Re: recent events
Mike nelson writes:
>I have read the recent series of posts/flames with intense >discomfort and
>dismay. The personal attacks have got to stop and got to stop >now.
First,
>I apologize to Jok3r for my attacks on him as a "cracker"--for >the record,
I
>don't recant anything I wrote, but the fact that I wrote it to >the list
>rather than by private email.
>Some members of the list may be inclined to dismiss what I have >to say
>because I have myself transgressed--so be it. The fact that I >too am
wrong
>doesn't make flame wars right. We as a group are hurting too >many
feelings
>and losing too many members. The list seems to be no longer >about
>principles but about personalities--we seem to have opinions >about each
>other's motives, intelligence, integrity, and programming >skill. We are
>killing this wonderful community.
>For my part, I refuse to continue to harm the Eu community. I >have set
the
>following code of civility for myself:
>1. This list is about the Euphoria programming language--all >else (other
>languages, belief systems, lifestyles, morals, values, etc.) >are outside
>issues. If I have an opinion on an outside issue, I will keep >it to
myself
>or express it by private email.
>2. I will debate any Euphoria issue freely and fully according >to my
>convictions. If this causes me to attack a Euphoria idea or >program, I
will
>do so but will NOT attack the proponent of the idea or the >programmer.
>Doubtful cases will be resolved in favor of silence.
>3. I will not attack or even question anyone else's >intelligence,
>integrity, morality, beliefs, motives, or programming skill--no >matter
what
>my private opinion is.
>4. If my intelligence, integrity, etc. is attacked I will >defend myself
but
>not reply in kind.
>5. Should I transgress these guidelines, I will issue an >immediate and
>entire (no self-justification or excuses) public apology to the >offended
>individual and to the list.
>It is my sincere hope that others will adhere to similar >standards of
>civility.
>As for the exchange between Everett and Rob--it is tragic, and >I can't
agree
>with either of you about it. I will say no more publicly.
>Rett, sometimes you inspire me and sometimes you piss me off-->but you
always
>make me think and I value that--you have my email, please use >it.
>For anyone who wishes to discuss this topic or any other matter >privately
my
>email is
>mike-nelson-ODAAT at worldnet.att.net
>-- Mike Nelson
Well put Mike. I think your rules should be mandatory to the use of the
list. I myself am quite new at it, and am still learning to hold my breath.
Maybe another good suggestion for RDS would be to add a DEBATE forum where
users could vent (RULES still applying). This would probably be done best
with a RT chat forum with a voluntary operator to keep things civil and
uphold the rules. Though I don't know if there are enough active users
willing to participate as well as congregate at the same time.
It's difficult to express yourself properly through a letter 'cause everyone
interperets it differently.
In any case the debates NEED to be seperated from the EU msg list
if the list is to be useful as a learning aid.
This msg is a good example. It's pretty amazing that my one post ('Any
Ideas?') has evolved into this! In general, it defeats the purpose of the
list. A least you made your own post.
-- Chris Bensler
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