1. I'm Taking Over Euphoria
That's it...
I'm sick and tired of breast-feading kids trying to
make a reputation by saying they are me and then
totally get it wrong...
What I'm talking about is Euphoria projects being
created inspired by my own projects, yet totally
getting it wrong.
Take Euphoria To C for example...
I ran eu.ex, the Euphoria Interpreter by David Cuny
and pointed it to Shell.ex...
15 sorts per second...
Then I compile it to C and repeat the process...
30 sorts per second...
Man, if that interpreter were written in C it would
run at 1000 sorts per second!
And this is the case for all benchmarks I try...
Like compiling Shell.ex; I get twice the amount of
sorts, WOAAH!! LET GO PORT HALF LIFE TO EUPHORIA
NOW!!!
Man, a shell sort benchmark written in C is 10 times
faster than once written in Euphoria, not 2.
And then there's the fact that I came to this list
with U4IA++...
And now when I abbandoned the projec, I still get
people mailing me asking to release it..
Like Grape Vine who is in need of my C2E.exe; If I had
released U4IA++, he would be able to get along with
his work.
Since U4IA++ has a built-in C interpreter.
That's how it works.
There is no 'U4IA++ Interpreter', there's only a
U4IA++ To C Translator, who is also bound to a C
interpreter to make a U4IA++ Interpreter.
It was only a month before I abbandoned the project
that I started work on a rael U4IA++ interpreter,
because I designed an interpretation method making
interpreted program run faster than any compiled
program out there (thanks to dynamic recompilation in
the interpreter core, and Task-Oriented Regeneration).
So to make a long stroy short; Rob had Euphoria for
almost 8 years and I never saw a Euphoria program in
the stores.
Now it's my turn.
I will blow new life into U4IA++, even with the
knowledge that no one will publish it now that I quit
my job.
I can publish it on my own, but I'd need money first.
I will take U4IA++ to new grounds, in that I will
develop it further with the input of Euphoria
programmers, such as yourself.
I have always worked on projects with the goal of
producing something THE PEOPLE want, not what *I*
want.
My motto is "Make it good, make it cheap, make it
fast".
You won't be bugging for Feature X in U4IA++ or
Feature
Y, because you will need three months to recover from
what you have allready seen.
I will dig up and restyle my old Standard Library
Files, wich provide multiplatform GUI, 3D graphics,
multimedia, networking and database support.
Many of these routines have being converted to U4IA++
from C automatically.
And, I will rethink the price.
2000 dollars was a good price for a product endorsed
by L&H, but right now nobody is gonna pay that much
for a product by a guy called "Mike The Spike".
Maybe 200 dollars would cut it? Considering it's more
powerfull than Visual Studio (allthough even QBasic is
more powerfull than Visual Studio :p).
You will be coding Gameboy games, Playstation,
Dreamcast, Linux, DOS32, Windows 95/98/2000/ME, Mac,
BeOS, SGI and any other platforms I didn't mention,
programs in Euphoria, with just a tad of new language
enhancements to make it '++'.
So people, buy Euphoria from RDS while you still can,
because MTS is back on the block to kick some serious
coder ass.
Mike The Spike
PS. Tip: Before NightShade became a Natural Language,
it wasn't realy an assembly language, because a tiny
spark in my mind decided to make it a Euphoria clone
based on U4IA++, with C data types and a compiler and
interpreter. I called this language 'Gothic
NightShade'.
It might be more powerfull if I change U4IA++ syntax
to this NightShade clone syntax, because it maps to C
with a 1-1 ratio, and is twice as fast as handcoded C
in many cases, something U4IA++ is not. It's all up to
you, remeber, you have input in this project this time around!
2. Re: I'm Taking Over Euphoria
>That's it...
>I'm sick and tired of breast-feading kids trying to
>make a reputation by saying they are me and then
>totally get it wrong...
Oohhh god no! -You're a Transsexual too???!!
3. Re: I'm Taking Over Euphoria
--- Mike Bohlen <signs2 at HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
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>
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> >That's it...
> >I'm sick and tired of breast-feading kids trying to
> >make a reputation by saying they are me and then
> >totally get it wrong...
>
> Oohhh god no! -You're a Transsexual too???!!
No.
See, I'm straight, and I said people try to imitate me
and then get it wrong.
Like you for example, who tried to imitate me by
calling himself Mike and then chopping off his
needledick.
YOU GOT IT WRONG!
Mike The Spike
4. Re: I'm Taking Over Euphoria
--- Mike Bohlen <signs2 at HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
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>
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> >That's it...
> >I'm sick and tired of breast-feading kids trying to
> >make a reputation by saying they are me and then
> >totally get it wrong...
>
> Oohhh god no! -You're a Transsexual too???!!
>
No, see, I said people try to imitate me and get it
wrong.
Since I am straight, you tried to imitate me by
calling yourself Mike and chopping off your
needledick.
YOU GOT IT WRONG!!
Mike The Spike
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>
5. Re: I'm Taking Over Euphoria
>From: Mike The Spike <mtsreborn at yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: EUforum at topica.com
>To: EUforum at topica.com
>Subject: I'm Taking Over Euphoria
>Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 12:13:00 -0800
>
>That's it...
>I'm sick and tired of breast-feading kids trying to
>make a reputation by saying they are me and then
>totally get it wrong...
>
>What I'm talking about is Euphoria projects being
>created inspired by my own projects, yet totally
>getting it wrong.
>Take Euphoria To C for example...
>I ran eu.ex, the Euphoria Interpreter by David Cuny
>and pointed it to Shell.ex...
>15 sorts per second...
>Then I compile it to C and repeat the process...
>30 sorts per second...
>
>Man, if that interpreter were written in C it would
>run at 1000 sorts per second!
>
>And this is the case for all benchmarks I try...
>Like compiling Shell.ex; I get twice the amount of
>sorts, WOAAH!! LET GO PORT HALF LIFE TO EUPHORIA
>NOW!!!
>Man, a shell sort benchmark written in C is 10 times
>faster than once written in Euphoria, not 2.
>
>And then there's the fact that I came to this list
>with U4IA++...
>And now when I abbandoned the projec, I still get
>people mailing me asking to release it..
>Like Grape Vine who is in need of my C2E.exe; If I had
>released U4IA++, he would be able to get along with
>his work.
>Since U4IA++ has a built-in C interpreter.
>That's how it works.
>There is no 'U4IA++ Interpreter', there's only a
>U4IA++ To C Translator, who is also bound to a C
>interpreter to make a U4IA++ Interpreter.
>It was only a month before I abbandoned the project
>that I started work on a rael U4IA++ interpreter,
>because I designed an interpretation method making
>interpreted program run faster than any compiled
>program out there (thanks to dynamic recompilation in
>the interpreter core, and Task-Oriented Regeneration).
>
>So to make a long stroy short; Rob had Euphoria for
>almost 8 years and I never saw a Euphoria program in
>the stores.
>Now it's my turn.
>
>I will blow new life into U4IA++, even with the
>knowledge that no one will publish it now that I quit
>my job.
>I can publish it on my own, but I'd need money first.
>
>I will take U4IA++ to new grounds, in that I will
>develop it further with the input of Euphoria
>programmers, such as yourself.
>
>I have always worked on projects with the goal of
>producing something THE PEOPLE want, not what *I*
>want.
>My motto is "Make it good, make it cheap, make it
>fast".
>
>You won't be bugging for Feature X in U4IA++ or
>Feature
>Y, because you will need three months to recover from
>what you have allready seen.
>
>I will dig up and restyle my old Standard Library
>Files, wich provide multiplatform GUI, 3D graphics,
>multimedia, networking and database support.
>Many of these routines have being converted to U4IA++
>from C automatically.
>
>And, I will rethink the price.
>2000 dollars was a good price for a product endorsed
>by L&H, but right now nobody is gonna pay that much
>for a product by a guy called "Mike The Spike".
>Maybe 200 dollars would cut it? Considering it's more
>powerfull than Visual Studio (allthough even QBasic is
>more powerfull than Visual Studio :p).
>
>You will be coding Gameboy games, Playstation,
>Dreamcast, Linux, DOS32, Windows 95/98/2000/ME, Mac,
>BeOS, SGI and any other platforms I didn't mention,
>programs in Euphoria, with just a tad of new language
>enhancements to make it '++'.
>
>So people, buy Euphoria from RDS while you still can,
>because MTS is back on the block to kick some serious
>coder ass.
>
>
>Mike The Spike
>PS. Tip: Before NightShade became a Natural Language,
>it wasn't realy an assembly language, because a tiny
>spark in my mind decided to make it a Euphoria clone
>based on U4IA++, with C data types and a compiler and
>interpreter. I called this language 'Gothic
>NightShade'.
>It might be more powerfull if I change U4IA++ syntax
>to this NightShade clone syntax, because it maps to C
>with a 1-1 ratio, and is twice as fast as handcoded C
>in many cases, something U4IA++ is not. It's all up to
>you, remeber, you have input in this project this time around!
If you (MTS) could make a translator, compiler, interpreter or anything
that's twice as fast as hand-coded C, I would love to see it. You could
make a heck of a lot of money from that.
The truth is, it's all hype and no results.
>I have always worked on projects with the goal of
>producing something THE PEOPLE want, not what *I*
>want.
"The People" Want real programs, not trash-talk.
BTW how happy would Rob be about all this?
What about that super-fast Eu compiler you called Turbo-Euphoria?
For starters, how many people are going to buy an Eu clone for $200 when the
genuine RDS full version costs less than $50? I would love to be
programming for playstation or PS2 in Euphoria. I will believe it when I
start to see some results.
I don't want to see this project abandoned like others you have talked
about.
If you could successfully "Take over Euphoria" then let's see you doo it.
Daryl
