Re: A proposal for Euphoria
Subject: Re: A proposal for Euphoria
Pete Lomax wrote:
>
> On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 18:31:34 -0700, Jeremy Peterson
> <guest at RapidEuphoria.com> wrote:
>
> >Plus version of Edita? I only know about the regular version.
> >Could you enlighten me on the plus version's features? 
> See <a
href="http://palacebuilders.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/edita.htm#download">http://
palacebuilders.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/edita.htm#download</a>
> The "plus" release contains everything you might need to edit and run
> Euphoria programs, however it is intended for demonstration only: at
> some point you are expected to delete some files (those listed in
> pkzplus.lst) and install a full version of Euphoria (from
> www.rapideuphoria.com, the free version will suffice).
>
> I suspect what you want to do is either:
> a) require Euphoria to be installed first, or
> b) do it properly, unlike my "plus" version.
I don't exactly understand what is improper about your "plus" version.
> BTW, you may prefer to examine zip files (left column) rather than the
> "windows installer"s. If you install either to a new folder, then
> later delete that folder, your system will be left unchanged.
Since this is for beginners, I had written the setup program to setup file
associations for .ex .exw and .e just like the regular Euphoria setup
program.
> >I picked Crimson because 1. I like using it, it's a very handy editor,
> 2. It's a very small 1MB setup file, 3. Um well there is no 3.</font></i>
>
> Thing is, it is OK for you to prefer Crimson, but you can't add an
> Eu-specific feature to it, like you can with an editor written in Eu.
> Even if you choose one of the many other editors available in the
> archives, at least choose one written in Eu.
> >I still think having a single package you DL is easier for both me and
the person
> downloading it.</font></i>
> Depends how you view it, short term or long term. At the moment you
> say 4.7MB; if this concept works, it'll grow. Will you feel the same
> when your "basics" grows into "recommended libraries and utilities" at
> 60MB?
Well, I think the basic version should always remain the same:
Euphoria-Windows Programming Kit, containing Euphoria(current version),
Win32Lib, Enhanced IDE, a Help file, and whichever code editor I pick.
So it shouldn't ever get that large.
If later myself or someone else creates a "recommended libraries and
utilities"(Which is a good idea), it should be a separate package.
No, I'm not being hypocritical, they wouldn't have to search because Rob
would have a link to it on the main site page.
> Why would you stop at making it easy to install six things?
> I fully agree about not "searching for" other packages.
> Regards,
> Pete
>
It might be a good idea for someone to create a .zip(or installer)
containing a set of libraries that most people will find useful.
Jeremy
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If I understand you properly, people new to Euphoria and using Linux are not
entitled to any GUI tool right from the start, they are to fend off by
themselves and find a suitable library in the archive?
Not a good idea IMHO. Please change Win32lib to something cross platform,
wxEuphoria or w/xmotor OTOH (or anything else as long as it is xplat).
People who wish to have some platform-specific tool can look for it in the
Archive.
And while I am at it, why are the Euphoria graphic demo Windows only? v3.0
could ship something as truly cross platform as the language itself or the
commercial arguments drawn from this feature.
CChris
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