Re: [GEN] Re: POLL: Split the List?
In furtherance of 2c (sorry, I can't find a way to negate your second concern)
Both concerns are valid, I agree - but not *equally* valid. It's possible for
subscribers to filter out posts irrelevant to their interests, but no ethical or
remotely feasible way exists to "filter in" your private email with other
developers. While I personally at the moment am not interested in the many posts
regarding IDE details, I don't even bother to filter them out because "IDE
problems" are not at all unique - sooner or later I expect I'll run into similar
ones, and will be glad to remember (or look up) what you've already learned and
documented.
Personally, I think it's very ballsy and admirable of you to be willing to
discuss your problems and mistakes in public. If the volume of traffic is a real
issue, we ought to direct the exclusionary attitudes toward the juvenile "flame
wars" over languages and OS's which are blatantly off-topic (and totally
uninformative) - there are lots of alternate existing forums for that activity.
Ben
Dan B Moyer wrote:
> Bernie,
>
> I'm really conflicted on this issue. You, and Jiri (and probably Wolfgang?)
> (and possibly a substantial number of others?) would apparently like to see
> much fewer posts here relating to the *details* of the development of
> Windows stuff.
>
> I have two concerns about this:
>
> 1. I can see your point, *and* I (also) don't want to piss off some of the
> best programmers on the list, both because it's just not my style/nature,
> and because I am, to be painfully honest, not very good at programming &
> need all the help I can get (& pissing off the best obviously isn't a good
> way to go about getting that help); so with these in mind, I would be
> inclined to simply take your advice, and refrain from posting questions /
> bug reports / suggestions about the development of the IDE and Win32Lib
> *here*, and send such privately to the relevant developer(s);
>
> 2. However, a number of factors suggest otherwise:
> a) Judith and I have both received private mail *requesting* keeping the
> IDE design *details* public, so that others can both *follow* the direction
> of its design, and offer comments relating to *guiding* that direction;
> b) some on the list have indicated that they *appreciate* seeing the
> detail of the development of the IDE, because it shows them that it's being
> worked on seriously ("...Judith sounds like she's picking at every damn
> thing, which is very good to see someone beating away at it.");
> c) when the details of the development of the IDE (or any other project)
> are public, problems which come up may be read by a wider audience, and
> *solutions* offered from that wider audience which might not have occurred
> (or occurred as quickly) to the coder themselve(s), which is a good thing,
> and not outside the fundamental purpose of the list.
>
> The above two concerns seem to me to be entirely (and equally) valid; my
> support for the suggestion to separate the list was just an effort to
> attempt to reconcile *both* of them. I would welcome any better suggestion
> for reconciling *both* concerns, or arguments which negate my second
> concern.
>
> Dan
> (who wants to do the right thing)
>
> P.S.
> sent to the list instead of private due to concern 2c
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bernie" <xotron at PCOM.NET>
> To: <EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU>
> Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 8:54 AM
> Subject: Re: POLL: Split the List?
>
> > On Thu, 12 Oct 2000 19:01:37 +0930, Mark Brown <mabrown at SENET.COM.AU>
> wrote:
> >
> > >Hi Dan
> > >
> > >I vote a big NO WAY to splitting up the list.
> >
> >
> > I also vote a big NO WAY to splitting up the list.
> >
> > When david was working on the win32lib he didn't post to the list
> > every time he change a line of code or came up with a different way
> > of displaying a control. I am sure that david used a lot of private
> > e-mail to design the win32lib and did not fill the list with unnessary
> > details.
> >
> > A another list is not necessary, only send your details to the
> developers
> > of win32lib by private e-mail so the new users and old users can use
> > the list to ask for help, and discuss other general topics including
> > windows.
> >
> > Bernie
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