OpenEuphoria

1. Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by jeremy (admin) Aug 06, 2009
• 85897 views

Euphoria is in need of a new logo. Do we have any members on the forum that are graphic artists willing to participate that can create a professional quality logo for Euphoria?

Jeremy

3. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by jeremy (admin) Aug 07, 2009
• 85855 views

Hm, that's a big question! It needs to be addressed in the manual, so it'll be done sometime before 4.0b2 I hope, but for sure before final release.

Does anyone want to take a stab at what is new in 4.0?

Jeremy

5. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by euphoric (admin) Aug 07, 2009
• 85829 views

Yes?

7. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by shfrance Aug 07, 2009
• 85827 views

I hadn't gotten that far. I was still morphing what there is.

The 32x32 icon has an E with a checkerboard pattern. To me that signifies the "spotty" collection of commands (compared to a full language) from the previous version.

To signify a full, but still procedural language, I was thinking of a horizontal striped pattern of some kind.

I had also mused about when Eu goes OOP, the icon could be Capital E lower case e.

9. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by Jerry_Story Aug 07, 2009
• 85848 views

What is wrong with the logo that Euphoria has now?

11. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by jeremy (admin) Aug 07, 2009
• 85781 views
• Last edited Aug 08, 2009

It actually would only be part of the euiw.exe, as it's the only true Windows program? Then, on all of the Unix variants (which include Linux, OS X, FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, SunOS) there would be no icon for any of them.

Now, on the windows side of things, the .e, .ex, .exd, .exw source files would benefit from an icon, but that's really benefiting only developers as most end users will be downloading a pre-compiled package, presumably with it's own icon defined (at least that's how it should be).

Jeremy

13. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by useless Aug 08, 2009
• 85798 views

I was afraid you were going to say Euphoronid. Phoronids aren't imposing.

Hmmm: EU PHORIA（ユーフォーリア, Yūfōria）is a Japanese all girl band, formed in 2002. They are being released under Avex's label SONIC ...

I'm not enthusiastic about the rainbow coloring.

kat

15. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by DerekParnell (admin) Aug 08, 2009
• 85842 views

Right, so its definitely in then

Given free rein, I'd actually like a surfing metaphor - but at least I'm throwing out ideas for people to bounce off.

17. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by Tom Aug 09, 2009
• 85848 views

A starting point...

http://a.imagehost.org/0589/Euphoria.png

19. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by doncole2009 Aug 10, 2009
• 85795 views

Not being a pro. I like the wire.ex demo caught in mid air.

Don Cole

21. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by jeremy (admin) Sep 06, 2009
• 85654 views

Alex,

Seems it's not online yet. When it comes online, I'll certainly give you feedback.

Jeremy

23. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by jeremy (admin) Sep 06, 2009
• 85626 views

Alex,

Is Ms. Gina Stephens willing to donate one of the Logo's for our use?

Also, I'll start with my comments on these logos.

1. I don't care for the boxy outline of #1, #2, #3 and #5.
2. I really like #4 as it looks like it will fit right into many forms of documentation.
3. I love the use of { ... } as a sequence is one of the main powerhouses of Euphoria.
4. I really like the O in #6 and #7, I think the colors of #7 a bit better.
5. I don't care for the ( ) in #8 as much as the { } in others.
6. #9 contains a large area of graphics that would make a lot of white space elsewhere when put on a web page or in docs.
7. The E style in #10, #12, #27, #28, #30 and #31 seem too much like the E logo of Internet Explorer.
8. #11 is nice, but it doesn't seem to catch me as much as #4, #6 or #7.
9. #13, #14, #15, #16, #17, #18 remind me of a laundry detergent logo for some reason.
10. #15 doesn't have enough colors
11. #16 isn't as nice as the others of it's type that has the sun burst in the background
12. Of the circular types, #13-#20, I think I like #18 the best, but I can't explain why
13. #21, #22, I like the { } too much to like these ones better than the others with { }
14. Hm, there are 2 #21's and #22's, opps.
15. 2nd #21, #22 and #23, I don't like how the { ... } breaks up the Euphoria word.
16. #24, #25, #26 and #29 I'm just not a fan of any of those E's.
17. #27, #28, #30 and #31 all have the "IE" E that I mentioned earlier.
18. #32 I think is too tall for the actual font height that says what it is.
19. #33 and #34 are not as exciting as the others.
20. #35 is too much vertical space for the logo vs. the text.

Overall? It's very hard to pick which would be my favorite. I can eliminate many, which is what I did in my above list. I'll be interested in hearing other peoples comments.

Jeremy

25. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by euphoric (admin) Sep 06, 2009
• 85624 views

Here's some ideas. Refer to likes/dislikes by {row,column} or by filename. Many of these are amenable as to color and font style so feel free to make suggestions.

27. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by euphoric (admin) Sep 06, 2009
• 85608 views

I had to dodge Enron's logo too. So I guess no rotated capital E.

29. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by SunPsych08 Sep 06, 2009
• 85564 views

Sure Jeremy; can do. I'm not au fait with "sizing" these images. If you tell me what is a "sensible size", I'll ask Gina to resize them. Once done, where should I send them?

Alex Caracatsanis

31. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by ryanj Sep 06, 2009
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• Last edited Sep 07, 2009

LOL, that's the first thing i thought when i saw them.

33. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by ryanj Sep 06, 2009
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• Last edited Sep 07, 2009

I like the style of most of them- they are creative, i just don't know if they are good for a programming language. However something like 6, 7, 8, 9, or 11 might work. I also like more of a rectangle than an ellipse.

35. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by ryanj Sep 06, 2009
• 85523 views
• Last edited Sep 07, 2009

Actually, i think it's just the shape that i don't like. Perhaps use a rectangle with rounded corners, or not even a defined shape. I do like the rays of light and curvey streaks of color, just not the obvious ellipse border. Perhaps just put fancy text on top of a curve or two and rays of light. One nice thing about rays of light is that they could be angled in a way to allow them to be extended across a web page to make a cool background for the top banner and the left side or body of the page.

37. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by ryanj Sep 06, 2009
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• Last edited Sep 07, 2009

Another thought i had...maybe a box or can laying on it's side with the top open, with rays of light and the words "open euphoria" coming out of it? It could represent euphoria getting "out of the box" and released to the world as open source. Someone mentioned something like this before, and i liked that idea.

39. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by prickle Sep 07, 2009
• 85514 views

I think Gina's logos are very well made, despite the fact that blue sunbursts appear to be a signature mark for laundry detergents.

My personal favourite is #6, I love the "o" although might I suggest removing the square brackets and periods from "open", it makes it look optional to me.

Euphoric's logos have potential as icons (the ones that don't immediately resemble existing company logos) but convey less meaning. An outsider would not know from looking what the logo represents without extra explanations, and I think this is important.

Now for my two cents. It's vaguely relevant. Uninterested readers turn away now. What follows is all my own worthless opinion but I put it forward anyway for your consideration.

Why I think Euphoria never did as well as it deserves: It's the name people! "Euphoria" sounds to me like someone is trying really hard to sell something. It has it's roots in the original commercial release where I think it worked well. The open community seems to regard it with some suspicion though, a humorous or technically clever name might be much more appropriate and suitable.

The other problem with "Euphoria" I see is as a name it is too easily overlooked, forgotten or otherwise makes less of an impression than it should. A name that is a unique word and promotes a moment's thought somehow by being clever or funny should make it stick in the mind and may promote more "Oh, I remember that.." moments for people.

Now I am terrible with names and can only offer criticism not suggestions but I really needed to get this off my chest. Phew.

Cheers, Nick.

41. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by useless Sep 07, 2009
• 85488 views

Is the "open" part required?

There's tons of open source code bases out that do not include "open" in their name. If "open" is required, perhaps some sort of Eu syntax juxtapositioning the two words.

I am partial to 6 and 7, and would like to see more variations on that, mostly using Eu's []{}.. in the logo, perhaps meaningfully. I'd lose the ovals and circles and long swooshes. Not liking the elongated lower horizontal on the 'E' in 1..5.

There's a number of languages that use an abbreviation or an acronym, or a partial of either, like we use "Eu". Like i use "Euphorum". Perhaps it's time to retire the dubious RDS reason for calling the language "euphoria". Just an idea, it's nearly 2010.

useless

43. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by jaygade Sep 11, 2009
• 85310 views

After browsing some of these...

For websites and such, I like Gina's logos especially numbers 7, 11, and 32.

For icons, I like both Igor's submissions to the archive and euphoric's simple ideas, especially row one column one which just looks like a green {e} on a black background.

45. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by jeremy (admin) Sep 11, 2009
• 85308 views

Hm. I understand what you're saying but I'm not sure we should shoot for an all inclusive logo? An icon will be used rarely, the logo will be displayed everywhere.

Jeremy

47. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by Critic Sep 11, 2009
• 85227 views

I like the rainbow icons RDS uses.

49. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by jeremy (admin) Sep 11, 2009
• 85237 views

Really!? I see whatever editor the file is associated with. The only time I see the Icon is when I run a program via euiw.exe

And the ones presented cannot go on any of those item? Of course they can. Well, maybe not pens or golf balls.

You have not convinced me.

How is that any different than using some of the ones that many of the others like that use { } and OpenEuphoria? Also, with just the plain e logos, the first thing I think of is Eiffel, as it has a larger user base.

How is a ruby technical? or the Python logo? None of them are technical. The { Open... Euphoria } logos are far more technical than the others you used as examples. About eye-catching, I don't want to make anyone feel bad but they look like they were done by an amateur, they just have that feel to them. Now, please don't take that the wrong way! I'm just trying to portray my thoughts on the subject. You don't see any logos submitted by me because I know I couldn't come close to doing something like any of the submitted logos.

Jeremy

51. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by kinz Sep 12, 2009
• 85267 views

The idea under this logo is to combine 'e' and 'u', and you can see the pure part of 'e', the common part of 'e' and 'u' and pure part of 'u'. See please once more this combined letter, 'eu'. It is not like to 'i', 'i' has very important dot on its top.

Then, this combined new letter 'eu' can be very easily transformed to Russian letter, which sounds as 'u', same as English 'eu'. To make this transforming, just see on English logo in mirror.

And if you turn this English logo to 180 degrees, you get the first letter of Russian translation of the 'Euphoria' word.

So, this logo has some interesting 'secret' properties. See please more variants of this logo-icon.

Regards, kinz

53. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by kinz Sep 14, 2009
• 85132 views

The idea about combination of 'e' and 'u' for Open Euphoria logo seems to be productive ...

See please one more example:

Regards,
kinz

55. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by useless Sep 14, 2009
• 85076 views

I don't see anything *wrong* with kinz's design (other than "where's the 'u' ?"), i am at the other end of the pendulum swing from flowery-artistic and the RDS logo. I'd prefer something technical, to set it in a camp far from the various connotations the Eu logo has now, and separate from the European Union. Not that i want the 1970's sans serif all caps blocks of letters designs for programming languages either.

Regardless of the various ways one could manipulate an image to be cyrilic characters, or cute origami, i think the 'E' and 'u' should be distinct and readable. If someone goes to google the letters in the logo, you want them to find EUphoria, no?

Since Euphoria has been "open" only a year, i do not believe "open" should be in the Eu logo any more than it is in any *nix, PHP, Apache, Perl, Python, etc etc logo. Any logo change will be enough to distance it from RDS's rainbow swooshing thing, it doesn't need to spell out "open". Look at it from a 10 yr perspective.

I vote too, the use of "Eu" or "Euph" alone, as part of redefining the language description: "Euphoric Union of Programming .... " and then i lose it. While i agree Euphoria can be rapid deployment of shorter jobs, it can also be longer development of more complex work now. Euphoria's release of v4, it's being "open", and the soon-to-be dropping of all things dos, means it's evolving to include what we pestered RDS about for many years, so a new backronym reflecting the new v4+ Eu would be appropriate. Suitable kudos to RDS should still remain on the Eu webpages somewhere, however.

useless

57. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by jeremy (admin) Sep 14, 2009
• 85065 views

I really liked the professional appearance of the others and the use of { } in the logo, as it shows some Euphoria code.

Jeremy

59. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by kinz Sep 14, 2009
• 85019 views

Jeremy, {} is just empty sequence, i.e. nothing.
And {eu} will give you the syntax error, if eu is not a variable.
Do you want a logo with the EU syntax error?
So, it might be at least {"eu"}, or {'e'}.

Good, but too many punctuation signs for a logo, on my taste.
Then, {} is much more the C's property, than EU's, I think, no?
The most important letters in the EUPHORIA word are HO plus, maybe, R.
But EU is just our good tradition, EU sounds as YOU, it is YOUR language.
YOU+R = YOU ROBUST

So, combined 'eu' represents Euphoria better than {}, I think, sorry.

Regards,
kinz

61. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by jeremy (admin) Sep 14, 2009
• 85021 views

Further, whatever logo we decide on has to be a high quality logo. The existing logo and also some posted here look very amateur, even on the rendering. Some are very pixelated, has jagged edges, the fonts are too expanded or smashed, etc...

Jeremy

63. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by kinz Sep 15, 2009
• 85012 views

OK, no problem, it is with the transparent background now, in .png format. Open it in the GIMP editor and fill letters with any color scheme you love:

But to make it more smooth I just need the exact size of future real logo on the Open Euphoria Web page.

Regards,
kinz

65. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by ghaberek (admin) Sep 15, 2009
• 84936 views

How is this?

Abbreviated:

Expanded:

As an icon:

-Greg
Forked into: favicon.ico

67. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by ghaberek (admin) Sep 15, 2009
• 84906 views

cue n.
discriminative stimulus: a stimulus that provides information about what to do

-Greg

69. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by ghaberek (admin) Sep 15, 2009
• 84945 views

I like mine better. As in, "see euphoria, have euphoria".

-Greg

71. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by DerekParnell (admin) Sep 16, 2009
• 84870 views

Igor, the problem I have with these is that it looks like "ei" or "el" and definitely not "eu".

73. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by jeremy (admin) Sep 16, 2009
• 84869 views

I don't get at all what you are trying to say that eu looking like an I or L is a good thing. Of course in a different font, not smashed together they don't look the same.

I agree with Derek 100%, it's way too confusing and very hard to see what it's even saying. The Sun logo, you can clearly and easily see Sun 4 times. There is not difficulty in reading it.

Jeremy

75. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by kinz Sep 16, 2009
• 84805 views

Not 'eu', but the 'u'-portion of the combined new proposed character looks like 'i' without dot, or like too low 'l'.
No, that portion is not i-without-dot, nor too-low-l.
See? It is a portion of 'u'. Nothing more.
But these features make some sense as some little enigma in logo.

Yes, and we have some very strange fonts, for example, EmporiumCapitals, First Order, Pseudo Saudi, Rustic_Capitals, Universal Jack etc etc etc.

He-he-he, Derek doesn't say "it's way too confusing and very hard to see what it's even saying".
I see, you do not like my proposition, what to do, but now, with all proposed logos in this topic, you can make tons of skins for your site and switch them on randomly every time the user visits your site again.

No, I could not to see these suns first time. But now I do see these 4 suns and think it is an interesting icon.

Regards,
kinz

77. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by DerekParnell (admin) Sep 16, 2009
• 84800 views
• Last edited Sep 30, 2009

WARNING I'm not a graphic artist

As an amateur I submit these two logo ideas.

Mode	Image
Color
Gray scale

79. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by kinz Sep 16, 2009
• 84816 views

DerekParnell said...

WARNING I'm not a graphic artist

As an amatuer I submit these two logo ideas.

In Color
In Gray scale

Derek, in the GIMP editor, there is separate mode of Logos, in the File menu. It has tons of themes and modes of every theme.

See an example please, in a second or two it generated such a logo:

Try please that mode of GIMP, maybe it is exactly what you need as an amateur.

Regards,
kinz

81. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by ghaberek (admin) Sep 17, 2009
• 84729 views

Just Arial. Blue color is {153,102,204}. Orange is {247,150,70}.

-Greg

83. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by kinz Sep 18, 2009
• 84642 views

kinz

85. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by kinz Sep 18, 2009
• 84647 views

kinz

87. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by jaygade Sep 18, 2009
• 84611 views

I kinda like

It's spacey! Reminds me of Star Trek a little bit (or Langwar? )

But I'm still more partial to

Lots of good submissions, though! When do we start voting?

89. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by mattlewis (admin) Sep 18, 2009
• 84603 views

Yes, I think this design is my favorite so far. I'm not completely sold on the colors, but I think the idea is good.

Matt

91. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by kinz Sep 18, 2009
• 84781 views

kinz

93. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by kinz Sep 18, 2009
• 84606 views

kinz

95. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by kinz Sep 18, 2009
• 84641 views

kinz

97. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by jacques_desch Sep 18, 2009
• 84573 views

How do you insert image in your post?

Jacques

99. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by jacques_desch Sep 18, 2009
• 84562 views

Thanks Tom

Ok here my 3 prefered ones

First choice Need color improvement

second choice need color improvement

third choice

this orange as replacement to choice one and 2 this blue as replacement for the big O in example 1

What about this (an eye)

Jacques

101. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by kinz Sep 18, 2009
• 84515 views

Rob likes this one very much, yes, Rob?

kinz

103. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by ghaberek (admin) Sep 20, 2009
• 84336 views
• Last edited Sep 21, 2009

How's this?

-Greg

105. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by _tom (admin) Sep 23, 2009
• 84273 views

107. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by _tom (admin) Sep 25, 2009
• 84139 views

The existing "e" languages have logos that look like this:

109. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by Fendaril Sep 25, 2009
• 84085 views

the last one with the circle minus the caps lock :0

111. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by jeremy (admin) Sep 27, 2009
• 73641 views

Euphoria is not Canadian any longer, it's open source and global. I don't think it should have a leaf.

Jeremy

Forked into: Canadian Euphoria

113. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by kinz Sep 27, 2009
• 73605 views

kinz

115. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by kinz Sep 27, 2009
• 73549 views

kinz

117. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by kinz Sep 28, 2009
• 73399 views

One maple leaf more ...

kinz

119. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by kinz Sep 28, 2009
• 73333 views

And again a maple leaf.

kinz

121. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by useless Sep 28, 2009
• 73351 views

Someone hasto say it:
some of these maple leaves look like marijuana, just with more lobes, praps a new variant.

useless

123. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by kinz Sep 28, 2009
• 73335 views

Yes, I think it is not that bad idea to combine 'e' and 'u' to some single new character and I just am trying the different variants of such a combination.
Same as you are trying the {} idea.

Strange, it doesn't have that dot on top, do you see?

I've explained already that it is the 'eu' language, and you can not remember it is 'eu' ???
Strange again ... Sorry ...

Regards,
kinz

125. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by ghaberek (admin) Sep 28, 2009
• 39874 views

This is the Palace Script MT font. I've typed "ei" and "eu" for comparison. Clearly, the "ei" matches the logo you've come up with.

-Greg

127. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by jimcbrown (admin) Sep 28, 2009
• 39830 views

He's already explained. It is neither an ei or an eu, but rather a new letter/symbol that uniquely represents euphoria. It is formed by overlapping the 'c' curve of the letter e in eu with the first half of the letter u.

Now, a lot of people have complained that this new letter looks more like ei than eu. I thought otherwise before (in new roman font the new letter looks more like an overlapping e and u to me than the letters e and i next to each other), but your Palace Script MT font is starting to convince me otherwise. In that font, ei looks a lot more like the symbol than I feel comfortable with...

129. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by DerekParnell (admin) Sep 28, 2009
• 39771 views

Yes, we get it. However, in spite of knowing how the symbol was derived and regardless of which font is used, it still has a high visual similarity to a cursive "ei". I know it is not "ei" and I know it has not got a dot above the right-most stroke, but it still looks like it. And on that basis alone, I feel that it is just too ambiguous to be used as a symbol to represent the Euphoria Programming language.

131. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by _tom (admin) Sep 28, 2009
• 39817 views
• Last edited Sep 29, 2009

133. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by useless Sep 28, 2009
• 39783 views
• Last edited Sep 29, 2009

I rather like the middle one, is it possible to shorten the word "programming" by a couple sylables? If not, then i prefer 1 and 2. Mostly 1 without the "Open".

useless

135. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by kinz Sep 29, 2009
• 39830 views

Greg, we have the famous English wording:
"Dot the i's and cross the t's !"
Sorry, your 'eu' looks like not dotted 'eii' -
Let's better see my new pictures:


Do you see the curly brackets sums?
Do you see the other brackets sums?

That curly thing is just rarest one in EU,
and why it is a logo ???????

Regards,
kinz

137. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by jacques_desch Sep 29, 2009
• 39730 views

The last one is my prefered.

Jacques

P.S. where euphoric sees faces profiles I see birds.

139. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by DerekParnell (admin) Sep 29, 2009
• 39727 views

You do read English, right? Good ... it looks like you forgot to dot the 'i'.

I know you haven't, but that's what it looks like!

141. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by kinz Sep 29, 2009
• 39761 views

Let's see the docs:

 -icon filename[.ico]- (bindw only) When you bind a program, you can patch in 
                       your own customized icon, overwriting the one in 
                       exw.exe. exw.exe contains a 32x32 icon using 256 colors. 
                       It resembles an E) shape. 

Do you see, that the EU icon is "an E) shape"?
And this bracket is the most common for EU on the whole.
So the curly brackets are good, but they do not represent EU
well enough, I think.

Regards,
kinz

143. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by jeremy (admin) Sep 29, 2009
• 39738 views

 -icon filename[.ico]- (bindw only) When you bind a program, you can patch in 
                       your own customized icon, overwriting the one in 
                       exw.exe. exw.exe contains a 32x32 icon using 256 colors. 
                       It resembles an E) shape. 

The ) was representing the rainbow, not a ). ) may be the most common however a comma is probably right up there as well. In fact, probably the most common is a space or tab. Actually, it's probably a e or i character but this is not at all the point!

Huh? The major language defining attribute about Euphoria is the sequence! How do you write a sequence? { }. Thus, { and } are the language defining character of Euphoria. Not a paren, comma i or e.

Jeremy

145. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by jimcbrown (admin) Sep 29, 2009
• 39725 views

sequence a 
a = repeat(0,0) 
? a 

Wrong. That outputs the curly brackets.

{} 

147. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by jimcbrown (admin) Sep 29, 2009
• 39665 views

Yes, we can write sequences, and do everything we need to using sequences, without using curly brackets. It is possible, it is simple, sequences do not require the use of { or }.

But a simple ? will always remind us, no matter how well we try to hide it, that {} is the symbol of the sequence.

149. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by jimcbrown (admin) Sep 29, 2009
• 39681 views

As distinct from "", which also creates an empty sequence in practice, but conceptually represents the empty string (and the class of strings in general) rather than the empty sequence and class of all sequences.

151. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by jacques_desch Sep 30, 2009
• 7769 views

Very nice one _tom

Jacques

153. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by kinz Oct 01, 2009
• 7750 views

And pure Russian version:

Let's see once more the very first readme.doc:

 
			---------------------  
			    Euphoria 1.0  
			Public Domain Edition  
			---------------------  
  
 Welcome to Euphoria! ... End User Programming with Hierarchical Objects  
			  for Robust Interpreted Applications  
  
 Euphoria is a new programming language developed by Rapid Deployment Software,  
 a Canadian software research and development firm.  
  
 Euphoria is primarily a language for =End User's= like yourself. These are  
 people who want to develop software for their own use. They want fast ...  

=End User's= like yourself, RDS wants you as user of their language, first of all.

Let's give them 'you'-sign for their language. There is a free font editor in Windows, eudcedit command, it adds new signs to TTF fonts. It is just for our needs. See this command once more. EUdCedit - End User's different Characters. Combined 'e' and 'u' sounds as 'you', same in Russian mirrored version.

Cool, no ?

Regards,
kinz

155. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by _tom (admin) Oct 01, 2009
• 7700 views

Что такое Euphoria?

Euphoria is a simple, flexible, and easy-to-learn programming language. It lets you quickly and easily develop programs ...

The features that make it easy.

• consistent syntax
• generic
  • using the same generic constructs for numbers and text is a grand simplification
• easy to read blocks of code
  • for my eyes "end keyword" is simpler than indentation, () groupings, {} groupings, and the need for ; and . line demarcations.
• one based indexing
  • reduces "off by one" errors
• no need to declare datatypes
  • I know 'a', 97, and 97.0 are different mathematically, and for computers; but I usually don't care when I am programming
• the sequence lets you organize any data
  • without the need for a datatype or structure for every nuance of organization
• no need for manual effort to control memory storage and garbage collection
• OOP is fascinating, but it gets in the way of simple programming
• easier GUI
  • the wrappers for wxwigets, gtk, IUP, ... , are simpler than the original incarnations
• fast

Many languages are now offering variations of these features. Only Euphoria seems to offer all of them in one package. (Though, I am interested in any updates in the progress of other languages.)

The "one" truly distinctive feature seem to be the sequence. Without it Euphoria would be just another language. With it, it is a language that makes it unique and distinctive from conventional languages. (Again, I am interested if any languages have managed to catch up with Euphoria.)

From this it "follows" that ^{_} is reasonable starting point for the design of a Euphoria logo.

Sugar Maple

Yes, it is Fall, and colourful maple leaves are collecting on my lawn. In Toronto leaves are 'colourful' instead of 'colorful'. And yes, I have collected maple syrup.

Realistic maple leaf based logos are typical of 1950's artwork. Stylized maple leaf logos are current. Foreign corporations often stick a maple in a logo somehow to create a "Canadian" identity. The Canadian government is currently spending 35$ million to advertise (the maple leaf is prominent) how good they are at economic progress--the opposition parties are complaining this is a partisan pre-election ploy.

Unless a maple leaf is on a hockey uniform, many Canadians do not take notice of the maple leaf.

My conclusion is that a maple is not suitable for use in a Euphoria logo.

Cyrillic

The inability of a "westerner" to see "ei" or "ie" as being equivalent to "eu" must be cultural. I can look at the Russian alphabet and I can understand the frustration that is associated with this issue.

Unfortunately, I do not see any variation in artwork that would make a monogram of "e" and "u" work as a logo. (I even looked at Klingon.)

Submarines

I have heard the sound of ship propellers from inside a submarine hull. I will hide behind my expired security clearance and not elaborate.

It is fascinating in how two braces { } can elicit a variety of visual interpretations.

Logo?

What we need now are many variations, from as many people as possible.

For example: I did not think about ^{_} until I saw {eu}phoria.

157. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by DerekParnell (admin) Oct 02, 2009
• 7629 views

Igor,
I understand that you and I think differently about almost everything in the universe, so I acknowledge that this post is really a waste of both our time. However ...

You have it the wrong way around, in my opinion. The sequence is one of the definitive attributes of Euphoria, right? And the {} is the syntax Euphoria uses to write sequence literals and one of the ways to create sequences, right? Thus the {} could be used to represent that special thing (sequences) about Euphoria.

Braces are used in many different languages; mainly to show the lexical scope of a set of statements - e.g. a function, a class, a structure, etc ... Many languages have these constructs and they are not so special to any particular language; even Euphoria has similar constructs. So trying to use braces as an icon for those language is not very clever. But when thinking of Euphoria, the brace makes sense as it could symbolize that special aspect of the language.

Thanks for reading this far I won't be arguing the point with you so there is no need to reply, I just wanted to state that I have a different opinion from yours.

159. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by jeremy (admin) Oct 02, 2009
• 7620 views

You're still failing to see what everyone else is talking about. In C, { } is just a block delimiter, it has no real definition of a killer C feature. In Euphoria { } define sequences which is the defining characteristic of Euphoria. What you are trying to compare is not at all a valid comparison.

Jeremy

161. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by kinz Oct 02, 2009
• 7589 views

Jeremy, { killed, as you say, begin of Algol, Pascal etc, and } killed their end. So it is namely C's killer-feature.

So I'm not failing to see what everyone else is talking about, but I have my own opinion on this subject, on {} thing in EU itself and its possible role in EU logo.

{} is good in EU code, but it is not good in EU logo, I think.

Regards,
kinz

163. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by kinz Oct 03, 2009
• 7507 views

Tom, but we, Russians, like the maple leafs very much, maple is klyon in Russian:
http://fotki.yandex.ru/search.xml?text=%D0%BA%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%8B%D0%B9+%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82&locate_text=

So my conclusion is that a klyon leaf is very good for EU logo.

Regards,
kinz

165. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by kinz Oct 03, 2009
• 7515 views

And we have a song about maple leaf, very nice song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cT-rIpcZCyE&NR=1

Klenovyj (= maple's) list (= leaf)

167. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by kinz Oct 04, 2009
• 7485 views

OK, let's try to search Google for new EU logo:

http://www.google.com/search?&q=%22new+letter+eu

Cool, no?

Then try to find 'e', 'eu', 'eup', 'euph' etc themselves.

http://www.google.com/search?&q=%22{eu}phoria

Regards,
kinz

169. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by jaygade Oct 04, 2009
• 7437 views

Heh. Japanese girl bands are cool. It would be even better if they endorsed Euphoria language...

171. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by kinz Oct 05, 2009
• 7436 views

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDjAN8sKb1A

Listen to Perez Prado for now ...
It is one of my favorite melodies, what to do...

Regards,
kinz

173. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by kinz Oct 06, 2009
• 7306 views

175. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by kinz Oct 10, 2009
• 7067 views

This raccoon is from the Moscow Zoo, photo by 14 years old
George Dyukov.
Raccoon is enot in Russian.

Regards,
kinz

177. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by mattlewis (admin) Oct 12, 2009
• 6902 views

Only when it comes after 'c'.

Matt

179. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by jimcbrown (admin) Oct 20, 2009
• 6335 views

I love it!

181. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by jimcbrown (admin) Dec 03, 2010
• 5747 views

To make sure that we don't lose them, I'm cross-linking all three logo threads along with the powered by euphoria thread.

http://openeuphoria.org/forum/113747.wc http://openeuphoria.org/forum/113748.wc http://openeuphoria.org/forum/113750.wc http://openeuphoria.org/forum/106779.wc http://openeuphoria.org/forum/109632.wc

183. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by coconut Dec 03, 2010
• 5651 views

Yes! I very like this one

185. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by jeremy (admin) Dec 03, 2010
• 5665 views

The one thing w/this is that it may be good for a web banner or something but not for an icon. It would be nice to have something that works for both. I do like the {e} theme created by some. It would lend itself to an icon or a logo.

Jeremy

187. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by jeremy (admin) Dec 07, 2010
• 5380 views

smudger, I like those. We should consider also a logo in regards to how we would incorporate it or it's "style" into an icon for .e, .ex and resulting executable files (that do not define their own icon).

Just some more food for thought.

Jeremy

189. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by smudger Dec 07, 2010
• 5355 views

Now you have too much choice!

Cheers,
Smudger

p.s. the general plan if you want to go with the logo is to make it into a font
and then it can be rendered in whatever format/graphics package you want.

191. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by DerekParnell (admin) Dec 07, 2010
• 5269 views

Are you thinking of a meerkat specifically or one of the other types of mongoose?

193. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by smudger Dec 07, 2010
• 5481 views

I was thinking of a meerkat, yes. I just realised that there are different types of mongoose.

Meerkats are well known in the UK because of a TV series called Meerkat Manor and
a subsequent long-running TV ad campaign for motor insurance comparison called "compare the meerkat".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/meerkat_manor/

http://www.comparethemeerkat.com/

Consequently, the image of a meerkat "standing to attention" has become quite iconic.

Smudger

195. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by smudger Dec 08, 2010
• 5240 views

Cheers,
Smudger

197. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by jeremy (admin) Dec 08, 2010
• 5175 views

I like both of them, but with a comic character like that would like to see some life in him w/some colors or something?

Jeremy

199. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by jeremy (admin) Dec 08, 2010
• 5149 views

I'm lucky if I can get my pants to match my shirt. Sometimes I'm very lucky and have matching socks as well Me, colors?

Jeremy

201. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by smudger Dec 09, 2010
• 5133 views

Is anyone (or any group) empowered to make a decision?

Is anyone *going* to make a decision?

If a decision is made to adopt a logo and/or mascot, is anyone likely to act on it?

How does the decision making process work? What time scale does it operate on?

I'm just trying to decide whether there is any mileage in me spending any more time working on this.

Regards,
Smudger

203. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by smudger Dec 09, 2010
• 5071 views

OK, thanks for that Jeremy.

It's good that there is a deadline! I look forward to your further comments. Can I suggest you take the opportunity to start a new thread?, as this one is responsible for significant bandwidth!

Cheers,
Smudger

205. Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

• Posted by _tom (admin) Dec 09, 2010
• 5017 views

Another suggestion:

A meercat should go well with any logo.

(How about a Marmot?)