RE: Future of Euphoria
Hi, I'm new here, and would like to contribute what I know to the following
subject:
>Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 12:47:48 +0000
>From: Ray Smith <smithr at ix.net.au>
>Subject: RE: Future of Euphoria
>...Point 2:
>My view is ... if you want to make Euphoria more popular create
>something that will impress other people. This can include ...
>* Software of any kind, (games, business apps, utilities, libraries,
>web apps).
>* A Web page(s) - there are lots of things you can write about like:
> 1. An in depth review of contributed software in the archive, screen
>shots, instructions, comparisons with similiar software.
> 2. Getting started guide.
> 3. A tutorial on any area of programming ... a good one would be how
>to use DLL's and shared libraries!
> 4. How to write games...
>Ray Smith
To show a timely example of this timely point, consider that I emailed
Euphoria's official email addy from the Eu site a couple days ago and
received this reply (including my question at top):
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> Do you have a list of (notable) end-user stand-alone .exe progams which
> might represent what has and can be done with Euphoria ?
Impressive DOS Games:
LemonHeads (5Mb)
OidZone
Go through the 900+ file Archive,
http://www.rapideuphoria.com/archive.htm
looking at the programs that have the highest
"MicroEconomy" money - the little happy face symbol.
Those are (by and large) the best programs (or libraries).
To save space, some are not in .exe form, so you'll need to
install Euphoria first to run them. With the registered version
of Euphoria, you can make any program into a stand-alone .exe.
Some games and finished programs didn't get much
MicroEconomy money because, while impressive,
they aren't particularly useful to the programmers who do the voting.
Regards,
Rob Craig
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I have to say that this doesn't quite cut the mustard, and, although I was
very interested in Euphoria as a simpler alternative to the C+'s to learn
(I have learned BASIC and LISP only), I'm not too convinced that it's worth
my investment of time to learn if I wish to create professional
applications.
I cannot say that you'll succeed very well in attracting attention if you
don't have anything to attract attention with; furthermore, having to d/l
and install Euphoria just to see what it can do outside of Euphoria is
mighty backwards in reasoning, not at all an impressive feat for a
programming language, and even presumes Euphorian knowledge -YIKES!!!!
Certainly having at least an excellent installer and editing environment (I
point out a freeware HTML editor, "1st Page 2000" as comfortable ideal to be
aspired to) would be a nice start.
If you are concerned about Euphoria's future, you might want to take heed to
what Mr. Rob Craig has pointed out. A quick suvey of the work done in
Euphoria shows lots of programs about programming Euphoria, with, evidently,
only two impressive DOS games to show for it all.
(I mean no offense to the respective pogrammers, but DOS games are no longer
considered impressive by the general public, nor by professional
programmers.)
You may have argument to this, but that's exactly as it appears to the
outsider.
I'll be honest and tell you that I took one look at the 'officially
sponsored' editor and said "I'm not going to spend six months or a year in
this working environment just to be able to create an appropriate working
environment just so I can THEN begin work on an actual application - I'd
rather learn C++ with all that time since it's a given that I'll be able to
accomplish what I wish with it."
I think this is very unfortunate, since a simpler and versatile alternative
to the stringent and difficult languages would certainly be welcome by many,
I would think. Anything which teaches or shows about Euphoria is on the
Euphorian site ... and there's really nothing there. The language is easily
understandable and logicly simple enough, but, to tell the truth, I can't fi
gure out how to actually USE it! LOL call me an idiot, but the actual
Euphorian language is simple as pie and seems to have a short learning
curve, but I'm totally confounded as to what these xxx.e's are and .exw's
are and everything seems to open in DOS or DOS-editor environments and WILL
SOMEBODY DO SOMETHING IT'S THE 21ST CENTURY ALREADY!!!!
-Archetype aka Richard Skenderian
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