Re: (c) Copyright Question
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Thankyou Derek Parnell and Isaac Raway, This was the kind of feedback
I was looking for.
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From: Isaac Raway
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Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 7:58 AM
Subject: Re: (c) Copyright Question
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Hayden McKay wrote:
So my question is; how are theese peices of code legaly copyright?
Or did the author of the code just decietfuly put the (c) logo there?
No. It is perfectly legal to copyright the contents of a text file,
which is what source code is. It is also legal to copyright the
compiled binary code. The USA currently DOES allow "software patents".
I found this brief description of the difference between copyrights
and patents to be useful:
To give you some of the biggest differences between copyrights
and patents: Copyrights cover the details of expression of a work.
Copyrights don't cover any ideas. Patents only cover ideas and the use
of ideas. Copyrights happen automatically. Patents are issued by a
patent office in response to an application. (Stallman, 2002)
n.b. I'm talking about functions, algorythms etc... NOT a
compliled computer program.
There is no difference between a compiled comuter program and it's
source code. The source code is simply a more convenient way of
editing the application. The two are conceptually the same, as they
express the same operation in different ways.
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For example lets asume peices of 'code' can be copyright
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If a 'so called' copyright function uses a Microsft Windows
*.dll, then under the same conditions the *.dll functions would be
copyright to Microsoft and the author of the 'so called' copyright
function has 'no right' to use the *.dll in his function and claim
copyright for himself.
The DLLs shipped with Windows are supplied for the express purpose
of being used by other applications. By obtaining a legal license to
run Windows, you may run any code that calls those DLLs. Writing code
that uses other copyrighted code isn't illegal. It's only illegal if
the person executing the code doesn't have the right to use that DLL,
as should anyone who has a legitimate copy of Windows.
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n.b My personal thoughts about copyright.
Stallman, 2002: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/stallman-patents.html
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thankyou Derek Parnell and Isaac Raway,
This was
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2004 7:58
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: (c) Copyright
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</PRE>Hayden McKay wrote:<BR>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>So my question is; how are theese
peices of
code legaly copyright?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Or did the author of the code just
decietfuly
put the (c) logo there?</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>No. It is
perfectly legal to
copyright the contents of a text file, which is what source code
is. It is
also legal to copyright the compiled binary code. The USA currently
DOES allow
"software patents". I found this brief description of the
difference between
copyrights and patents to be useful:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>To give you some of the biggest differences between
copyrights
and patents: Copyrights cover the details of expression of a work.
Copyrights don't cover any ideas. Patents only cover ideas and
the use of
ideas. Copyrights happen automatically. Patents are issued by a
patent
office in response to an application. (Stallman,
2002)<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite=mid943342706-1463792126-1073414680 at boing.topica.com
type="cite">
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>n.b. I'm talking about functions,
algorythms
etc... NOT a compliled computer
program.</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>There is no
difference between a compiled comuter program and it's source code.
The source
code is simply a more convenient way of editing the application.
The two are
conceptually the same, as they express the same operation in different
ways.<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite=mid943342706-1463792126-1073414680 at boing.topica.com
type="cite">
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>For example lets asume peices of
'code' can be copyright</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If a 'so called' copyright function
uses a
Microsft Windows *.dll, then under the same conditions the
*.dll
functions would be copyright to Microsoft and the author of the
'so called'
copyright function has 'no right' to use the *.dll in his
function and claim
copyright for himself.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>The DLLs shipped with Windows are
supplied for
the express purpose of being used by other applications. By
obtaining a legal
license to run Windows, you may run any code that calls those DLLs.
Writing
code that uses other copyrighted code isn't illegal. It's only
illegal if the
person executing the code doesn't have the right to use that DLL,
as should
anyone who has a legitimate copy of Windows.<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite=mid943342706-1463792126-1073414680 at boing.topica.com
type="cite">
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size=2>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>n.b My personal thoughts about
copyright.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV><FONT size=2><FONT
face=Arial></FONT></FONT><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>Stallman, 2002: <A
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