1. Forked: should Euphoria logo use "Open"?

  • Posted by jaygade Sep 18, 2009
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Forked from Re: Euphoria Logo Contest, will you participate?

jaygade said...
jeremy said...

Do we want to use the word Open ?

Jeremy

I don't have a preference I don't know about others.

Any opinions? Does the word "open" differentiate this project from "old" closed Euphoria? Even the previous two versions, 3.0 and 3.1, are open-sourced. The only question I would see is whether RDS has a trademark on "Euphoria" that Rob doesn't want to share and I doubt that that is the case.

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2. Re: Forked: should Euphoria logo use "Open"?

  • Posted by Fendaril Sep 18, 2009
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Open can have MANY different interpretations. We don't want to give any wrong ideas do we?

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3. Re: Forked: should Euphoria logo use "Open"?

  • Posted by ghaberek (admin) Sep 18, 2009
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To me, the language is still simply "Euphoria". This website is "OpenEuphoria". Rob's website is "RapidEuphoria". Someone else could start "ExtremeEuphoria" or something similar. All of these would be websites directed towards Euphoria the programming language. So the question then becomes... do we need a logo for the "OpenEuphoria" website, or the "Euphoria" programming language?

IMHO, if we want a "primary" website for Euphoria, it should be euphoriaprogramming.org. Hmm... I do have some GoDaddy space I'm not using. Perhaps a domain registration is in order... getlost

-Greg

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4. Re: Forked: should Euphoria logo use "Open"?

  • Posted by Fendaril Sep 18, 2009
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Maybe you can port the archive to euphoriaProgramming.org

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5. Re: Forked: should Euphoria logo use "Open"?

  • Posted by ghaberek (admin) Sep 18, 2009
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The problem there is that I'm not too good with "committing" to things and "maintaining" them over time. tongue

-Greg

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6. Re: Forked: should Euphoria logo use "Open"?

  • Posted by euphoric (admin) Sep 18, 2009
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Please don't use "Open." Just "Euphoria."

Or some other name we collectively decide on.

I vote for "TooL." blink

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7. Re: Forked: should Euphoria logo use "Open"?

  • Posted by prickle Sep 18, 2009
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The "open" part appears unnecessary to me.

In fact, I think a whole new name might be in order. Who else gets funny looks from other developers when they say they use Euphoria? I have had outright: "you use WHAT? what the hell is that?" He almost seemed offended by the notion. I think he might have thought it was a street drug.

Cheers, Nick.

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8. Re: Forked: should Euphoria logo use "Open"?

  • Posted by kenneth Sep 18, 2009
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prickle said...

The "open" part appears unnecessary to me. In fact, I think a whole new name might be in order.

Maybe it's Eu

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9. Re: Forked: should Euphoria logo use "Open"?

  • Posted by ghaberek (admin) Sep 18, 2009
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prickle said...

The "open" part appears unnecessary to me.

In fact, I think a whole new name might be in order. Who else gets funny looks from other developers when they say they use Euphoria? I have had outright: "you use WHAT? what the hell is that?" He almost seemed offended by the notion. I think he might have thought it was a street drug.

I don't see how it's any different from other noun-based language names, like Ruby or Python.

-Greg

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10. Re: Forked: should Euphoria logo use "Open"?

  • Posted by Fendaril Sep 18, 2009
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prickle said...

The "open" part appears unnecessary to me.

In fact, I think a whole new name might be in order. Who else gets funny looks from other developers when they say they use Euphoria? I have had outright: "you use WHAT? what the hell is that?" He almost seemed offended by the notion. I think he might have thought it was a street drug.

Cheers, Nick.

Its not about what other developers think its about using a language that fits your needs.Many people (and im guilty of this to) seem to think that they are '1337' with major programming skills because they use de fecato lanuage x. eg.c and all its variants 'java,c#...'.

Also you would get the same reaction if you asked the developer if he ever coded in RPG.

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11. Re: Forked: should Euphoria logo use "Open"?

  • Posted by euphoric (admin) Sep 18, 2009
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ghaberek said...

I don't see how it's any different from other noun-based language names, like Ruby or Python.

Rubies and pythons are solids things. You can throw rubies and eat pythons. Can you throw or eat euphoria? No.

I rest my case.

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12. Re: Forked: should Euphoria logo use "Open"?

  • Posted by prickle Sep 18, 2009
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Fendaril said...

Its not about what other developers think its about using a language that fits your needs.Many people (and im guilty of this to) seem to think that they are '1337' with major programming skills because they use de fecato lanuage x. eg.c and all its variants 'java,c#...'.

Also you would get the same reaction if you asked the developer if he ever coded in RPG.

You are quite right about need but I thought we were interested in improving Euphoria's image. Generating good first impressions IMHO might help make it more mainstream. Surely that's part of the reason for the new icon?

BTW, RPG makes me think of Dungeons & Dragons. Is it for role playing games? if so, it is a perfect name. smile Plus, I doubt it would evoke such an emotive response from deadpan Denny.

Cheers, Nick.

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13. Re: Forked: should Euphoria logo use "Open"?

  • Posted by ghaberek (admin) Sep 18, 2009
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euphoric said...
ghaberek said...

I don't see how it's any different from other noun-based language names, like Ruby or Python.

Rubies and pythons are solids things. You can throw rubies and eat pythons. Can you throw or eat euphoria? No.

I rest my case.

It's still a noun. I can have a ruby or a python. I can also have euphoria.

-Greg

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14. Re: Forked: should Euphoria logo use "Open"?

  • Posted by jeremy (admin) Sep 18, 2009
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Fendaril said...
prickle said...

In fact, I think a whole new name might be in order. Who else gets funny looks from other developers when they say they use Euphoria? I have had outright: "you use WHAT? what the hell is that?" He almost seemed offended by the notion. I think he might have thought it was a street drug.

Its not about what other developers think its about using a language that fits your needs.Many people (and im guilty of this to) seem to think that they are '1337' with major programming skills because they use de fecato lanuage x. eg.c and all its variants 'java,c#...'.

It depends on if you are trying to sell your use of Euphoria for your next work project or not.

Jeremy

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15. Re: Forked: should Euphoria logo use "Open"?

  • Posted by euphoric (admin) Sep 18, 2009
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jeremy said...

It depends on if you are trying to sell your use of Euphoria for your next work project or not.

Yeah. Consider these:

"I program in C." "I program in assembly." "I program in Euphoria." "I program in TooL." "I program in Your Mom's Basement." "I program in Xtatic." "I program in Python." "I program in C."

Notice that all of these have FEWER than 4 syllables. "Euphoria" is the only one with 4 syllables. No other language on the planet has that many syllables. Well, except for "Your Mom's Basement."

So, we obviously need a language with at most 3 syllables. At best, one.

TooL. The only programming language you'll ever need ever again.

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16. Re: Forked: should Euphoria logo use "Open"?

  • Posted by ghaberek (admin) Sep 18, 2009
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euphoric said...

"Euphoria" is the only one with 4 syllables.

What about "O-pen-Wat-com"? grin

-Greg

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17. Re: Forked: should Euphoria logo use "Open"?

  • Posted by euphoric (admin) Sep 18, 2009
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ghaberek said...

What about "O-pen-Wat-com"? grin

HAHAHA! Doesn't count! NOt a programming language! ChEATER!

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18. Re: Forked: should Euphoria logo use "Open"?

  • Posted by Critic Sep 19, 2009
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euphoric said...

TooL. The only programming language you'll ever need ever again.

TooL. Always the wrong tool for the job. Masochists love it.

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19. Re: Forked: should Euphoria logo use "Open"?

I checked the dictionary of programming languages http://cgibin.erols.com/ziring/cgi-bin/cep/cep.pl

There is no E language. Make it short.

Jacques

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20. Re: Forked: should Euphoria logo use "Open"?

jacques_desch said...

I checked the dictionary of programming languages http://cgibin.erols.com/ziring/cgi-bin/cep/cep.pl

There is no E language. Make it short.

Jacques

Too late wikipedia report an E language. The above dictionary is not complete.

jacques

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21. Re: Forked: should Euphoria logo use "Open"?

  • Posted by jemima Sep 19, 2009
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euphoric said...

Please don't use "Open." Just "Euphoria."

Or some other name we collectively decide on.

I vote for "TooL." blink

You might as well call it P-eu-nis, or go the whole hog and drop the -u-. What about r-Eu-ined?

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22. Re: Forked: should Euphoria logo use "Open"?

  • Posted by mattlewis (admin) Sep 19, 2009
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jeremy said...

Do we want to use the word Open ?

I think that it makes sense for this website. I'd use the {eu}phoria logo, but in the same font, prefix it with Open. But keep the language name the same.

Matt

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23. Re: Forked: should Euphoria logo use "Open"?

  • Posted by raseu Sep 19, 2009
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just plain ' eui ' would suffice for me.

only small downside is that it's expansion
denotes the interpreter, and does'nt account for the
'C' translation/code generation which may discourage
new users when the name is expaneded to
euphoria interpreter

'euic' for me would be a non-starter as it sounds
too much like 'yuck' (as in nasty, horrible)

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