RE: Let me try once more
Hi Chris,
What I am saying is that Lisp is the classic language for writing self-modifying
code. If you want to do that, why not learn to do it in a language that was
practically designed for the purpose, encourages it, etc.?
C will not do it for you, unless you write an interpreter of some sort in C.
(Your C program modifies its own source, invokes the compiler and linker, and
then forks to (or spawns) the modified program? Conceivable, but I wouldn't
recommend it.)
I sent this link to a couple of others privately:
http://tunes.org/Review/Languages.html#CLISP
It's interesting to read this fellow's reviews of various languages. I agree
very closely with what he has to say about C/C++ and Java.... Anyway, he provides
a very positive spin on Lisp. (He actually LIKES the syntax.)
George
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On Mon, 29 Jan 2001 23:23:00
Chris Bensler wrote:
>So what you're saying is...
>
>I should code the body of my code in EU, and try and figure out a way to
>incorperate that with Lisp as well?
>
>Why not just use C? This would be another language I would have to go
>through to achieve that goal..
>If I'm going to go through the trouble of translating my EU code to C,
>and Learning Lisp, and Translating THAT to C. Why not just learn C and
>be done with the middle men?
>My code would end up being less complicated than trying to do that
>stuff.
>
>Would defeat the entire purpose of even using Eu in the first place..
>Eu certainly wouldn't save me time in that case..
>And frankly, I'm not interested in learning lisp.. for the sake of ONE
>feature that is better..
>
>Hope I made SOME sense... LOL
>Chris
>
>George Henry wrote:
>> Not trying to discourage anyone from programming In Euphoria, but y'all
>> with all the great (or at least great-sounding) ideas for self-modifying
>> programs would have a lot more impact, I think, if you could write
>> something like, "I implemented 'Dweeble the Frot' in *Lisp* -- it's this
>> great program that reveals the mysteries of life after running for
>> 142,000 hours on this old Cray 1 I bought at Army-Navy Surplus, and I
>> surely would like to translate it into Euphoria, only it is
>> SELF-MODIFYING, you see, and it won't work any other way, and Euphoria
>> doesn't support that!" (Silly example not intended to be sarcastic or
>> negative in any way.)
>>
>> Sounds like I'm pushing Lisp, but all I'm saying is, there are perfectly
>> good languages for doing what you propose, and unless/until Rob changes
>> his mind about executing code-as-data, Euphoria isn't one of them.
>>
>> George
>> --
>>
>> On Mon, 29 Jan 2001 07:47:01
>> Chris Bensler wrote:
>> >I think this could be invaluable..
>> >Self modifying progs!! Woo hoo!! I'd love it..
>> >
>> >I've dabble a tad with evolving progs.. and there' no better way to
>> >build a speach prog for one.
>> >
>> >I've wanted to build a sort of game that would have user built robots
>> >that would learn through experience.. Not possible in EU.. without
>> >writing my own scripting language..
>> >
>> >How about an OS that knows whose using the comp, and can adjust
>> >specifically to suit their needs/preference of operation..
>> >It could learn exactly how you want the comp to start up, and what you
>> >want to do.. It could even learn what you don't want and get rid of it
>> >for you!!
>> >True, this could be implemented through cfg. files, but not nearly as
>> >intimately.. not to mention, people could tamper with the cfg's
>> >
>> >How about chaos based AI's in games? As it is, you play any game there
>> >is out there, and soon you WILL master it.. what if the COMP could
>> >master you?! Anaihilating you every time!! (how do you spell that?)
>> >Sure, they say that the AI's can learn nowadays, but they are still
>> >limited to whatever the programmer has thought up in the first place..
>> >They just change their tactics..
>> >
>> >Off the topic of AI applications..
>> >What about user designed routines? With this ability, you could allow
>> >users to modify their apps to suit THEM specifically.. Like macros..
>> >
>> >How 'bout plugins?
>> >
>> >
>> >Hmm, have had other ideas in the past, but they escape me now..
>> >
>> >Chris
>> >
>> >
>> >Kat wrote:
>> >> <still pleading> it's *very* useful in Ai languages, and i use it in
>> >> critical learning points
>> >> in mirc. It would be the easiest way in the world to do totally custom
>> >> and unforseen
>> >> spreadsheets.
>> >
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