Re: Euphoria's Future
On Wed, 17 Jan 2001 04:42:53 -0800, Meiven Angelica <ameiven at YAHOO.COM>
wrote:
>I find your poll to be a very good initiative,
>it just might get Robert Craig to implement these
>features we have all longed for for a very long time.
Thanks for responding Angelica.
I think that brings it to about half a dozen people
with positive feedback about the survey idea which is
about enough to get it off the ground!
Does anyone know of a free web site where a list can
be created/modified and viewed by many people???
ie. to setup a page on the web where people can add
what they would like on the survey ... or to put it
another way ... what they would like to see in Euphoria!
I'm thinking of www.egroups.com but it seems a little
silly to setup a maillist just to use the database feature.
Anyone have any ideas about free web based databases?
>I think the feature that we would all be most
>interested in, would be a new addition to the RDS
>staff.
>Someone that can program in both C and Euphoria
>extremely well.
>And has a better "marketing feel" than Robert.
>Someone that will listen to what we want and implement
>it.
>In accordance to Robert's standards of the Euphoria
>language, off course.
I agree. I imagine it would be a little difficult as
I'd guess Euphoria is more of a hobby for Rob then a
business. Anyone joining RDS would obviously need to
have this same hobby.
I don't beleive Euphoria could (in the short term ...
and possibly never) be a full time job for any developer.
>The reason for languages such as Python, Tcl and Java
>to succeed in a very small amount of time, is because
>they aren't proprietary.
Java is a little different but yes ... if Rob ever did
open source Euphoria it would be the biggest and greatest
thing that ever happened. It would probaby take 1-2 years
before we starting seeing the results but presonally I
think the future would be much brighter.
I believe it's the old chicken and egg problem here ...
At the moment Euphoria isn't hugely popular like the
Pythons or Perls ... There are companies offering
commercial support for these languages ... ie making money
from these langauges.
I don't think Euphoria is advanced enough at the moment
that if it did go open source that business oppurtutites
would exist.
If it did go open source now within a few years of a lot
of work from a few people it "might" be possible for people
to make money from a much larger user base and further
developed product.
What that means is Rob would lose (or not gain) any
financial benefit for a number of years ... and maybe never.
I don't think anyone could ask anyone to give something
so good away, that has taken so much work to achieve.
I think the only way at looking at the option of going open
source is for the sake of Euphoria itself (the Euphoria
community) and how much more, and how much better Euphoria
could be with multiple developers.
>Euphoria is more of a product, and not a language.
I disagree with this. I think Euphoria is just a language.
I think things like Visual Basic and Delphi are more like
development environments.
If Visual Basic delivered the same as Euphoria you could
kiss goodbye the GUI IDE, GUI designer, OO support (as limiting
as it is in VB), the dozens of libraries available (TCP,
Data Access, Grid controls, COM/ActiveX support, etc
>What he *could* do, however, would be to assemble a
>small OpenEU, or Portable Euphoria, which would be a
>subset of the interpreter, yet in portable ANSI C
>source code for anyone to download and embed.
>Why would this be beneficial to RDS?
>Imagine Euphoria-enabled browsers using RDS source,
>games that use Euphoria as scripting language,
>EuScript as a way to write macros for commercial
>programs, etc.
This is a great idea. For all the people who say ...
where's the MAC or Solaris version ... there would be.
Basically removing all OS specific code that isn't
available from the C compiler.
It would probably look more like a scripting language
but I still think it's something that could be very
popular.
Ray Smith
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