1. What pushes you away from Euphoria?
1. Speed
2. Syntax-Sequences
3. Standard Libraries
4. Rob's infamously glacial speed of change to Euphoria(ripped that from Irv
and Chris, sorry 
)
5. Various design problems(as seen by you, not necessarily Rob or others)
6. The User Community(If you counted the # of flamewars on here it is... lots
.)
7. The way Rob ignores suggestions to improve Euphoria
8. The RDS website(I hate... well, dislike it)
9. Ed
10. All of the above
11. Other
I'll add in that my personal opinion is:
10, excluding 1 & 6. I really could care less about the interpreter speed, and
the way it is used by Rob as a crutch for negative responses to adding to
Euphoria disgusts me.
Jeremy
2. Re: What pushes you away from Euphoria?
Jeremy Peterson wrote:
>
> 1. Speed
> 2. Syntax-Sequences
> 3. Standard Libraries
> 4. Rob's infamously glacial speed of change to Euphoria(ripped that from Irv
> and Chris, sorry )
> 5. Various design problems(as seen by you, not necessarily Rob or others)
> 6. The User Community(If you counted the # of flamewars on here it is... lots
> .)
> 7. The way Rob ignores suggestions to improve Euphoria
> 8. The RDS website(I hate... well, dislike it)
> 9. Ed
> 10. All of the above
> 11. Other
3, 4 & 7
JG
3. Re: What pushes you away from Euphoria?
- Posted by akusaya at gmx.net
Aug 06, 2006
> 1. Speed
> 2. Syntax-Sequences
> 3. Standard Libraries
> 4. Rob's infamously glacial speed of change to Euphoria(ripped
> that from Irv and Chris, sorry )
> 5. Various design problems(as seen by you, not necessarily Rob or others)
> 6. The User Community(If you counted the # of flamewars on here it is... lots
> .)
> 7. The way Rob ignores suggestions to improve Euphoria
> 8. The RDS website(I hate... well, dislike it)
> 9. Ed
> 10. All of the above
> 11. Other
3, 4, 5, 7, 9
4. Re: What pushes you away from Euphoria?
- Posted by ags <eu at 531pi.co.nz>
Aug 06, 2006
Jeremy Peterson wrote:
>
> 1. Speed
> 2. Syntax-Sequences
> 3. Standard Libraries
> 4. Rob's infamously glacial speed of change to Euphoria(ripped that from Irv
> and Chris, sorry )
> 5. Various design problems(as seen by you, not necessarily Rob or others)
> 6. The User Community(If you counted the # of flamewars on here it is... lots
> .)
> 7. The way Rob ignores suggestions to improve Euphoria
> 8. The RDS website(I hate... well, dislike it)
> 9. Ed
> 10. All of the above
> 11. Other
11, None. Otherwise I wouldn't be here. :)
5. Re: What pushes you away from Euphoria?
Jeremy Peterson wrote:
>
> 1. Speed
> 2. Syntax-Sequences
> 3. Standard Libraries
> 4. Rob's infamously glacial speed of change to Euphoria(ripped that from Irv
> and Chris, sorry )
> 5. Various design problems(as seen by you, not necessarily Rob or others)
> 6. The User Community(If you counted the # of flamewars on here it is... lots
> .)
> 7. The way Rob ignores suggestions to improve Euphoria
> 8. The RDS website(I hate... well, dislike it)
> 9. Ed
> 10. All of the above
> 11. Other
>
3
Antonio Alessi
6. Re: What pushes you away from Euphoria?
Not too much because i have accepted the language for what it is and
deal with any shortcomings accordingly. I suggest others do the same
so they can start making some good programs with their time :)
Take care,
Al
E boa sorte com sua programacao Euphoria!
My bumper sticker: "I brake for LED's"
From "Black Knight":
"I can live with losing the good fight,
but i can not live without fighting it".
"Well on second thought, maybe not."
7. Re: What pushes you away from Euphoria?
Nothing, in spite of the RDS attempts to do so.
Euphoria is a great language for lots of purposes.
It is not as good as it could be; so that's my project.
--
Derek Parnell
Melbourne, Australia
Skype name: derek.j.parnell
8. Re: What pushes you away from Euphoria?
Julio C. Galaret Viera wrote:
>
> Jeremy Peterson wrote:
> >
> > 1. Speed
> > 2. Syntax-Sequences
> > 3. Standard Libraries
> > 4. Rob's infamously glacial speed of change to Euphoria(ripped that from
> > Irv and Chris, sorry )
> > 5. Various design problems(as seen by you, not necessarily Rob or others)
> > 6. The User Community(If you counted the # of flamewars on here it is...
> > lots .)
> > 7. The way Rob ignores suggestions to improve Euphoria
> > 8. The RDS website(I hate... well, dislike it)
> > 9. Ed
> > 10. All of the above
> > 11. Other
>
2 (only the syntax part)
3
5
7
CChris
9. Re: What pushes you away from Euphoria?
Jeremy Peterson wrote:
>
> 1. Speed
> 2. Syntax-Sequences
> 3. Standard Libraries
> 4. Rob's infamously glacial speed of change to Euphoria(ripped that from Irv
> and Chris, sorry )
> 5. Various design problems(as seen by you, not necessarily Rob or others)
> 6. The User Community(If you counted the # of flamewars on here it is... lots
> .)
> 7. The way Rob ignores suggestions to improve Euphoria
> 8. The RDS website(I hate... well, dislike it)
> 9. Ed
> 10. All of the above
> 11. Other
5, 7 (mostly in relation to 5), and 11. Mostly it's the lack of support for
other platforms (11) but certain failings of the language are also a big source
of disappointment.
10. Re: What pushes you away from Euphoria?
> 1. Speed
> 2. Syntax-Sequences
> 3. Standard Libraries
> 4. Rob's infamously glacial speed of change to Euphoria(ripped
> that from Irv and Chris, sorry )
> 5. Various design problems(as seen by you, not necessarily Rob or others)
> 6. The User Community(If you counted the # of flamewars on here it is... lots
> .)
> 7. The way Rob ignores suggestions to improve Euphoria
> 8. The RDS website(I hate... well, dislike it)
> 9. Ed
> 10. All of the above
> 11. Other
>
#9 and #4 only.
personal note:
It is possible to include new features into editors and ide's and have the
ide/editor output the transformed source code. So messing with a whole heap of
stuff on the interpretor is't really a must in my opinion.
another note:
Earlier this year I descovered that I accidently threw out my registered copy of
euphoria 2.4 and 2.5 (my bad) when I wanted to install Eu to a new machine.
Rather than hassle Rob for the download link, wich i have done in the past in a
similar circumstance, I decided to wait and purchace the next release and have it
delivered to me on CD via mail.
nb. I've been waiting patiently for the new release for some time now!
how many programmers does it take to change a light bulb?
none it's a hardware problem!
Hayden McKay...
11. Re: What pushes you away from Euphoria?
> 1. Speed
> 2. Syntax-Sequences
> 3. Standard Libraries
> 4. Rob's infamously glacial speed of change to Euphoria(ripped that from Irv
> and Chris, sorry )
> 5. Various design problems(as seen by you, not necessarily Rob or others)
> 6. The User Community(If you counted the # of flamewars on here it is... lots
> .)
> 7. The way Rob ignores suggestions to improve Euphoria
> 8. The RDS website(I hate... well, dislike it)
> 9. Ed
> 10. All of the above
> 11. Other
5., 8.
I think that's all. I don't like/use/care about Ed.
Rgds,
Salix
12. Re: What pushes you away from Euphoria?
Salix wrote:
> I think that's all. I don't like/use/care about Ed.
I'm surprised anyone thinks of it at all. After some period of use, I
would have thought most users would have picked up on their favourite
editor that is not ED. I use either the IDE editor or Crimson.
--
Craig
13. Re: What pushes you away from Euphoria?
- Posted by Jerry Story <jstory at ocii.com>
Aug 07, 2006
-
Last edited Aug 08, 2006
An amusing message from David Cuny about ed.
http://tinyurl.com/rp72w
14. Re: What pushes you away from Euphoria?
- Posted by Jeremy Peterson <ptl99 at hotmail.com>
Aug 07, 2006
-
Last edited Aug 08, 2006
Jerry, that is a perfect example(1 of hundreds, as you guys know) of what
happens on here.
That was in 2001! 5 years ago! And here we are now with the same dumb Dos
editor.
Ed neatly sums up RDS development strategy, IMO. (Or lack of one, I should say)
Jeremy
15. Re: What pushes you away from Euphoria?
- Posted by D. Newhall <derek_newhall at yahoo.com>
Aug 07, 2006
-
Last edited Aug 08, 2006
Craig Welch wrote:
>
> Salix wrote:
>
> > I think that's all. I don't like/use/care about Ed.
>
> I'm surprised anyone thinks of it at all. After some period of use, I
> would have thought most users would have picked up on their favourite
> editor that is not ED. I use either the IDE editor or Crimson.
>
> --
> Craig
>
I totally agree. I don't see there being enough of a problem with ed to campaign
Rob to "fix" it. I think much more attention should be placed elsewhere instead
of improving the editor that most people don't even use (although I use ed a
lot).
16. Re: What pushes you away from Euphoria?
The point is that Ed should be removed from the Euphoria package. I think so
and apparently so do some of the others.
Jeremy
17. Re: What pushes you away from Euphoria?
Jerry Story wrote:
>
> An amusing message from David Cuny about ed.
> <a href="http://tinyurl.com/rp72w">http://tinyurl.com/rp72w</a>
Hi Jerry,
I'm using only red (my 100% Russian version of ed) for Euphoria
programming on DOS, Windows and Linux.
Ed itself is a great example of Euphoria programming - simple, small,
powerful.
Also I use PSPad, Kwrite, edit.com, F4 of FAR, F4 of MC, F4 of NC.
Regards,
Igor Kachan
18. Re: What pushes you away from Euphoria?
On Mon, 07 Aug 2006 17:25:42 -0700, Jeremy Peterson
<guest at RapidEuphoria.com> wrote:
>The point is that Ed should be removed from the Euphoria package. I think so
>and apparently so do some of the others.
Stop lying. Neither you nor anyone else has any umbrage whatsoever
with Ed being quietly installed with each and every new version of Eu
from now till eternity. What you may have umbrage with is "Ed is good"
which is the lie from RDS. Two lies do not make a truth.
Regards,
Pete
19. Re: What pushes you away from Euphoria?
Pete, I don't appreciate people saying I'm lying, especially when I'm not.
Date: 2006 Aug 6 3:22
From: akusaya at gmx.net
Subject: Re: What pushes you away from Euphoria?
> 1. Speed
> 2. Syntax-Sequences
> 3. Standard Libraries
> 4. Rob's infamously glacial speed of change to Euphoria(ripped
> that from Irv and Chris, sorry )
> 5. Various design problems(as seen by you, not necessarily Rob or others)
> 6. The User Community(If you counted the # of flamewars on here it is... lots
> .)
> 7. The way Rob ignores suggestions to improve Euphoria
> 8. The RDS website(I hate... well, dislike it)
> 9. Ed
> 10. All of the above
> 11. Other
3, 4, 5, 7, 9
Date: 2006 Aug 7 4:42
From: Hayden McKay <hmck1 at dodo.com.au>
Subject: Re: What pushes you away from Euphoria?
> 1. Speed
> 2. Syntax-Sequences
> 3. Standard Libraries
> 4. Rob's infamously glacial speed of change to Euphoria(ripped
> that from Irv and Chris, sorry )
> 5. Various design problems(as seen by you, not necessarily Rob or others)
> 6. The User Community(If you counted the # of flamewars on here it is... lots
> .)
> 7. The way Rob ignores suggestions to improve Euphoria
> 8. The RDS website(I hate... well, dislike it)
> 9. Ed
> 10. All of the above
> 11. Other
>
#9 and #4 only.
Date: 2006 Aug 7 6:49
From: Salix <salix at freemail.hu>
Subject: Re: What pushes you away from Euphoria?
> 1. Speed
> 2. Syntax-Sequences
> 3. Standard Libraries
> 4. Rob's infamously glacial speed of change to Euphoria(ripped that from Irv
> and
Chris, sorry )
> 5. Various design problems(as seen by you, not necessarily Rob or others)
> 6. The User Community(If you counted the # of flamewars on here it is... lots
> .)
> 7. The way Rob ignores suggestions to improve Euphoria
> 8. The RDS website(I hate... well, dislike it)
> 9. Ed
> 10. All of the above
> 11. Other
5., 8.
I think that's all. I don't like/use/care about Ed.
Date: 2006 Aug 7 13:12
From: Craig Welch <euphoria at cwelch.org>
Subject: Re: What pushes you away from Euphoria?
Salix wrote:
> I think that's all. I don't like/use/care about Ed.
I'm surprised anyone thinks of it at all. After some period of use, I
would have thought most users would have picked up on their favourite
editor that is not ED. I use either the IDE editor or Crimson.
===========================================================================\\
So here's a little logic for you, Pete. If most people don't use it(or like
it), and Rob likes to keep the Eu download small, he should remove it and post it
in the Archive for people that actually do use it.
What probably should have been done in the first place.
Jeremy
20. Re: What pushes you away from Euphoria?
Jeremy,
you'll find some prerequisites for discussing seriously on a list like
this here: http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html
Regards,
Juergen
21. Re: What pushes you away from Euphoria?
Pete Lomax wrote:
> On Mon, 07 Aug 2006 17:25:42 -0700, Jeremy Peterson
> <guest at RapidEuphoria.com> wrote:
>
>> The point is that Ed should be removed from the Euphoria package.
>> I think so and apparently so do some of the others.
<snip>
> Neither you nor anyone else has any umbrage whatsoever with Ed being
> quietly installed with each and every new version of Eu from now till
> eternity.
<snip>
I agree. If someone gets pushed away from Euphoria by the existence of
Ed, it would be similar to the following situation:
Someone buys a new car, say a Porsche, and the sales assistant
additionally gives him a bottle of wine. Then the customer thinks: "Hu,
I like beer but not wine, so next time I'll better buy a Mercedes."
Regards,
Juergen
--
Please excuse my flawed English. My native language is Euphoria.
22. Re: What pushes you away from Euphoria?
Jeremy:
If ED doesn't meet your needs; then why don't you write a better
version of it that everyone would like to use ?
If you look at EE.ex you will find that it is more like a DOS's EDIT
maybe that would be closer to your needs; EE could be improved and
it still has bugs but it is far easier to use than ED. Maybe you could
fix the bugs, improve and update it.
Bernie
My files in archive:
WMOTOR, XMOTOR, W32ENGIN, MIXEDLIB, EU_ENGIN, WIN32ERU, WIN32API
Can be downloaded here:
http://www.rapideuphoria.com/cgi-bin/asearch.exu?dos=on&win=on&lnx=on&gen=on&keywords=bernie+ryan
23. Re: What pushes you away from Euphoria?
Bill Reed wrote:
>
> Jeremy,
>
> I have had it with your whiny posts about what you don't like about Euphoria.
> If you want sympathy, go post on your own website, blog, etc. and
> quit sucking the bandwidth off this website.
>
> I, for one, go to this forum to find useful information about using
> Euphoria, not to read rants about what you don't like about it.
> If you don't like it so much, go write your own language and bundle your
> own editor or IDE. Post us a link to it. Maybe we'll critique your
> language.
>
> Bill Reed
What?!
Fine, I'll stop talking about it. My sincere apologies to those of you who are
sick of my "ranting" & "whining".
Jeremy
24. Re: What pushes you away from Euphoria?
- Posted by Pete Lomax <petelomax at blueyonder.co.uk>
Aug 08, 2006
-
Last edited Aug 09, 2006
On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 03:48:52 -0700, Jeremy Peterson
<guest at RapidEuphoria.com> wrote:
>Pete, I don't appreciate people saying I'm lying
Of course not, no-one does.
If you felt offended and that I overstepped the mark, then I
apologise, but I felt that the point had to be stressed.
>, especially when I'm not.
If you were trying to prove you were not, you failed:
>akusaya
>> 9. Ed
>3, 4, 5, 7, 9
>Hayden McKay
>> 9. Ed
>#9 and #4 only.
>Salix
>I think that's all. I don't like/use/care about Ed.
>Craig Welch
>> I think that's all. I don't like/use/care about Ed.
>I'm surprised anyone thinks of it at all.
None of those people actually said "Ed should be removed from the
download", did they? While people might have ticked that particular
box under that particular loaded question, I'm with Craig in seriously
doubting it is actually some kind of annoyance to these people that
don't actually use it anyway.
>So here's a little logic for you, Pete. If most people don't use it(or like
>it), and Rob likes to keep the Eu download small, he should remove it and post it
>in the Archive for people that actually do use it.
>What probably should have been done in the first place.
I don't understand why you are picking on this one 32K file.
Why include docs?
Why include all the demos?
Why supply exw.exe and ex.exe in the same package?
The answer is simple: Rob wants to maintain one package, not half a
dozen. Users want one package, not half a dozen.
The lie of which I speak is not what other people said, nor that you
do not like Ed, it is the "removing ed.ex from the download will
significantly enhance my life" which you know will not. It is a lie.
(nb people, that is an exaggerated inference, not an actual quote)
otoh, "touting ed.ex as the best thing since sliced bread is not
helping the image of Eu" might be true, which was the real point I
tried to make.
Don't take all this too personally. I am a computer programmer, and
therefore by definition I have no social skills or graces. 
Regards,
Pete
25. Re: What pushes you away from Euphoria?
Juergen Luethje wrote:
>
> Pete Lomax wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 07 Aug 2006 17:25:42 -0700, Jeremy Peterson
> > <guest at RapidEuphoria.com> wrote:
> >
> >> The point is that Ed should be removed from the Euphoria package.
> >> I think so and apparently so do some of the others.
>
> <snip>
>
> > Neither you nor anyone else has any umbrage whatsoever with Ed being
> > quietly installed with each and every new version of Eu from now till
> > eternity.
>
> <snip>
>
> I agree. If someone gets pushed away from Euphoria by the existence of
> Ed, it would be similar to the following situation:
>
> Someone buys a new car, say a Porsche, and the sales assistant
> additionally gives him a bottle of wine. Then the customer thinks: "Hu,
> I like beer but not wine, so next time I'll better buy a Mercedes."
>
> Regards,
> Juergen
>
> --
> Please excuse my flawed English. My native language is Euphoria.
I am not sure that was his point.
A package is supposed to attract people and entice them to buy more.
Ed is definitely a weak selling point, and removing it would help Rob
probably. I personally don't care as I don't use it - there are much more
useful programming editors freely available on the Net.
CChris
26. Re: What pushes you away from Euphoria?
On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 02:02:23 -0700, CChris <guest at RapidEuphoria.com>
wrote:
>I am not sure that was his point.
It may be a bit subtle but not that difficult:
>
>A package is supposed to attract people and entice them to buy more.
>Ed is definitely a weak selling point,
That I can agree with
>and removing it would help Rob probably.
That I cannot agree with, unless you are talking about (placement in)
the documentation and other hype.
>I personally don't care as I don't use it - there are much more
>useful programming editors freely available on the Net.
That I mostly agree with. In particular the presence of "ed.ex" does
no harm. One thing I have done in the past is stuff up my windows boot
and only been able to get to the C:> prompt. I've used ed.ex both to
get out of that and to write an eu program to create backups before
reformatting my disk/reinstalling windows.
Regards,
Pete
27. Re: What pushes you away from Euphoria?
Jeremy Peterson wrote:
>
> The point is that Ed should be removed from the Euphoria package. I think so
> and apparently so do some of the others.
>
> Jeremy
NO. It must stay... we do need a DOS editor for use in a MSDOS environment.
But we also need an ed.exw for da macrosoft wankers environment.
Dont know much about linux though.
28. Re: What pushes you away from Euphoria?
CChris wrote:
> Juergen Luethje wrote:
> >
> > Pete Lomax wrote:
> >
> > > On Mon, 07 Aug 2006 17:25:42 -0700, Jeremy Peterson
> > > <guest at RapidEuphoria.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> The point is that Ed should be removed from the Euphoria package.
> > >> I think so and apparently so do some of the others.
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > > Neither you nor anyone else has any umbrage whatsoever with Ed being
> > > quietly installed with each and every new version of Eu from now till
> > > eternity.
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > I agree. If someone gets pushed away from Euphoria by the existence of
> > Ed, it would be similar to the following situation:
> >
> > Someone buys a new car, say a Porsche, and the sales assistant
> > additionally gives him a bottle of wine. Then the customer thinks: "Hu,
> > I like beer but not wine, so next time I'll better buy a Mercedes."
> >
>
> I am not sure that was his point.
>
> A package is supposed to attract people and entice them to buy more.
> Ed is definitely a weak selling point,
I agree. But it's existence is not a reason for _not_ using/buying
Euphoria. That is the point as I understood it.
> and removing it would help Rob probably.
Why?
> I personally don't care as I don't use it - there are much
> more useful programming editors freely available on the Net.
The same holds true for me. I just ignore Ed, and it doen't hurt me
in any way.
Regards,
Juergen
--
Please excuse my flawed English. My native language is Euphoria.
29. Re: What pushes you away from Euphoria?
This one (belated thread topicwise) bit me again today:
My code crashed and it wasn't easy to say why so I edited the code to
trigger trace() in the right conditions. Then apparently something had
gone wrong earlier, but from the values I had, it wasn't easy to tell
what, so I quit again, and added yet more code to trap even earlier.
Yet again, I couldn't easily tell why so again I quit and added yet
more debug code, and ran yet again. Now I can see.
What was it that annoyed me? I would have got it in one hit if I could
examine table[359] and then table[111] when I first found myself in
the debugger. This in a language where sequences are *the* one and
only way to store any significant data! How long ago was this first
requested? How difficult could it possibly be?
OK, so it didn't really cost me a *huge* amount of time and effort,
but really, pathetic and lame or what.
Yours,
Hacked off in North London
30. Re: What pushes you away from Euphoria?
Pete Lomax wrote:
>
> This one (belated thread topicwise) bit me again today:
>
> My code crashed and it wasn't easy to say why so I edited the code to
> trigger trace() in the right conditions. Then apparently something had
> gone wrong earlier, but from the values I had, it wasn't easy to tell
> what, so I quit again, and added yet more code to trap even earlier.
> Yet again, I couldn't easily tell why so again I quit and added yet
> more debug code, and ran yet again. Now I can see.
>
> What was it that annoyed me? I would have got it in one hit if I could
> examine table[359] and then table[111] when I first found myself in
> the debugger. This in a language where sequences are *the* one and
> only way to store any significant data! How long ago was this first
> requested? How difficult could it possibly be?
>
> OK, so it didn't really cost me a *huge* amount of time and effort,
> but really, pathetic and lame or what.
Yes, and I think Rob had said this might make 3.0. In any case, I've
managed to make this work in the next version of the ooeu debugger
(you can also change values while debugging). Now I just have to get it
all together for a release...
Matt Lewis
31. Re: What pushes you away from Euphoria?
On Fri, 11 Aug 2006 05:19:06 -0700, Matt Lewis
<guest at RapidEuphoria.com> wrote:
>Yes, and I think Rob had said this might make 3.0.
But he also promised it over eight years ago...
(miaow)
> In any case, I've
>managed to make this work in the next version of the ooeu debugger
>(you can also change values while debugging). Now I just have to get it
>all together for a release...
I'll look forward to it.
Regards,
Pete
32. Re: What pushes you away from Euphoria?
- Posted by Al Getz <Xaxo at aol.com>
Aug 17, 2006
-
Last edited Aug 18, 2006
Hello again,
I forgot to mention one thing before that affects only programs using
v2.5 and not v2.4 .
That is, the time to open a file is much longer with the 2.5 version
and that is not good on my system. I have a decent system and it's
still too slow.
I realize that compiling everything before running has some advantages,
but it takes away from the time to open and it also doesnt allow you
to put up a splash screen while waiting for the rest of the program
to run.
Perhaps a solution would be simple:
Divide the compile phase into two parts:
1. First complile a small section of the code to allow a user
to put up a small splash screen to tell the user it's opening.
2. Compile the rest of the code as usual.
Doing this wouldnt be hard at all, and would increase the apparent speed
of the language for many users.
When using a large library it just takes too long to open the way
it is now so something should be done. Who wants to wait for the
entire lib to compile? Not me :)
I dont know how the initial code would be sectioned off, perhaps with
START:
--initial code here
:END
or whatever really. ANYTHING to get rid of this annoying delay.
Take care,
Al
E boa sorte com sua programacao Euphoria!
My bumper sticker: "I brake for LED's"
From "Black Knight":
"I can live with losing the good fight,
but i can not live without fighting it".
"Well on second thought, maybe not."
33. Re: What pushes you away from Euphoria?
Al Getz wrote:
>
> Hello again,
>
> I forgot to mention one thing before that affects only programs using
> v2.5 and not v2.4 .
> That is, the time to open a file is much longer with the 2.5 version
> and that is not good on my system. I have a decent system and it's
> still too slow.
Al:
This is too general a comment.
What kind of time are you talking about ?
Winclass library does not seem to be that slow considering
all the include files you are using.
You might try shrouding your code with ver 2.4 to see if that improves
the loading speed using ver 2.5 to run a program.
( This would be sort of like pre-compiling the code )
When version 2.5 first came out I was building sequence dynamically
at load time and found this slowed loading time way down.
Bernie
My files in archive:
WMOTOR, XMOTOR, W32ENGIN, MIXEDLIB, EU_ENGIN, WIN32ERU, WIN32API
Can be downloaded here:
http://www.rapideuphoria.com/cgi-bin/asearch.exu?dos=on&win=on&lnx=on&gen=on&keywords=bernie+ryan
34. Re: What pushes you away from Euphoria?
As the start time problem appears mainly in EXW programs,
is easy to add a function to show the splash window.
Simpler, the splash window may be simple a static picture,
saved in a separate file. The compiler must to identify
the statement and launch it while compile background.
Maybe something like
splash("mysplash.jpg")
In a more elaborated scheme. The windows can show a status
showing the advance of the compiling progress.
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
Marco A. Achury
Caracas, Venezuela
+58-414-3142282
35. Re: What pushes you away from Euphoria?
Bernie Ryan wrote:
>
> Al Getz wrote:
> >
> > Hello again,
> >
> > I forgot to mention one thing before that affects only programs using
> > v2.5 and not v2.4 .
> > That is, the time to open a file is much longer with the 2.5 version
> > and that is not good on my system. I have a decent system and it's
> > still too slow.
>
> Al:
>
> This is too general a comment.
> What kind of time are you talking about ?
> Winclass library does not seem to be that slow considering
> all the include files you are using.
>
> You might try shrouding your code with ver 2.4 to see if that improves
> the loading speed using ver 2.5 to run a program.
> ( This would be sort of like pre-compiling the code )
>
> When version 2.5 first came out I was building sequence dynamically
> at load time and found this slowed loading time way down.
>
> Bernie
>
> My files in archive:
> WMOTOR, XMOTOR, W32ENGIN, MIXEDLIB, EU_ENGIN, WIN32ERU, WIN32API
>
> Can be downloaded here:
> <a
> href="http://www.rapideuphoria.com/cgi-bin/asearch.exu?dos=on&win=on&lnx=on&gen=on&keywords=bernie+ryan">http://www.rapideuphoria.com/cgi-bin/asearch.exu?dos=on&win=on&lnx=on&gen=on&keywords=bernie+ryan</a>
Hi Bernie,
I havent tried shrouding yet, maybe that would help, but i really liked
the way the v2.4 worked...i didnt need to do anything.
Yes, if you have big sequences to build that will add to the time to
'load', but that's another issue. Im just talking about compile time.
Take care,
Al
E boa sorte com sua programacao Euphoria!
My bumper sticker: "I brake for LED's"
From "Black Knight":
"I can live with losing the good fight,
but i can not live without fighting it".
"Well on second thought, maybe not."
36. Re: What pushes you away from Euphoria?
Marco Achury wrote:
>
>
> As the start time problem appears mainly in EXW programs,
> is easy to add a function to show the splash window.
>
> Simpler, the splash window may be simple a static picture,
> saved in a separate file. The compiler must to identify
> the statement and launch it while compile background.
>
> Maybe something like
>
> splash("mysplash.jpg")
>
> In a more elaborated scheme. The windows can show a status
> showing the advance of the compiling progress.
>
>
> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
> Marco A. Achury
> Caracas, Venezuela
> +58-414-3142282
Hi Marco,
Well, it's not that easy. Right now we would have to write a
separate program to show the splash window, call up the main
program exw, and then vanish. I suppose it can be done without
too much trouble, but then you would have to use this technique
every time you opened a program.
Also, my long programs showed the user interface as the rest
of the program was still loading. Im not sure how this would
be rigged the way it is now, unless a 'dummy' user interface was
brought up with one program and that program could then call the
main program. That would be a lot of work though.
Im pretty sure binding helps too, but i didnt really want to have
to bind all my programs. The way i do it with 2.4 is i simply
open the exw program as usual and everything opens just fine.
With 2.5 it takes between 1 to 2 full seconds to open, meanwhile
nothing appears on the screen except maybe the 'busy' icon for the
mouse ha ha. I hate that.
Take care,
Al
E boa sorte com sua programacao Euphoria!
My bumper sticker: "I brake for LED's"
From "Black Knight":
"I can live with losing the good fight,
but i can not live without fighting it".
"Well on second thought, maybe not."
37. Re: What pushes you away from Euphoria?
- Posted by Jeremy Peterson <ptl99 at hotmail.com>
Aug 18, 2006
-
Last edited Aug 19, 2006
Um, Al?
>With 2.5 it takes between 1 to 2 full seconds to open
I really don't understand why you want this changed because of a 1-2 second
delay. There are 31,536,000 seconds in one year, you know.
Jeremy
38. Re: What pushes you away from Euphoria?
Jeremy Peterson wrote:
>
> Um, Al?
> >With 2.5 it takes between 1 to 2 full seconds to open
>
> I really don't understand why you want this changed because of a 1-2 second
> delay. There are 31,536,000 seconds in one year, you know.
>
> Jeremy
Hi again,
Actually it's longer than that with some programs.
It's a pain especially when it works fine with 2.4 ok?
Take care,
Al
E boa sorte com sua programacao Euphoria!
My bumper sticker: "I brake for LED's"
From "Black Knight":
"I can live with losing the good fight,
but i can not live without fighting it".
"Well on second thought, maybe not."
