Re: nicer Install? (Was: RE: GOTO - A fresh perspective?)
- Posted by encephalon1 at msn.com Feb 11, 2002
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You're right, most kids don't know DOS; however, most kids don't want to learn a
programming language, either. Nearly all of the programmers I know, young and
old alike (including myself), learned DOS in order to learn a language of some
sort. I do agree that Eu could use an installer of some sort, but one way or
another they will eventually have to learn some kind of command driven OS; it's a
programmer friendly environment.
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From: Rod Jackson
Subject: nicer Install? (Was: RE: GOTO - A fresh perspective?)
void wrote:
> Btw. popularity is something that could be greatly improved by making it
> more accessable for beginners, f.i. after install people want to see an
> easy
> and friendly user interface.
Actually, this is something that I think might need some work. I've
given copies of Euphoria (along with PKUNZIP) to some of my high school
students, and in most cases, they can't figure out how to begin the
install.
Now, some might say that they shouldn't be trying to learn programming
if they can't handle that little ordeal, but I think that's not quite
fair. Unfortunately (IMVHO) we live in a Windows world, and most kids
don't know DOS. They've never heard of PKUNZIP, decompression is
transparently done for them. That's their world, and while I believe
they can learn to program right where they're at, I think having to jump
through unfamiliar hoops limits them.
A Windows-style installer sounds like a good idea. Not that Rob
necessarily needs to do it, if someone else can. It would help alot, at
least to the newbies in the programming realm (we can't expect them all
to jump in on their own.) As for an interface AFTER install... you're
talking about something like the QBasic screen, interactive? Hmmm, a
good idea as a seperate program I think--possibly with newbies being
asked if they want to jump to it after install. Perhaps something like
what 'E!' tried to be, with more features, using some of the
Eu-written-in-Eu code that's out there....
> And clear examples ("for dummies") for
> everything, from a simple "hello world" to creating and accessing DLL's.
Ah, that sounds like you're wanting a book, which is another good idea
that maybe someone will write someday. If it could be included as text
with Euphoria, that would be even better!
Rod Jackson
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learn a programming language, either. Nearly all of the programmers I know,
young and old alike (including myself), learned DOS in order to learn
a language of some sort. I do agree that Eu could use an installer of
some sort, but one way or another they will eventually have to learn some kind of
command driven OS; it's a programmer friendly environment.</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE
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============<BR><BR><BR>void wrote:<BR>> Btw. popularity is something that
could be greatly improved by making it<BR>> more accessable for beginners,
f.i. after install people want to see an<BR>> easy<BR>> and friendly user
interface.<BR><BR>Actually, this is something that I think might need some work.
I've<BR>given copies of Euphoria (along with PKUNZIP) to some of my high
school<BR>students, and in most cases, they can't figure out how to begin
the<BR>install.<BR><BR>Now, some might say that they shouldn't be trying to learn
programming<BR>if they can't handle that little ordeal, but I think that's not
quite<BR>fair. Unfortunately (IMVHO) we live in a Windows world, and most
kids<BR>don't know DOS. They've never heard of PKUNZIP, decompression
is<BR>transparently done for them. That's their world, and while I
believe<BR>they can learn to program ri
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