Re: Ken's abrasiveness
Matt Lewis wrote:
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> Kat, I respect you, and I rarely raise to answer rants like this, but here
> goes...
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> Kat wrote:
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> > Yea, you can't just stroll in here, spend 10 years coding in Euphoria, and
> > ask for things to change! Don't expect you'll get nested routines like you
> > asked for the first month you were here, or goto, or case/switch, or 64bit
> > integers, or 8bit string types, or multiple inheritance in classes, or
> > eval() / string execution, or "reverse" name resolution, or the latest
> > OS's 64bit function calls, or a real debugger that can edit the variable's
> > values, or anything else. If they ever do arrive, they'll be because
> > someone else thought of them.
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> It hasn't been that long since euphoria's been open source. There still
> aren't many people who understand how to change things, especially in the
> back end. Some of these things aren't trivial, maybe aren't even possible
> without a full rewrite. I think everyone could cite an example of where
> their favorite feature has been rejected by the community.
I feel like *all* of my suggestions were rejected over the years. Even from the
start, with string types, nesting procedures, and a debugger that can change the
var's values. And of course, goto. And string execution. and sheesh, the brick
wall i ran into with strings at all, right down to "why would you want to parse a
string?, you don't want Euphoria for that!, go back to mirc and pascal!". Just
comparing Eu to the most used capabilities of Mirc and Turbo Pascal would show
features Eu could use to be more versatile!
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> Hey, we're programmers, which means we're a bunch of pedantic detail freaks
> with strong opinions about everything. It turns out that most of the folks
> around here disagree with you on that particular issue.
Which particular issue?, because i see obstacles (humans) in front of *every*
issue. Even me making eunet http functions threadsafe! I know someone will do it,
and maybe they will even lift the code i did eubot with, just like i was going to
do, but it's not acceptable for ME to do it, so i quit working on it. So i won't
be releasing the next strtok.e either, let CK do it the "true euphorian" way.
> > So welcome to Euphoria, Ken! Put on a manic clown face like CK's (not that
> > he is a manic clown, i did not say that) so you'll be well liked, and be
> > prepared to wait forever for requested features. Yes, Euphoria is better
> > than most languages, but it still has holes in it. Just sit back and take
> > what you are given, don't rock the boat.
>
> The problem is we can't even agree on which are holes, or how big they are.
Oh come on! One look at the offshoots of Eu over the years should demo the huge
holes Eu has, starting with OOEU, then Bach, way back to the stuff David Cuny
did, all those preprocessors and parsers, etc.. RDS said they'd be happy if
someone did a debugger in a gui way, so you did one, and it wasn't jumped on!
IIRC, someone did a gui debugger in another programming language once too. It's
extremely disappointing. Instead of "yes, you can do that in Eu", you get "i
wonder if that can be done in Eu." Other languages are starting up with some form
of unicode built in, but despite being asked for in Eu, it's a debate as to if
it's worthwhile?? How arrogantly american to tell all the rest of the world to
7bit ascii-zise their languages or get lost!
I figure this is my last rant, i am tired of wasting my breath and time.
Kat
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