RE: Couple questions/"features" about Judith's IDE
>> Also, weird behavior from the group control. I originally had a form
>> layed out without groups, then decided it would look better and be
>> easier to change it if I had a bunch of EditTexts on groups instead. So
>> I moved them over. I had the darnedest time getting them to work right.
>> <<
>> I would try to edit the location in the property sheet so that I could
>> line them up, but it kept sending them to the location as soon as I
>> started typing the numbers, so if it was supposed to be 100, it would
>> send it to location 1. <<
> To add existing EditTexts, or any control, to a new control, such as a
> group, first select and drop the group onto Form Design. The easy way to
> move the EditTexts to the Group is via mouse or keyboard arrow keys. <
> Properties was designed to be instantly interactive with Design but I've
> changed that behavior for a few Properties attributes. I've got an
> outstanding request on my ToDo list to change X, Y, CX and CY only after
> an enter key but I have not gotten to it yet. <
I did move them onto the control by mouse, but then to get the spacing
exactly right, I tried to edit the location via property sheet, and
that's when the fun began. I can live with having to do it with keyboard
arrows if I can get the same fine control as typing it into the property
sheet.
>> That wasn't the worst part. Sometimes after it would do that, it would
>> automatically go to the next control, so I would be typing in the wrong
>> location for that control also. Quite the pain.<<
> I'm not sure how the next control got into Properties. Could you perhaps
> have clicked in Design?
Nope, I was typing away in the property sheet. I think what happened,
now that you explained that property sheet responds instantaneously, is
that the property sheet, and location in particular had focus. I started
typing in the new location. It took the first number, decided I was
done, and went to the next control since the property sheet still had
focus. If I can change locations with the keyboard, then this won't be a
problem any more.
>> Then after I had it set and saved, I tried to move the group, and all of
>> them moved fine except one. None of the controls moved with that group.
>> <<
>> I have no idea what was different about that one.<<
> You tried to move with mouse or via Properties? It could be that the
> problems you encountered with Properties did not assign parenting to the
> EditTexts properly. When a control is moved into a container control,
> the container becomes its parent, until the control is moved away
> again.<
> Also some containers will try to obtain parenting over a control it is
> moved over.<
I was using the mouse to move the group.
>> Seems it would be really handy to have a multiple select (I've mentioned
>> this before), or to make it clear how to do it if it's already there. It
>> doesn't seem to follow the Windows standard if it is.<<
> I have a request for multiple control select for Properties caption. I
> intend to use left click followed by ctrl+left click for additional
> selections. I would change all selected controls to the caption
> subsequently entered for the first one. I made a stab at this request
> awhile back without success. What attributes would you be wanting to
> change with multiple select?<
It would be nice to be able to set them all the same size, and the same
caption, color, parent, etc. but what I'm really looking for is the
ability to move a group without using a group control. The group control
is an okay workaround, I just don't like the border and caption.
Sometimes I would like it to be blank. Is there a way to turn off the
border and caption? Using a space for a caption still shows a blank spot
in the border, but that obviously doesn't matter if you can turn the
border off.
>> Another thing that would go well would be a way to lay out controls in a
>> grid, automatically. There may be a way now, but it wasn't obvious if
>> so.<<
> Look at TABLE control. There are specific instructions how to use it in
> IDE.htm near the bottom of the document.<
Thanks. I figured I was just missing it.
>> One other thing: is there going to be some documentation at some
>> point?<<
>Other than IDE.htm? I'm working on a "Guide for new users of IDE" but it
>is very sketchy at this point. I've also been asked for a Tutorial.<
>IDE.htm is not well organized. There are so many requests for IDE that
>documentation keeps sliding back.<
>> Most of the stuff was pretty intuitive if you've used VB or Builder or
>> Delphi before, but I wasn't sure about how to use the code editor
>> (though I figured it out eventually) or the module stuff. <<
>>Still, even with the small flaws, well worth the time spent on it. Good
>>job!<<
> Thanks. Many people have made suggestions and offered code. They all
> deserve credit.<
Agreed.
One other thing now that I'm thinking about it. I set the locations for
the refman and win32lib html files, but didn't see how you could bring
them up from the program.
> Judith
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