RE: New Euphoria Users Website
First of all, did you notice that in your excerpt, Robert Craig said I
'invited' him? I am by no meas any kind of authority, nor do I choose
to be. To infer that Robert Craig was overly swayed by _my_ complaining,
doews not say much about him. i'd like to think that he is quite a bit
more intelligent than that.
The choice to move to Topica was not mine. Granted it was my suggestion,
but after all the bickering about moderation, and the flame wars that
couldn't be stopped.. things needed to be done.
I took time out of my schedule to find a better solution, did YOU?
Just because I offer something, that does not mean that is the 'LAW'.
(BTW, FYI, the population of the EU mailing list jumped almost %50
within a 1/2 year of moving to Topica.)
BUT it sure would be NICE if people at least responded. In whatever
form. It's bad enough I have to wait sometimes more than 2 weeks to get
a reply to a common question( or at least to peice together the info
I've gotten from the mailing list). It really sucks, when you are trying
to do something for the benefit of everybody, and noone can even take
the time to say, nah.. Instead, I have to wait 2 or 3 weeks before
realizing that noone cares.
Noone is fragmenting anything..
Whatever offshoots of the EuForum community there are, have little to do
with me. If you are talking about the chatroom in general, it is not an
alternative for the mailing list, it is a supplemental tool.
And I didn't say that people had to agree with what I say. If that was
the case, there wouldn't be much point in saying it, would there?
I could really care less if other people get free stuff from RDS.
I know that more than half of the mailing list, are not registered
owners of EU, so I can understand them feeling "out of place" to comment
on an idea like the "Popularity Contest".
But there are more than enough registered users, and I'm SURE, that
more than half of us don't even use our RD$ donations. Myself included,
which is what prompted the idea in the first place.
So what's the big deal? Who cares if the idea IS a bust? Are we gonna be
hurt for trying? At least if we TRY, we have a chance of success.
In any event, it seems pretty ironic that we all want Robert Craig to do
something about the language, but not many of us have attempted to take
any initiative.
Yes, I know that time is a factor. but there are still things we can do,
instead of just inventing ideas, and then throwing them away.
Chris
Bernie Ryan wrote:
>
> Chris Bensler wrote:
> > > The fact that the mailing list is docile, is nothing unusual, it's a
> > > characteristic of the community style.
> >
> > As a prime example of what I'm talking about. How many of you replied to
> >
> >
> > the "Popularity Contest"? How many of you are gonna sit there on yer
> > tush and say "yeah, what a great idea", and how many of you are gonna
> > actually get out of yer chair, and stand up for what you want!?
> >
> > This idea is NOT a new idea. I've proposed it before, a _few_ times
> > already. There is no reason we can't do it, except for the fact that
> > either:
> > A:// people are too lazy to care
> > B:// due to the nature of the mailing list, we can't collaborate well
> > enough to decide on anything
> > C:// people simply _don't_ care
> >
> > I think I saw a total of 3 or 4 replies, and none of them offered their
> > donations, only 'better' ideas. It doesn't matter how good the idea is,
> > if that's all it will ever be.
> >
> >
> > Prove me wrong.
> >
> >
>
> Chris:
>
> We are on this list because YOU wanted to move to this list !
> Here is an excerpt from and old post that I qoute.
>
> -------------------------------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 17:53:13 -0500
> From: Robert Craig <rds at RAPIDEUPHORIA.COM>
> Organization: Rapid Deployment Software
> Subject: Moving The List
> To: EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU
>
> Chris Bensler set up a mailing list called EUforum
> at topica.com and he invited me to check it out.
> Over the past several days, I've tested all the features
> and it looks very good. It has an archive with searching,
> a Web interface for posting or viewing messages,
> plus the usual immediate, or digested e-mail distribution
> and posting. It has everything that this list has.
>
> -------------------------------------------------------
>
> What was the point of moving to this list ? You argued that
> it would improve the list at that time and now you want to
> create another list.
> Not every user is interested in everything that you are
> interested in. You seem to think that you are the only person
> on the list who has correct method of doing things and the
> other users can't collaborate well enough to decide on anything.
> Some of your code is same type of code that was used in libraries
> that I and many users wrote 3 years ago, so what is so new about
> your contributions ?
>
> Fragmenting the list is not helping Euphoria or any user on
> this list.
>
> Bernie
>
>
>
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