Re: Fluid Application Environment 3.0.alpha1 Released!
- Posted by jimcbrown (admin) Oct 13, 2013
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I have encouraged Ryan over the years in his work on FAE, i have not said a bad word about it <snip> I think FAE is a landmark feature addition to Euphoria in the world of gui OSs like windows and nix.
Seconded.
Before Ryan announced in this forum that FAE was complete enough to make a release, i believe i spotted yet another large leap FAE could make, not saying what sanctions i get if i make use of FAE as i would like (even tho it's licensed in such a way i could).
I support such leaps!
Oddly, contradicting himself, EUWX goes on to say:
He/she could then concentrate on creating a good application without worrying about the GUI and without worrying abolut any absent features.
I will even say that it is best to give a reasonably complete set of GUI functions and tell him to take it or leave it.
You mean Ry should not have written FAE, when there is already various other gui libraries in the archives, including the crossplatform Tk interfaces?
Excellent point! I agree in full (and disagree completely with EUWX).
There are too many people writing too many functions and modifications to Euphoria, and not enough programmers using the language. The time spent (wasted) in these so called modifications is better spent on promoting the language in forums and areas where it matters.
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Right. Lets struggle with what we have, not make any improvements. We should be begging other people to use whatever we have, instead of providing what they'd want to use. Shame on you Ryan!
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One of the reasons I was suggesting many "includes" into one and building a "no entry" wall around it was this concern.
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Right, stop all progress on FAE right now, and make it proprietary and encrypted and impossible to tweak and improve!
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You are so right here. I fully agree with having FluidAE supporting the ability to make custom widgets and allow other end-developers (as opposed to the end-user, who may not be a programmer and who just deals with the final application, not knowing it's FluidAE or Euphoria) to make addition tweaks and improvements.
Thus, I am heartened to see ryanj say that this is in fact allowed:
Yes, you could make your own custom widget classes,
The Document widget is the next piece that I am working on. In a way, it can create custom "widgets" inside it.
ryanj: My suggestion to you is to go ahead and finish the task the way YOU want to finish it, and then spend some time in giving us the demos and documentations. You then look at it later only when there are significant changes in windows APIs
Ryan has worked on FAE on and off for many years. I've encouraged a release before it was finished. I believe he's done the right thing in releasing now, and i suggest more demos now.
I was there, and it's true. I saw this. I agree (that it is the right thing).
I thought FAE would be just the thing to get me to leave a 32,000 byte dos/basic interpreter environment behind and program for a gigabyte gui operating system, but my last conversations with him in #euphoria ended badly, and he's going to stop short of the next step. I had hoped he could add 10 more lines of code to FAE to make all my dreams come true, and add even more functionality to OOEU-gui-tasks.
I hope he does too! If anyone could add those 10 lines, it's certainly ryanj.
And now EUWX is also saying i should be forbidden to add to FAE.
For the record, I completely and entirely disagree with EUWX.
Ryan has shut me down,
The problem is Ry said i cannot, he didn't build it to do that, and both you and he want no changes to it.
Perhaps he's just having a busy weekend, or got called into the office at the last minute at some emergency issue from his employer, and hasn't had time to respond yet?
I'm confident that ryanj will come back and say that he will allow custom widgets in FluidAE, and that he will add those 10 lines (once he figures out what they are), or I'll eat the paper used to write this post.
