1. WinXP zip password problem (was: Re: graph.ew)
CChris wrote:
>
> > > > > The best shot would be to wait for v0.70.4a, which I should have
> > > > > released
> this</font></i>
> > > > > month, as it fixes this bug.
> > > > >
> > > > > The release has been delayed for various reasons, one of which being
> > > > > the
> current</font></i>
> > > > > development leading to Eu v4.0. I expect to have less to do on this
> > > > > front
> soon,</font></i>
> > > > > andthis way releae the fixed version.
> > > > >
> > > > > CChris
> > > >
> > > > Just curious: can you make this release be zipped in such a way that
> > > > native
> > > > WinXP etc can unzip it?
> > > >
> > > > Dan
> > >
> > > I tried that, and it had seemed to work. Just not sure what the actual
> > > problem
> > > is.
> > > Well, it is a bug in the OS, or in one of its core applications, after
> > > all...
> >
> > It is?? I'm sure I've downloaded/unzipped other Euphoria contributions
> > with WinXP without the "password" problem. But I haven't recently *zipped*
> > anything (under XP); how are you doing that?
> >
> > Dan
> >
> > >
> > > CChris
>
> Using the integrated abilities to zip Directory Opus has.
>
> I'll check the compression rate again, it had seemed that a high rate would
> confuse XP, while a lower rate wouldn't. Just guesswork.
>
> CChris
Don't mean to make a problem for you, just seems more than a few people will
try to use XP native to unzip it, not be able to, & give up. I'm not
familiar with Directory Opus, but looking at their website I wonder if
maybe you accidentaly left encryption on as a default? Probably not, just
occured to me from their online doc:
"Ask for encryption and compression settings when copying files into ZIP files:
This option selects whether Opus should prompt you for settings whenever you copy
files into the ZIP archive."
Dan
2. Re: WinXP zip password problem (was: Re: graph.ew)
Dan Moyer wrote:
>
> Don't mean to make a problem for you, just seems more than a few people will
> try to use XP native to unzip it, not be able to, & give up. I'm not
> familiar with Directory Opus, but looking at their website I wonder if
> maybe you accidentaly left encryption on as a default? Probably not, just
> occured to me from their online doc:
Remember, it unzips just fine in 7-zip.
Mike
3. Re: WinXP zip password problem (was: Re: graph.ew)
Mike777 wrote:
>
> Dan Moyer wrote:
> >
> > Don't mean to make a problem for you, just seems more than a few people will
> > try to use XP native to unzip it, not be able to, & give up. I'm not
> > familiar with Directory Opus, but looking at their website I wonder if
> > maybe you accidentaly left encryption on as a default? Probably not, just
> > occured to me from their online doc:
>
> Remember, it unzips just fine in 7-zip.
>
> Mike
I've never used 7-zip and don't know why I should have to. I've got enough
suff loading up my had drive.
Of course I've never downloaded eu ver 4.0 either. I'd rather wait a while for
that.
Don Cole
4. Re: WinXP zip password problem (was: Re: graph.ew)
don cole wrote:
>
> I've never used 7-zip and don't know why I should have to. I've got enough
> suff loading up my had drive.
I use it because it opens up pretty much every archive format that's out
there. Also, the WinXP native stuff is often really really slow.
Matt
5. Re: WinXP zip password problem (was: Re: graph.ew)
Dan Moyer wrote:
>
> CChris wrote:
> >
>
> > > > > > The best shot would be to wait for v0.70.4a, which I should have
> > > > > > released
> > this</font></i>
> > > > > > month, as it fixes this bug.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The release has been delayed for various reasons, one of which being
> > > > > > the
> > current</font></i>
> > > > > > development leading to Eu v4.0. I expect to have less to do on this
> > > > > > front
> > soon,</font></i>
> > > > > > andthis way releae the fixed version.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > CChris
> > > > >
> > > > > Just curious: can you make this release be zipped in such a way that
> > > > > native
> > > > > WinXP etc can unzip it?
> > > > >
> > > > > Dan
> > > >
> > > > I tried that, and it had seemed to work. Just not sure what the actual
> > > > problem
> > > > is.
> > > > Well, it is a bug in the OS, or in one of its core applications, after
> > > > all...
> > >
> > > It is?? I'm sure I've downloaded/unzipped other Euphoria contributions
> > > with WinXP without the "password" problem. But I haven't recently
> > > *zipped*
> > > anything (under XP); how are you doing that?
> > >
> > > Dan
> > >
> > > >
> > > > CChris
> >
> > Using the integrated abilities to zip Directory Opus has.
> >
> > I'll check the compression rate again, it had seemed that a high rate would
> > confuse XP, while a lower rate wouldn't. Just guesswork.
> >
> > CChris
>
> Don't mean to make a problem for you, just seems more than a few people will
> try to use XP native to unzip it, not be able to, & give up. I'm not
> familiar with Directory Opus, but looking at their website I wonder if
> maybe you accidentaly left encryption on as a default? Probably not, just
> occured to me from their online doc:
>
> "Ask for encryption and compression settings when copying files into ZIP
> files:
> This option selects whether Opus should prompt you for settings whenever you
> copy files into the ZIP archive."
>
> Dan
I'm not on my home machine right now.
But, if there was some encryption, dragging the contents wouldn't extract them,
would it?
CChris
6. Re: WinXP zip password problem (was: Re: graph.ew)
Mike777 wrote:
>
>
> Remember, it unzips just fine in 7-zip.
>
> Mike
That's nice. I use WinRar. I don't like 7-zip's interface at all.
Lucius L. Hilley III - Unkmar
7. Re: WinXP zip password problem (was: Re: graph.ew)
> > Remember, it unzips just fine in 7-zip.
>
> That's nice. I use WinRar. I don't like 7-zip's interface at all.
Really? I can't stand WinRar. I got to the point where I couldn't stand anything
but WinZip, so I paid for a full license. I love WinZip. It's one of the few
Win32 apps that I feel works as expected, and without issue.
Of course, now I run Linux so I just use tar/gzip. :-p
-Greg
8. Re: WinXP zip password problem (was: Re: graph.ew)
CChris wrote:
>
> Dan Moyer wrote:
> >
> >
> > Don't mean to make a problem for you, just seems more than a few people will
> > try to use XP native to unzip it, not be able to, & give up. I'm not
> > familiar with Directory Opus, but looking at their website I wonder if
> > maybe you accidentaly left encryption on as a default? Probably not, just
> > occured to me from their online doc:
> >
> > "Ask for encryption and compression settings when copying files into ZIP
> > files:
> > This option selects whether Opus should prompt you for settings whenever you
> > copy files into the ZIP archive."
> >
> > Dan
>
> I'm not on my home machine right now.
> But, if there was some encryption, dragging the contents wouldn't extract
> them,
> would it?
>
> CChris
Sorry, not sure what you mean; what I'm wildly guessing is maybe you have
a default option that encrypts files as you zip them, and that could be why
when WinXP tries to unzip them it asks for the password to decrypt. After
a moments thought, however, I would think you'd be asked for a password
FOR the encryption if that default encryption was happening, so maybe I'm
barking up the wrong tree. Oh, maybe you meant that you've TESTED your zip
by unzipping it with the Directory Opus, and got no request for password?
Yeah, if that's the case, it would seem it's NOT being encrypted.
Mike, Matt, thanks, I've seen the threads that mention other utilities to
unzip user contributions, I was just saying, as Don mentioned, that many
people may just be using WinXP native unzip, so it might be good to make
sure contribs can be unzipped by it. I guess at worst case, a general
mention of various other unzip utilities could be included on contribs page
or any individual contribs with known problem unzipping could make their
own reference to various unzip utilities in their description?
Dan
9. Re: WinXP zip password problem (was: Re: graph.ew)
Lucius L. Hilley III wrote:
>
> Mike777 wrote:
> >
> >
> > Remember, it unzips just fine in 7-zip.
> >
> > Mike
>
> That's nice. I use WinRar. I don't like 7-zip's interface at all.
>
> Lucius L. Hilley III - Unkmar
I looked at 7-zip and found it disconcertingly confusing, maybe I'm just
used to the WinZip I used to use. :)
Dan
10. Re: WinXP zip password problem (was: Re: graph.ew)
Greg Haberek wrote:
>
> > > Remember, it unzips just fine in 7-zip.
> >
> > That's nice. I use WinRar. I don't like 7-zip's interface at all.
>
> Really? I can't stand WinRar. I got to the point where I couldn't stand
> anything
> but WinZip, so I paid for a full license. I love WinZip. It's one of the few
> Win32 apps that I feel works as expected, and without issue.
>
> Of course, now I run Linux so I just use tar/gzip. :-p
>
> -Greg
Heh, as long as we're dishing on zip packages...
99% of the time I use Windows XP's built-in zip/unzip. I don't like WinZip
hardly at all. It's installed on my work computers and I often have to tell zip
files just to open up with XP's built-in utility.
That said, I also use 7-Zip especially for compressing and decompressing very
large files (backups), and for non-zip archives.
--
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple
system that works.
--John Gall's 15th law of Systemantics.
"Premature optimization is the root of all evil in programming."
--C.A.R. Hoare
j.
11. Re: WinXP zip password problem (was: Re: graph.ew)
> On 2 Jun 2008 at 5:37, Lucius L. Hilley III wrote (maybe snipped):
> Mike777 wrote:
> >
> >
> > Remember, it unzips just fine in 7-zip.
> >
> > Mike
>
> That's nice. I use WinRar. I don't like 7-zip's interface at all.
>
We share same choices. Though 7-zip can compress certain files a bit
further it can't match WinRAR speed. Anyway, the price is just right.
;)
--
_
_| euler f german
_| sete lagoas, mg, brazil
_| efgerman{AT}gmail{DOT}com
12. Re: WinXP zip password problem (was: Re: graph.ew)
You could try http://www.ultimatezip.com
Bernie
My files in archive:
WMOTOR, XMOTOR, W32ENGIN, MIXEDLIB, EU_ENGIN, WIN32ERU, WIN32API
Can be downloaded here:
http://www.rapideuphoria.com/cgi-bin/asearch.exu?dos=on&win=on&lnx=on&gen=on&keywords=bernie+ryan
13. Re: WinXP zip password problem (was: Re: graph.ew)
Lucius L. Hilley III wrote:
>
> Mike777 wrote:
> >
> >
> > Remember, it unzips just fine in 7-zip.
> >
> > Mike
>
> That's nice. I use WinRar. I don't like 7-zip's interface at all.
You stripped the meaning from my reply by eliminating what I was responding to.
All I was saying was that there is no way on this green earth that the
suggestion regarding encryption could be valid. If something is encrypted then
it would not open in any utility. WinZIP, 7-zip, monkey-zip or fiddley-zip.
Mike777
14. Re: WinXP zip password problem (was: Re: graph.ew)
Dan Moyer wrote:
>
> I looked at 7-zip and found it disconcertingly confusing, maybe I'm just
> used to the WinZip I used to use. :)
I mostly use the context menus in explorer. Right click, 7-Zip, Extract, etc.
If you open up an archive into the GUI, it's not as nice as WinZip, but
you can alse create tar/gz/bzip/7z archives easily.
Matt
15. Re: WinXP zip password problem (was: Re: graph.ew)
Dan Moyer wrote:
>
> CChris wrote:
> >
> > Dan Moyer wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Don't mean to make a problem for you, just seems more than a few people
> > > will
> > > try to use XP native to unzip it, not be able to, & give up. I'm not
> > > familiar with Directory Opus, but looking at their website I wonder if
> > > maybe you accidentaly left encryption on as a default? Probably not, just
> > > occured to me from their online doc:
> > >
> > > "Ask for encryption and compression settings when copying files into ZIP
> > > files:
> > > This option selects whether Opus should prompt you for settings whenever
> > > you
> > > copy files into the ZIP archive."
> > >
> > > Dan
> >
> > I'm not on my home machine right now.
> > But, if there was some encryption, dragging the contents wouldn't extract
> > them,
> > would it?
> >
> > CChris
>
> Sorry, not sure what you mean; what I'm wildly guessing is maybe you have
> a default option that encrypts files as you zip them, and that could be why
> when WinXP tries to unzip them it asks for the password to decrypt. After
> a moments thought, however, I would think you'd be asked for a password
> FOR the encryption if that default encryption was happening, so maybe I'm
> barking up the wrong tree. Oh, maybe you meant that you've TESTED your zip
> by unzipping it with the Directory Opus, and got no request for password?
> Yeah, if that's the case, it would seem it's NOT being encrypted.
>
Even better: other users (like K. Mertenson) reported being asked for a
password, but could view the contents and drag them out.
CChris
> Mike, Matt, thanks, I've seen the threads that mention other utilities to
> unzip user contributions, I was just saying, as Don mentioned, that many
> people may just be using WinXP native unzip, so it might be good to make
> sure contribs can be unzipped by it. I guess at worst case, a general
> mention of various other unzip utilities could be included on contribs page
> or any individual contribs with known problem unzipping could make their
> own reference to various unzip utilities in their description?
>
> Dan
16. Re: WinXP zip password problem (was: Re: graph.ew)
- Posted by don cole <doncole at pacbe?l.n?t>
Jun 02, 2008
-
Last edited Jun 03, 2008
Dan Moyer wrote:
>
> CChris wrote:
> >
> > Dan Moyer wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Don't mean to make a problem for you, just seems more than a few people
> > > will
> > > try to use XP native to unzip it, not be able to, & give up. I'm not
> > > familiar with Directory Opus, but looking at their website I wonder if
> > > maybe you accidentaly left encryption on as a default? Probably not, just
> > > occured to me from their online doc:
> > >
> > > "Ask for encryption and compression settings when copying files into ZIP
> > > files:
> > > This option selects whether Opus should prompt you for settings whenever
> > > you
> > > copy files into the ZIP archive."
> > >
> > > Dan
> >
> > I'm not on my home machine right now.
> > But, if there was some encryption, dragging the contents wouldn't extract
> > them,
> > would it?
> >
> > CChris
>
> Sorry, not sure what you mean; what I'm wildly guessing is maybe you have
> a default option that encrypts files as you zip them, and that could be why
> when WinXP tries to unzip them it asks for the password to decrypt. After
> a moments thought, however, I would think you'd be asked for a password
> FOR the encryption if that default encryption was happening, so maybe I'm
> barking up the wrong tree. Oh, maybe you meant that you've TESTED your zip
> by unzipping it with the Directory Opus, and got no request for password?
> Yeah, if that's the case, it would seem it's NOT being encrypted.
>
> Mike, Matt, thanks, I've seen the threads that mention other utilities to
> unzip user contributions, I was just saying, as Don mentioned, that many
> people may just be using WinXP native unzip, so it might be good to make
> sure contribs can be unzipped by it. I guess at worst case, a general
> mention of various other unzip utilities could be included on contribs page
> or any individual contribs with known problem unzipping could make their
> own reference to various unzip utilities in their description?
>
> Dan
I've used WinZip for the last 2o years and never had any problem with it.
Diffderent versions of course.
This WinXP native unzip I've never seen although I have WinXP. I would like to
know more about it.
For long files I do use PAR and RAR files. QuickPar seems to work find and is
free.
I vote that Archives only use WinZip which I believe is the most common.
I doubt there are any files in the Archives long enough to warrant RAR/PAR
encryption.
That concludes my 2 cents for today.
Don Cole
17. Re: WinXP zip password problem (was: Re: graph.ew)
don cole wrote:
> I've used WinZip for the last 2o years and never had any problem with it.
> Diffderent versions of course.
>
> This WinXP native unzip I've never seen although I have WinXP. I would like
> to know more about it.
>
> For long files I do use PAR and RAR files. QuickPar seems to work find and
> is free.
>
> I vote that Archives only use WinZip which I believe is the most common.
>
> I doubt there are any files in the Archives long enough to warrant RAR/PAR
> encryption.
>
> That concludes my 2 cents for today.
I think it is fundamentally inconsistent with an Open Source project to use or
require a tool which is not free when a perfectly good one is available and,
based on all accounts, is actually superior in performance (if not usability)
than the pay version.
I have no sympathy for a user having to download a new piece of free software
which enhances the usability of his system, even if he does already have a for
pay piece of software that he considers "good enough".
I vote for 7-zip and let the bytes fall where they may. Friendlier sorts can
vote for an explanatory message indicating the flaws associated with commonly
available tools other than the one in use.
Mike
18. Re: WinXP zip password problem (was: Re: graph.ew)
Bernie Ryan wrote:
>
>
> You could try <a
> href="http://www.ultimatezip.com">http://www.ultimatezip.com</a>
>
>
> Bernie
>
Just a heads-up:
McAfee Site Advisor says of this website:
ultimatezip.com
When we tested this site we found links to goldsofts.com, which we found to be a
distributor of downloads some people consider adware, spyware or other
potentially unwanted programs.
Dan
19. Re: WinXP zip password problem (was: Re: graph.ew)
don cole wrote:
>
> Dan Moyer wrote:
> >
> > CChris wrote:
> > >
> > > Dan Moyer wrote:
> > > >
<snip>
>
> I've used WinZip for the last 2o years and never had any problem with it.
> Diffderent versions of course.
>
> This WinXP native unzip I've never seen although I have WinXP. I would like
> to know more about it.
Don,
here's what I mean by "native" WinXP unzip:
If I right-click on a zip "folder" under WindowsXP Windows Explorer,
I get a menu which includes "scan for viruses" (which I always user FIRST)
and "Extract All..."; clicking on Extract All brings up the native XP
unzipper "Wizard".
Dan
20. Re: WinXP zip password problem (was: Re: graph.ew)
CChris wrote:
>
> Dan Moyer wrote:
> >
> > CChris wrote:
> > >
> > > Dan Moyer wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
<snip>
> > > CChris wrote:
> > > I'm not on my home machine right now.
> > > But, if there was some encryption, dragging the contents wouldn't extract
> > > them,
> > > would it?
> > >
> > > CChris
> >
<snip>
>
> Even better: other users (like K. Mertenson) reported being asked for a
> password,
> but could view the contents and drag them out.
>
> CChris
>
This seems to work just fine. Maybe include with the lib description
something like, "if asked for password, OPEN the zipped folder and drag
contents to your desired folder to unzip".
Dan
21. Re: WinXP zip password problem (was: Re: graph.ew)
Mike777 wrote:
>
> I think it is fundamentally inconsistent with an Open Source project to use
> or require a tool which is not free when a perfectly good one is available
> and,
> based on all accounts, is actually superior in performance (if not usability)
> than the pay version.
>
> I have no sympathy for a user having to download a new piece of free software
> which enhances the usability of his system, even if he does already have a for
> pay piece of software that he considers "good enough".
>
> I vote for 7-zip and let the bytes fall where they may. Friendlier sorts can
> vote for an explanatory message indicating the flaws associated with commonly
> available tools other than the one in use.
>
> Mike
That'l Be The Day Suggestion (Plan 9 from you know where):
Open Source project consistency recomendation. Since gnu utilities such as
tar and gzip are also available under windows, use them to compress and
zip files. Bingo! Seamless cross-platform functionality for a cross-platform
language. A a wxWindow GUI shell could be provided as a demo for the wxWindow
library.
Ken Rhodes
Folding at Home: http://folding.stanford.edu/
100% MicroSoft Free
SuSE Linux 10.3
No AdWare, SpyWare, or Viruses!
Life is Good, 
22. Re: WinXP zip password problem (was: Re: graph.ew)
Dan Moyer wrote:
>
> CChris wrote:
> >
> > Dan Moyer wrote:
> > >
> > > CChris wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dan Moyer wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> <snip>
>
> > > > CChris wrote:
> > > > I'm not on my home machine right now.
> > > > But, if there was some encryption, dragging the contents wouldn't
> > > > extract them,
> > > > would it?
> > > >
> > > > CChris
> > >
>
> <snip>
>
> >
> > Even better: other users (like K. Mertenson) reported being asked for a
> > password,
> > but could view the contents and drag them out.
> >
> > CChris
> >
>
> This seems to work just fine. Maybe include with the lib description
> something like, "if asked for password, OPEN the zipped folder and drag
> contents to your desired folder to unzip".
>
> Dan
I emailed Don some samples of zip files, and hopefully we can pinpoint where the
problem is.
Another possibility is that the data structure (one single folder, with child
folders and files - could be an issue. More tests needed.
CChris
23. Re: WinXP zip password problem (was: Re: graph.ew)
Kenneth Rhodes wrote:
>
> Mike777 wrote:
>
> >
> > I think it is fundamentally inconsistent with an Open Source project to use
> > or require a tool which is not free when a perfectly good one is available
> > and,
> > based on all accounts, is actually superior in performance (if not
> > usability)
> > than the pay version.
> >
> > I have no sympathy for a user having to download a new piece of free
> > software
> > which enhances the usability of his system, even if he does already have a
> > for
> > pay piece of software that he considers "good enough".
> >
> > I vote for 7-zip and let the bytes fall where they may. Friendlier sorts
> > can
> > vote for an explanatory message indicating the flaws associated with
> > commonly
> > available tools other than the one in use.
> >
> > Mike
>
> That'l Be The Day Suggestion (Plan 9 from you know where):
>
> Open Source project consistency recomendation. Since gnu utilities such as
> tar and gzip are also available under windows, use them to compress and
> zip files. Bingo! Seamless cross-platform functionality for a > cross-platform
> language.
As long as the resulting files are expected to be expandable by a properly
functioning expansion routine built into the Win operating systems (and therefore
also expandable by clones such as WinZip and 7-zip) I see no problem with using
either tar or gzip. If I recall correctly, the primary difference is that a
tarred file will, by design, expand into its own folder which, when expanded from
there, create yet a second top-level folder. At least that is the way that the
drupal folks set it up. It may be that such a redundant layering is not
necessary. But I seem to recall (since it has been a while) that the files are
stored in .tar format and 7-zip unzips them effortlessly. I would assume that
the built in routine within Win does, too.
> A a wxWindow GUI shell could be provided as a demo for the wxWindow
> library.
I'm sure this follows directly from the above. I just don't see it, though.
Mike
24. Re: WinXP zip password problem (was: Re: graph.ew)
- Posted by don cole <doncole at pacbell.?et>
Jun 03, 2008
-
Last edited Jun 04, 2008
Hello CChris.
I did get two e-mails from you but neither contained any list of files.
Don Cole
25. Re: WinXP zip password problem (was: Re: graph.ew)
- Posted by tip <nedmark57 at yaho?.co?>
Jun 03, 2008
-
Last edited Jun 04, 2008
To Don cole: I just had exactly the same problem with the native unzipper in
XP Home,sp2. It asked for a password to unzip win32lib!! I was then told to
use,instead,7zip. I downloaded that and had no problems with passwords.
Tip
nedmark57 at yahoo.com
26. Re: WinXP zip password problem (was: Re: graph.ew)
don cole wrote:
>
> Hello CChris.
>
> I did get two e-mails from you but neither contained any list of files.
>
> Don Cole
Are you sure your attachments are properly displayed? I really joined 4 files
(the same) to each.
Any alt address where I could try again?
CChris
27. Re: WinXP zip password problem (was: Re: graph.ew)
- Posted by don cole <doncole at ?acbel?.net>
Jun 04, 2008
-
Last edited Jun 05, 2008
CChris wrote:
>
> don cole wrote:
> >
> > Hello CChris.
> >
> > I did get two e-mails from you but neither contained any list of files.
> >
> > Don Cole
>
> Are you sure your attachments are properly displayed? I really joined 4 files
> (the same) to each.
> Any alt address where I could try again?
>
> CChris
Hello CChris,
I'm sorry on the first one I did get the attachments.
Now you want me test what file in the archives?
You could email me privately if you wish.
Don Cole
