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Re: Euphoria jobs?

• Posted by gertie at ad-tek.net Jun 19, 2001
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On 19 Jun 2001, at 9:53, Irv Mullins wrote:


> 
> On Tuesday 19 June 2001 00:51, Lewis Townsend wrote:
> 
> > Hello all,
> 
> > I am quite aware of the UNLIKELINESS of finding a Euphoria job that's why
> > I've
> > been looking for a VB job. I don't need any discouraging comments right now.
> > I
> > know there ar a lot more VB jobs out there but most of them require a lot of
> > experience and more in additional technologies that can be used with vb. I
> > have aproximately 2 years vb experience but more than 4 in Eu I think. 
> 
> Hi Lewis:
> 
> If someone came to me and asked "Do you have any hammer jobs?",
> that would worry me. If instead that person asked "Got any work for a good
> carpenter?", then he or she would have a much better chance of getting hired.
> And I wouldn't feel the need to wade thru an almost endless list of
> possibilities:  "Can you run a skilsaw, too?", 

Wow, not that *is* being overly specific! The last Skilsaw i bought lasted me 
2 days before a bearing fried on it. I replaced it with a Sears Craftsman 
circular saw, which is what i had been using before (and it had lasted me 21 
years), and haven't had any problems. I'd hate to haveto run thru the list of 
saw manufacturers on a job interview,, but if the employer asked me if i use 
Skilsaws, i'd say no way, they aren't reliable.


> "How about a level - ever used
> one of those?" :)
> 
> If you're specifically looking for a job with a company that has a large
> staff of programmers, then you'll obviously need to be able to work within the
> 'system', that's why _some_ jobs specify VB, or COBOL, or C++, whatever is
> commonly used at that shop. 
> 
> Often, however, such things are specified because a clueless HR 
> person has found those buzz words in a book and thinks they will 
> somehow weed out incompetent people, or because the CEO's 
> nephew uses VB and creates snazzy demos.
> 
> Either way, programming jobs with large companies are becoming 
> harder to get. There are lots of high-tech businesses failing right 
> now. And frankly, these jobs never offered much except good 
> pay which barely made up for the aggravation, anyway.  
> 
> I suggest a different approach: instead of looking for someone 
> who needs a hammer operator, look for someone who needs 
> a problem solved, and suggest that you, yourself,  are just the person 
> who can solve that problem. That's what I have been doing for the 
> past 20 years.
> 
> I rarely have a client express any interest in what software I am using to
> solve
> their computing problems. Most don't know or care at all, as long as the
> software does what they need and doesn't crash. 

The last times anyone asked me for a program, it was to solve a problem, 
and they couldn't tell one puter language from another. Of course, that also 
meant i'd haveto hold their hand 24-7 to use any program too, with a toll-free 
phone number, manuals, etc..

> It is easier and more productive if you begin in familiar territory;
> some type of business that you are already familiar with. What kind 
> of *non-programming* work have you done in the past?
> 
> It also helps to concentrate on smaller businesses, those 
> who can't justify a full-time programming staff. They'll 
> appreciate your efforts more, and there won't be an 
> entrenched bureaucracy to get in the way of you doing 
> your job. Besides, it's much harder to lay off their 'only' 
> programmer.
> 
> One final point - never, not once in the past 40 years, have I gotten a 
> good job from a want-ad or by using a placement service.
> If you rely on those to get work, you're in for a disappointment. 
> I'll elaborate on the methods that _do_ work, if anyone is interested.

I'm interested!

Kat