Re: Does anyone have a copy of eukat's irc.e?
- Posted by jimcbrown (admin) Jun 04, 2013
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(I believe that robsz1 had objections to it,
Robsz1 preferred xchat. Fine.
This is true. However, I meant that I recalled that he had objections to the use of mIRC style coding with Euphoria code.
So did you.
I did not.
I wasn't trying to emulate mirc,
Ah, ok. I'll take your word for it.
But Eu had no gui.e, and still doesn't. I use windows, mirc is a useable versatile gui i could attach Eu code to in several ways, so i did. What did anyone else do to make a irc gui?
Good point. Jeremy did it, but it was half a decade later.
Not for irc. Unless you count the "chat" thing, which uses a dos console.
Hmm. I was under the impression he had made a version with EuIUP.
but this was roughly a decade ago
And we are still fighting over it,
Just you.
Takes two. This long post of your's is an extraordinary effort to disprove anything i say.
I'm just trying to get clarity. I have no problem accepting new information as it pops up, e.g.
I wasn't trying to emulate mirc,
Ah, ok. I'll take your word for it.
no one is cooperating on the subject,
In general, I see plently of cooperation with regards to the new stdlib sockets and net stuff. The lack of activity with IRC specifically is just that - not enough willing people with experience in that protocol to do anything useful.
I don't see anything going on. Last i saw, my efforts with http.e, task messaging, and news.e was being thrown out.
So all the efforts going into the ARM port, et al .. you haven't seen? Seems odd, considering you posted to a few of those threads.
there's still no gui.e,
True, not in the stdlib. wxEuphoria has emerged as the main nix GUI library, and is a 2nd contender after w32lib on Windoze. EuGTK has emerged as the other major nix GUI library.
I don't see a how-to or why-this in wxeuphoria.
I do recall some kind of beginners guide. Shouldn't be hard to look up for those who are interested.
you are going to pick apart anything i do or say,
Just as I do to the President! I call it critical thinking.
Hey, maybe it even be consider a vital part of designer thinking?
so why should i learn to write a gui for an irc.e that you don't want,
Perhaps you should ask if I want it first, before deciding arbiturarily that I don't.
So it's a real static situation,
True, there hasn't been anything new with IRC coding since Jeremy. I guess someone new just has to take the mantle.
Not counting, of course, the code i just sent to bugmagnet.
and cannot even acknowledge (below) that i just sent to bugmagnet?
Keeping in mind that you were the only one around for years, and .. you didn't produce any code that survived in all those years.
I do have high hopes for bugmagnet...
it's socks were on tcp4u (so it not working on linux wasn't my problem).
I did reach out to you on creating a merged version that worked both on windoze (via tcp4u) and on nix (as well as reaching out to jami for a nix version of tcp4u), but got nothing.
You know what? i still know nothing about interfacing a gui to nix!
I could have handled that. The idea was that I'd write a layer on top of my sockets code so it'd work on nix, and you would write a layer on top of tcp4u so it'd work on windoze as well, and then someone would rewrite the rest of the code so it'd use the middle layer.
v4 fixed the console hangups, added a socket library to replace tcp4u/3rd-party-dll/WinSock.ew/et al. So I'd say in 10 years, it's become a whole new world.
Yep, the irc.e you cannot ack uses sockets.e, tasks.e, and it works. But in a way, it is the same old world:
True, there hasn't been anything new with IRC coding since Jeremy.
As far as i know, no one made a gui as functional as mirc's for any irc bot in Euphoria,
I think rywilly's FluidAE/rybot may have. Jeremy's EuChat didn't, but it's easily extendable.
So has every irc bot i ever wrote, "easily extendable" to a gui, but it hasn't happened. Hence my belief a irc bot isn't wanted, Ai isn't wanted, i am not wanted.
I'm just speculating here, but IRC is pretty old. It simply may be less interesting for new coders to play around with than, say, porting stuff to ARM.
I think having an old-timer barging in says, "No one wants IRC bots!" is not necessarily conductive to the goal of creating more IRC bots.
If Ry could keep his bot connected, sure, having an Ry-designed gui on it would be fantastic, of course it would be strictly part of his bot, and not a gui.e.
He stated that it'd have been based on FluidInterface (which later became FluidAE), and thus a generic reusable GUI library.
but both versions of my Eu bot code interfacing Eu to mirc were shot dead on arrival.
Not by me.
You all shot them dead for not running on nix, and for using mirc.
Not I. I took the effort to port one to nix!
In the 2002-2003 timeframe, we had the right people, i think,
Actually, I'm not sure I'd agree.
Of course you would not agree, that's you, it's what you do, you natively disagree with me, on everything.
For the record, I disagree.
<anything to refute anything kat says>
This is a great example of why i have not made more Euphoria code in the last ten years, and instead done as little as possible.
I think the below quote is the real reason...
I deleted more proven good bot code than most people ever write, because it's all deemed useless. All a huge waste.
I don't believe that the above is true. But you seem to, and that's the real waste imvho.
Show me where Euphoria or the Eu "community" in the last 10 years has welcomed any code i ever wrote. You can't do it.
I can! eubot, in its eubotmar incarnation, is still welcomed.
Show me where you've contributed code to the community in the last three years. You can't do it.
