OpenEuphoria

Re: Ken's abrasiveness

• Posted by Jason Gade <jaygade at ?ahoo?com> May 29, 2008
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CChris wrote:
> While I have been here for 6 years only I think, watched quite a few rants and
> requests from you (and agreeing with I'd say 60% of them) being consistently
> rejected, and definitively shared this frustrating experience of banging head
> against a wall of inertia, minimalism and sometimes sheer ignorance, I can
> tell
> you that it is not hopeless.
> 
> If I started Æ a few years ago, and left it to dust later, it was because I
> was appalled by the rejection of features that are (soon were) so
> conspicuously
> missing. I can tell you that, last automn, I was about to leave this forum for
> good, as I was not developing anything in Eu any longer.
> 
> Then there has been the hasty release of win32lib 70.1, where I had put some
> work; I had to take care. And now that some prominent conservatives don't
> appear
> to be around anymore, we have this upheaval leading to 4.0 taking place, and
> parts of that wretched Æ code is now being merged (by me) into 4.0. 
> 
> So... while I certainly understand the irritation (a stronger term could be
> more appropriate, I bet), because I have felt it for so long, the fact is that
> drastic changes are taking place. Perhaps are we mutating from a dandy
> language
> to a certainly elegant, but far more practical, language.
> 
> While there is opposition (but  not as fierce as it once was) to goto, and
> while
> I'm afraid a native (wchar[] like) string type would be possible only with a
> massive rewrite of the interpreter, other areas are probably much mor open
> than
> they have ever been. I think an improved debugger or string execution are part
> of them.
> 
> Whether those could make it in 4.0 alpha, 4.0 stable or 4.1 is a timetable
> issue.
> I dare to say practicality is starting to win over modern art in shaping Eu
> design. As far as I'm concerned, I keep on pushing.
> 
> CChris

And some of us will continuously fight against the inclusion of misfeatures, as
we see them, and the pollution of the language, until we tire of arguing and
leave this place too.

Once Euphoria loses its beauty, looks like every other language out there, and
there is no longer anything worthwhile to distinguish it from anything else.

I know that I was close to that point yesterday, and I'm sure that I'll be
pushed to that brink again and again with all of these proposals that come up.

--
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple
system that works.
--John Gall's 15th law of Systemantics.

"Premature optimization is the root of all evil in programming."
--C.A.R. Hoare

j.