do you.....
- Posted by jbrown105 at speedymail.org Jun 02, 2003
- 480 views
On Mon, Jun 02, 2003 at 07:30:36AM -0400, irvm at ellijay.com wrote: > > > On Monday 02 June 2003 01:46 am, you wrote: > > > > On Mon, 02 Jun 2003 00:35:04 -0300, <rforno at tutopia.com> wrote: > > > Karl: > > > What is DRM? > > > > Digital Rights Management > > Which, in a nutshell, means that if someone else (Microsoft, or the RIAA, for > example) created it, you can't use it as you wish, even if you have paid fot > it. > > But if _you_ want to create something, you will have to pay Microsoft for the > privilege, or what you have created won't run on DRM protected computers > [play on DRM cd's] ...etc. * > > And they complain about the mafia..... > > Irv > I wonder how they'll handle the running of non-DRM legacy Windows apps. If DRM can't be turned off, then those old apps won't run, which will be a huge incentive against DRM. jbrown -- /"\ ASCII ribbon | http://www.geocities.com/jbrown1050/ \ / campain against | Linux User:190064 X HTML in e-mail and | Linux Machine:84163 /*\ news, and unneeded MIME |
25. Re: How do you.....
- Posted by daryl_vdb at hotmail.com Jun 03, 2003
- 478 views
>> >>Karl: >>What is DRM? > >Digital Rights Management > RMS likes to call it "Digital Restrictions Management" which I think is a more fitting name. Daryl Van Den Brink
26. Re: How do you.....
- Posted by Christian.CUVIER at agriculture.gouv.fr Jun 03, 2003
- 477 views
> >> >> On Monday 02 June 2003 01:46 am, you wrote: > >> > >> > On Mon, 02 Jun 2003 00:35:04 -0300, <rforno at tutopia.com> wrote: > >> > > Karl: >> > > What is DRM? > >> > >> > Digital Rights Management > >> >> Which, in a nutshell, means that if someone else (Microsoft, or the RIAA, for >> >> example) created it, you can't use it as you wish, even if you have paid fot >> it. >> >> But if _you_ want to create something, you will have to pay Microsoft for the >> >> privilege, or what you have created won't run on DRM protected computers >> [play on DRM cd's] ...etc. * >> >> And they complain about the mafia..... >> >> Irv >> > > I wonder how they'll handle the running of non-DRM legacy Windows apps. > > If DRM can't be turned off, then those old apps won't run, which will be a > huge incentive against DRM. > > jbrown What if this was just a propaganda ploy to panic a lot of people into buying non-DRM software before the iron curtain falls? It is just too unlikely that M$ and others move to such a gaping break of compatibility, given their record of maintaining ascendant compat with obsolete techniques and products at a high cost. That's why I don't fret too much about the issue. Just use third party add-ons to protect your privacy. This is gettong harder since 911, but remains possible. CChris
27. Re: How do you.....
- Posted by gertie at visionsix.com Jun 03, 2003
- 469 views
On 3 Jun 2003, at 11:04, Christian.CUVIER at agriculture.gouv.fr wrote: > > > > Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 16:26:20 -0400 From: jbrown105 at speedymail.org > > Subject: > > Re: How do you..... On Mon, Jun 02, 2003 at 07:30:36AM -0400, irvm at > > ellijay.com > > wrote: > > > >> > >> On Monday 02 June 2003 01:46 am, you wrote: > > > >> > > >> > On Mon, 02 Jun 2003 00:35:04 -0300, <rforno at tutopia.com> wrote: > > > >> > > Karl: > >> > > What is DRM? > > > >> > > >> > Digital Rights Management > > > >> > >> Which, in a nutshell, means that if someone else (Microsoft, or the RIAA, > >> for > >> example) created it, you can't use it as you wish, even if you have paid > >> fot > >> it. > >> > >> But if _you_ want to create something, you will have to pay Microsoft for > >> the > >> privilege, or what you have created won't run on DRM protected computers > >> [play on DRM cd's] ...etc. * > >> > >> And they complain about the mafia..... > >> > >> Irv > >> > > > > I wonder how they'll handle the running of non-DRM legacy Windows apps. > > > > If DRM can't be turned off, then those old apps won't run, which will be a > > huge incentive against DRM. > > > > jbrown > > What if this was just a propaganda ploy to panic a lot of people into > buying non-DRM software before the iron curtain falls? It is just too > unlikely that M$ and others move to such a gaping break of > compatibility, given their record of maintaining ascendant compat with > obsolete techniques and products at a high cost. > That's why I don't fret too much about the issue. Just use third party > add-ons to protect your privacy. This is gettong harder since 911, but > remains possible. You haveto realise the usa gov is supporting these restrictions. By tagging all communications' sources and destinations, they will be able to log all internet communications more easily. The main holdup to IPv6 is the logging ability and packet formating. All phone lines used for speech can be wiretapped (it supposedly takes a court order, but those would be easy to get now), and the digital lines will be tapped as a matter of course, without court orders. Having a "3rd party" OS or socks driver simply means your packets will be refused from internet routers with a error msg along the lines of "if we can't read it, you can't use our internet". If an app passes DRM, poeple will be more likely to use it, meaning signed snoopware will be used without a 2nd thought. (All versions of Microsoft Office keep a number that identifies your computer in each file you create that includes Visual Basic macros. Office 97 keeps an identifying number even if there are no macros.) Look how many people use javascript, java, activex, even tho i downloaded 5 public examples of how to install malicious code remotely on someone's computer without their knowledge, using any of them. If Adobe can get the us gov to use .pdf as a default text editor, despite what other countries say about M$ and .pdf, you know M$, with it's money, will win. Howard Schmidt, vice chairman of the White House's National Critical Infrastructure Protection Board, was previously Microsoft's chief security officer. Scott Charney, Microsoft's current security officer, is a former federal official. Kat