Re: Ken's abrasiveness
Matt Lewis wrote:
>
> ken mortenson wrote:
> >
> > For example you may note that I made a post which concedes that Euphoria
> > can be coded in a finely granular modular way. My experience is that
> > without a development environment that is supportive it, it fails as
> > practical matter. This is an important issue for me, because I want a
> > productivity tool and I'm tired of the limitations VB imposes on me.
>
> I'd make a similar note about VB. It's certainly possible to code in a
> modular fashion, but most of the VB code I've encountered is far worse in
> this aspect than the euphoria code I've encountered.
>
> I'm sure some of the tension that some have noted is based on the fact that
> you only recently started participating in the community, which I tend to
> think of as a pretty tight knit group that's generally really good at
> welcoming newcomers, but not so much when what are probably questions about
> how euphoria works come across as criticism, both of the language and of
> the participants (regardless of the intent).
>
> In part, it's difficult to imagine someone having such strong opinions about
> how the language functions when he clearly has very little experience with
> it. Granted, having lots of outside experience can help those opinions,
> but your remarks still seemed to show a fair amount of ignorance with
> respect to euphoria. I'd challenge you to find a forum that does a better
> job at integrating new members, but it usually takes some work on the
> part of the new members, too.
Yea, you can't just stroll in here, spend 10 years coding in Euphoria, and ask
for things to change! Don't expect you'll get nested routines like you asked for
the first month you were here, or goto, or case/switch, or 64bit integers, or
8bit string types, or multiple inheritance in classes, or eval() / string
execution, or "reverse" name resolution, or the latest OS's 64bit function calls,
or a real debugger that can edit the variable's values, or anything else. If they
ever do arrive, they'll be because someone else thought of them. And with only 10
years experience in using Eu, expect your code to be called carp, even if it's
being used and was the only *working* code of it's type when you wrote it! And
can't just say things you think are obvious, you *must* justify to the most
excruciating details all facts anyone can think of to ask about, to back up your
statements, over and over and over again, for years, and to do so will make you
an irritant, troublemaker,, you won't be tenacious, you'll be stubborn. So
welcome to Euphoria, Ken! Put on a manic clown face like CK's (not that he is a
manic clown, i did not say that) so you'll be well liked, and be prepared to wait
forever for requested features. Yes, Euphoria is better than most languages, but
it still has holes in it. Just sit back and take what you are given, don't rock
the boat.
Kat
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