1. Submitting Euphoria to Download Sites
- Posted by Robert Craig <rds at RapidEuphoria.com>
Apr 14, 2005
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Last edited Apr 15, 2005
If anyone is interested in submitting Euphoria 2.5
to their favorite software download site, it
may help to know the address of Euphoria's "PAD" file:
http://www.rapideuphoria.com/euphoria_pad.xml
A PAD file is a quick and easy way to submit a program.
Most software sites support it.
In many cases you just have to give the URL of the PAD file.
Sometimes they also ask you for the category to place the
program, e.g. "Interpreters & Compilers", "Programming" etc.
You should probably search the site first to see if they
already have 2.5. I've done a lot of English-language sites,
but I know there are lots that I've missed. Some of the
non-English sites won't accept a program unless it has
a description in the desired language.
Thanks,
Rob Craig
Rapid Deployment Software
http://www.RapidEuphoria.com
2. Re: Submitting Euphoria to Download Sites
Robert Craig wrote:
> If anyone is interested in submitting Euphoria 2.5
> to their favorite software download site, it
> may help to know the address of Euphoria's "PAD" file:
>
> http://www.rapideuphoria.com/euphoria_pad.xml
>
> A PAD file is a quick and easy way to submit a program.
> Most software sites support it.
> In many cases you just have to give the URL of the PAD file.
> Sometimes they also ask you for the category to place the
> program, e.g. "Interpreters & Compilers", "Programming" etc.
>
> You should probably search the site first to see if they
> already have 2.5. I've done a lot of English-language sites,
> but I know there are lots that I've missed. Some of the
> non-English sites won't accept a program unless it has
> a description in the desired language.
Of course RDS cannot take care of all countries/languages.
I have looked at 19 German Download Sites (several of them are
associated with a computer magazine). The Euphoria programming language
was only listed on 1 site, and only in English <http://www.zdnet.de/>
(I assume, they just copied that entry from their English site).
( On one German site I found a "Euphoria" screen saver. )
So I translated the <English> ... </English> section of Euphoria's PAD
file to German, and sent it back to RDS. Then I announced Euphoria at
the remaining 18 Download Sites and at 1 computer magazine that doesn't
have a download site, but comes with two software CD-ROMs each month.
One or two days later Euphoria was ready for download on several of
these sites, and currently -- just after a few days -- the number of
downloads from them amounts to more than 250.
Also when 'googling' for "euphoria" (language = German), the results
already have significantly changed, and certainly will continue to
change, when Google has recognized the latest entries, and when some of
the remaining sites also have listed Euphoria.
Dear Euphorians, I'd like to encourage you to do something similar
concerning your country/language. As you see, it's worth the effort, and
I think we all would have a benefit, when Euphoria will become more
widespread.
Regards,
Juergen
3. Re: Submitting Euphoria to Download Sites
Juergen Luethje wrote:
> Of course RDS cannot take care of all countries/languages.
>
> I have looked at 19 German Download Sites (several of them are
> associated with a computer magazine). The Euphoria programming language
> was only listed on 1 site, and only in English <<a
> href="http://www.zdnet.de/">http://www.zdnet.de/</a>>
> (I assume, they just copied that entry from their English site).
> ( On one German site I found a "Euphoria" screen saver. )
>
> So I translated the <English> ... </English> section of Euphoria's PAD
> file to German, and sent it back to RDS. Then I announced Euphoria at
> the remaining 18 Download Sites and at 1 computer magazine that doesn't
> have a download site, but comes with two software CD-ROMs each month.
>
> One or two days later Euphoria was ready for download on several of
> these sites, and currently -- just after a few days -- the number of
> downloads from them amounts to more than 250.
> Also when 'googling' for "euphoria" (language = German), the results
> already have significantly changed, and certainly will continue to
> change, when Google has recognized the latest entries, and when some of
> the remaining sites also have listed Euphoria.
>
> Dear Euphorians, I'd like to encourage you to do something similar
> concerning your country/language. As you see, it's worth the effort, and
> I think we all would have a benefit, when Euphoria will become more
> widespread.
>
> Regards,
> Juergen
This brings up a very intresting question. Should we get an "onslaught" of
germans onto the EuForum List, are we gonna be able to offer translations
of everyone's messages on the list, or is someone gonna be able to handle
setting up a German Message board, and various other languages, in order to
help thoes who are in need of help? If the solution choosen is the latter,
I'm more then certian the ones that setup the other language message boards,
can more then repeat the question on here, so that we can answer in return.
Mario Steele
http://enchantedblade.trilake.net
Attaining World Dominiation, one byte at a time...
4. Re: Submitting Euphoria to Download Sites
Mario Steele wrote:
> Juergen Luethje wrote:
[making propaganda for Euphoria in Germany]
> This brings up a very intresting question. Should we get an "onslaught" of
> germans onto the EuForum List,
> are we gonna be able to offer translations
> of everyone's messages on the list, or is someone gonna be able to handle
> setting up a German Message board, and various other languages, in order to
> help thoes who are in need of help?
IMHO as long as there is no German/Spanish/French etc. translation of
the Euphoria documentation, Eu programmers will have to be able to speak
some English anyway.
What about Russian? Igor, didn't you translate the complete docs to
Russian?
> If the solution choosen is the latter,
> I'm more then certian the ones that setup the other language message boards,
> can more then repeat the question on here, so that we can answer in return.
<dream>
In the long term, when there are actually many Eu programmers with
mother tongue X, then a translation of the docs to that language as well
as a message bord in that language would be a good idea IMHO.
I agree that on those message boards very, very probably there will be
some English speaking people, who can hold contact to the "headquarters"
here.
</dream>
Regards,
Juergen
5. Re: Submitting Euphoria to Download Sites
Hi Juergen,
You wrote:
[snip]
> IMHO as long as there is no German/Spanish/French etc. translation of
> the Euphoria documentation, Eu programmers will have to be able to speak
> some English anyway.
> What about Russian? Igor, didn't you translate the complete docs to
> Russian?
Yes, there is the complete docs in Russian for 2.3 plus some docs for 2.5
to see main changes.
I am in process of updateing the full package of Russian docs for 2.5 and
Russian section of RDS site on every day basis. That my work is not very
fast, I'm working on 100% Russian Euphoria 2.5 language too.
It is near the alpha version. Works ok on any mix of English and Russian
keywords, builtins, lib routines. Understands identifiers in any language
- unlimited alphabet for 128..255 chars.
I have several thanks from my Russian users for these things.
In Russian schools and universities, students learn Turbo Pascal or Oberon
(BlackBox)(now), this is a common practice, so studends have no too big
spare
time to learn something very interesting like to Euphoria programming
language
[snip]
Regards,
Igor Kachan
kinz at peterlink.ru
6. Re: Submitting Euphoria to Download Sites
Hi Igor,
you wrote:
> Hi Juergen,
>
> You wrote:
<snip>
>> What about Russian? Igor, didn't you translate the complete docs to
>> Russian?
>
> Yes, there is the complete docs in Russian for 2.3 plus some docs for 2.5
> to see main changes.
> I am in process of updateing the full package of Russian docs for 2.5 and
> Russian section of RDS site on every day basis.
I assume this is for people who don't speak English, isn't it? How did
they learn to know Euphoria? Is Euphoria available on Russian Download
Sites? Is there something like a Russian Euphoria community?
> That my work is not very
> fast, I'm working on 100% Russian Euphoria 2.5 language too.
> It is near the alpha version. Works ok on any mix of English and Russian
> keywords, builtins, lib routines. Understands identifiers in any language
> - unlimited alphabet for 128..255 chars.
Why? Are the standard 7 bit ASCII characters -- which are normally used for
the identifiers -- not available on Russion operating systems?
<snip>
Regards,
Juergen
7. Re: Submitting Euphoria to Download Sites
Juergen Luethje wrote:
> Hi Igor,
>
> you wrote:
>
> > Hi Juergen,
> >
> > You wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> >> What about Russian? Igor, didn't you translate the complete docs to
> >> Russian?
> >
> > Yes, there is the complete docs in Russian for 2.3 plus some docs for
2.5
> > to see main changes.
> > I am in process of updateing the full package of Russian docs
> > for 2.5 and Russian section of RDS site on every day basis.
>
> I assume this is for people who don't speak English, isn't it?
Yes, mainly, but many people who do speak English very well,
like to read the docs translated into Russian too - for better
understanding. English is good, but Russian is better 
> How did they learn to know Euphoria?
Via Internet, there is no another way for now.
My private site is registered on the main Russian search engine -
www.rambler.ru. I had registered it years ago.
> Is Euphoria available on Russian Download Sites?
No, I think. People use VB and VC at work to be compatible with MS
products. But there are Russian mirrors of sourceforge - say, we can
download Matt's wxEuphoria from Moscow site.
> Is there something like a Russian Euphoria community?
No, there is not. But I answer any questions about Euphoria in Russian with
pleasure from my private e-mail address. Sometimes, it is very active work.
>From time to time there are the questions in Russia, yes.
At my home phone too.
> > That my work is not very
> > fast, I'm working on 100% Russian Euphoria 2.5 language too.
> > It is near the alpha version. Works ok on any mix of English and
> > Russian keywords, builtins, lib routines. Understands identifiers
> > in any language - unlimited alphabet for 128..255 chars.
>
> Why? Are the standard 7 bit ASCII characters -- which are normally used
> for the identifiers -- not available on Russion operating systems?
They are fully available, sure.
But all Russian chars are in 128..255 range. Imagine yourself writing your
program in Russian.
Then imagine some Russian kid writing his program in English. We need learn
English first, then to program. With Russian keywords we can program in
Russian.
That BlackBox allows the Russian identifiers with some restriction.
Modified Euphoria allows not only user's identifiers, but Russian
builtins and lib routines, and keywords now.
It is very handy thing - to program 100% in your native language
under Euphoria rules.
I have ed.ex now 100% in Russian.
It works and gives me great Euphoria
Regards,
Igor Kachan
kinz at peterlink.ru
