Re: Regarding Dot NET
D. Newhall wrote:
>
> Vincent wrote:
> >
> > cklester wrote:
> > >
> snip
> > >
> > > > Windows won't be so inferior to Linux anymore.
> > >
> > > That's a good one, V!!! <wiping tears>
> > >
> >
> > Well ofcourse you would disagree if your anti-microsoft. But the fact is
> > Microsoft
> > is working hard to greatly improve security, and realibilty of their future
> > OSes. It
> > may not turn out as quite as strong as some Linux or BSD distros, but it
> > sure is a
> > huge welcome to Windows users. It is also important to point out that the
> > biggest reason
> > Windows has these problems is become it is by far the most widely used
> > operating system.
> > I'm sure there would be many more problems if all this malicious software
> > was targeted
> > on Linux and BSD systems.
>
> A lot of it is. BSD is used by most commercial web servers and would be the
> prime target
> for malicious code if you wanted to interfere with a large company's buisness.
> Yet
> BSD has still survived these past 30 years being the most secure and stable OS
> available
> outside of the government.
>
There is a whole bunch aimed at typical user too.. In fact 100,000's of trojans,
worms, virues, adware, spyware, keyloggers, etc. all aimed at Windows users. Now
lets consider the average user, who just doesnt want the complexity of Unix based
systems. There are only a few Linux distros that I believe are friendly to use:
SuSE and Linspire. But if Windows is already installed, the typical user will
just live with it.
> > > > That will prevent Linux or BSD from ever dominating the desktop domain.
> > >
> > > I think (and hope) that Vista is too little too late. M$ does have a hold
> > > on the personal desktop, but with more and more corporations switching to
> > > Linux/BSD, I think that marketshare will erode over the course of the next
> > > 10-20 years. That's good news for the generation below me. :)
> >
> > That may be true currently, but once Vista is released at the end of 2006, I
> > suspect
> > that outlook will change. But currently the fact alone that 95% of new
> > computers come
> > with Windows pre-installed, and the fact that I cant go to just any computer
> > retail
> > store, and purchase Linux is a poor indication of your point. Stores dont
> > want to sell
> > software that you can legally get for free elsewhere.
> You can get copies of SuSE, Novell, and Red Hat Linux at Best Buy and Staples.
>
SuSE and Novell? arnt they using the basiclly the same core?: "Novell Linux
Desktop powered by SUSE LINUX". Red Hat and Fedora... I can download them for
free, I'm sure they are just flying off the selves ;). Unfortunatlly there
happens to be no Best Buy in Southern Oregon, or Frys Electronics :(.
>
> > 10 to 20 years from now, Windows will probably be a completley different
> > entity, not
> > even called Windows. Vista may be a little too late, but Microsoft will
> > spend billions
> > of dollars in marketing to get back in the game. Microsoft has huge amount
> > of power
> > because because of its money. Billions of dollars is little more than
> > ice-cream money
> > to Microsoft.
> > Microsoft has had a long history of falling behind and then catching up. In
> > the end
> > the one with the most money always wins.
> >
> > >
> > > > There could be an Euphoria.NET, but it would have to become a full
> > > > object oriented
> > > > language.
> > >
> > > Can you tell me why or point me to relevant articles?
> >
> > Well there could be an Euphoria to MSIL translator, but since the language
> > isnt even
> > OO, having the programmer handle .NET namespaces, classes, objects, etc.
> > would be a
> > big problem now wouldnt it. Anything is possible, but if it was done it
> > would be an
> > awful hack that everyone would want to avoid.
> You wouldn't need to. It's completely possible to write a Euphoria (or any
> other language)
> interpreter and have the user never even know it's using .NET.
>
Heh, right good "BS". You will still need the framework, and it would be one
huge internal wrapper.
> > >
> > > > I probably would still prefer C# over Euphoria.NET anyway, because of
> > > > the
> > > > support for pointers and structures.
> > >
> > > Is it because I come from a non-pointered, non-structures programming
> > > language
> > > background that I don't find the lack of these to be issues?
> >
> > Try VB.NET, unsafe code isnt possible in that language. You cannot use
> > pointers, or
> > any advanced memory handling. Operator overloading, and generics are new for
> > version
> > 2005. Most programmers like the terse syntax, and pointers of the C
> > derivents. It makes
> > them feel better about themselves, as if they were smarter. C# is a much
> > more popular
> > language than VB.NET and infact its alarming Microsoft.
> Actually, last I checked <a
> href="http://www.tiobe.com/tpci.htm">http://www.tiobe.com/tpci.htm</a> 6% of all
> programmers use VB
> whereas only 3% use C#.
>
July Headline: C# at new all time high, Visual Basic at lowest level of last 4
years. Besides I was talking about VB.NET (big difference). VB.NET rating is:
0.954%.
> The thing I don't know if you realize is that no one's going to switch to .NET
> immediately.
> Companies still need to make their stuff backwards compatible and rarely
> completely
> reengineer their software unless they have to. In fact, I HIGHLY doubt that by
> 2008
> everybody will be using .NET. Plus Microsoft is well know for their hyping the
> "new
> technology of the future" and end up going back to what they've done before.
> The hyped
> OS/2, tried to get a new internet protocol they designed standardized (and
> Bill Gates
> got laughed out of the commitee while doing so), and said they'd never add DOS
> compatability
> to NT (which they eventually did for backwads compatability). I expect MS to
> get a
> LOT of angry customers if they don't handle this well.
>
Well perhaps microsoft will extend support for Win32 a little longer, who knows.
Microsoft has lots of resources on migration to .NET, and those who wish to get
ahead with Vista, will have to move. According to Microsoft, 1000's of companies
are migrating to .NET each year.
> Also, in regards to your last post, why no mention of Apple and Mac OS X?
> That's probably
> MS's biggest competitor right now (and IMO have a much better product).
>
Apple's OS X Tiger is very impressive, but Apple computer market represents 1.8
percent of the worldwide desktop market and 2.9 percent of the global portable
market. In the United States, Apple’s strongest region, share is only 3.7
percent. Microsoft is competing with their OS, but Apple does not represent a
threat to Microsoft. In fact Apple could be herting themselves by the switch to
Intel architecure. Could a PC crack of MacOS X become available? Maybe.
>
> The Euphoria Standard Library project :
> <a href="http://esl.sourceforge.net/">http://esl.sourceforge.net/</a>
> The Euphoria Standard Library mailing list :
> <a
> href="https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/esl-discussion">https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/esl-discussion</a>
>
Regards,
Vincent
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