1. RE: [OT] Interesting?
1evan at sbcglobal.net wrote:
>
>
> http://www.earth360.com/math-naturesnumbers.html
>
>
Howdy,
THE SQUARE TRIANGLE
Now for something more serious (ha ha), here are some counter points...
Genetics promises to grow us a sixth or even seventh finger, so why
stop at 6?
A square of glass flexes more then a triangle, so perhaps it wont
shatter as easily.
Can't use a triangle for a structure that has to warp, like a
parallelogram can,
to absorb impacts.
Do we need triangular doors, windows, or man-hole covers?
The strongest 'shape' against gravity is a vertical straight line.
Weak lines make weak triangles, strong lines make strong triangles.
A straight line is stronger then anything else, and straight lines
make up ALL triangles, so why not use a binary system?
You can probably use a triangular bit to drill a round hole, but
ever try to drill a triangular hole?
The military went to a 24 hour time system because it's more
concise then a 12 hour system, where a possible confusion between
"am" or "pm" could start a war.
How much more could the possibility for disaster increase if they
went to a 6 hour system where they would need four such suffixes?
At least 400%.
The number system in use depends on the application.
A lot of manufacturers might want to pack things in 12's,
but a lot of carpenters have to center studs on 16 inch
centers, and without hex on computers what on earth
would we do?
I personally feel very comfortable using binary, when appropriate.
In fact, i really like the way the digits increase by an exact
factor of 2 for each place and that only two kinds of digits are
required to uniquely represent any whole number, 1 and 0.
I also like the way you can tell an odd number from an even number
by looking at only the last digit.
Also, i've never seen a 6 pack of soda stacked to reduce that
little bit of space. They are always in rectangular rows two by three.
That's probably because whatever space you reduce is offset
by the strange shape you end up with and the new problem of
packing that. True, it's possible, and then we could also
warp the earth a little with the top bent to one side so
we could fit more 6 packs on the surface.
Also, if 6 cans fit around one, isnt that 7 ? Maybe we should switch
to a 7 based (oops, sorry... a 7 'packed' system), ie the
"Square Triangle" 
Hey what the heck, a square glued to a triangle has got to be stronger
then a triangle, and it has seven sides too
In this way, when i tap off fingers for 1 through 5 and my wrist for
for the 6th digit, i can then use my arm pit for the 7th
On the other hand, if we do use the binary system then since
we only have one sex organ per person, so we could somehow use that when
counting off...
In the end, is there really a direct relationship between the triangle
and the universe? We can say that wave amplitudes are triangular
functions,
but is that really the same as a simple triangle?
The crystal structure of magnesium is hex, but
it has a shell structure (2.8.2). Any relation to the triangle there?
Carbon 6 is 2.4, but lithium is 2.1 and forms cubic crystals, not hex
or triangles.
Take care for now,
Al
2. RE: [OT] Interesting?
- Posted by gertie at visionsix.com
Jul 19, 2003
On 18 Jul 2003, at 20:07, Al Getz wrote:
<snipped interesting things>
> On the other hand, if we do use the binary system then since
> we only have one sex organ per person, so we could somehow use that when
> counting off...
But there is an error. See:
http://www.isna.org/
Still interesting, no?
Kat
3. RE: [OT] Interesting?
gertie at visionsix.com wrote:
>
>
> On 18 Jul 2003, at 20:07, Al Getz wrote:
>
> <snipped interesting things>
>
> > On the other hand, if we do use the binary system then since
> > we only have one sex organ per person, so we could somehow use that when
> > counting off...
>
> But there is an error. See:
>
> http://www.isna.org/
>
> Still interesting, no?
>
> Kat
>
Yes.
People with more then one would have an unfair advantage as
they would be able to count higher then anyone else.
Take care,
Al
4. RE: [OT] Interesting?
Dan Moyer wrote:
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Al Getz" <Xaxo at aol.com>
> To: "EUforum" <EUforum at topica.com>
> Subject: RE: [OT] Interesting?
>
>
> > 1evan at sbcglobal.net wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > http://www.earth360.com/math-naturesnumbers.html
> > >
> > >
> > Howdy,
> >
> >
> > THE SQUARE TRIANGLE
> >
> >
> > Now for something more serious (ha ha), here are some counter points...
> >
> <snip>>
> >
> >
> > You can probably use a triangular bit to drill a round hole, but
> > ever try to drill a triangular hole?
>
> Well, I've seen "drills" which can drill SQUARE holes, so I don't
> suppose it
> would be completely impossible to make a variant which could drill a
> triangular one! :)
>
> Dan Moyer
>
> ps. the "drill", mounted in a drill press, is actually an assemblege of
> a
> hollow NON-ROTATING square "pipe" with sharp edges at the bottom, with a
> regular drill INSIDE it, presumably sticking some distance down from the
> bottom of the hollow square pipe, such that the drill drills a round
> hole
> almost the size of the square, the pipe's sharp edges then chisels out
> the
> remaining wood as the drill is advanced through it. Might not work so
> well
> for a triangle, as there would be more wood left in the corners of a
> triangular hole than in the corners of a square one.
>
>
> <snip>
> > Take care for now,
> > Al
> >
> >
> > TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE!
> >
>
Hi Dan,
You can also drill three holes where the corners are to go,
then saw between holes, creating a triangular opening,
which is almost the same as drilling a triangular hole.
You could also drill rows of holes along the triangles sides.
It's not that you cant do it, it's just that it's MUCH harder
to accomplish
One the more serious side, i've noted that bottles and
cans with square cross sections fit much nicer in a storage
space, such as a refridgerator. I dont know how much
harder it would be for manufacturers to use square cross section
containers though, because they dont roll when sitting on their
sides like circular cross section cans do. They pack really nice
though.
'Gravity' would hold them together really nice too, with no
wasted space in between at all. This would mean the loss per
cubic foot of shipping space would decrease, so you could fit
more of the same product on any given truck.
The density would increase, so this would make small packages
seem heavier.
Would the cost to ship a given amount of product decrease?
At first it wouldnt, because they go by weight, but after
a while when they find out they can ship more product with the
same truckload, there is a good chance that the cost per unit weight
might go down. It would probably depend on the ratio of fuel used
to other cost factors in determining new shipping costs, if in fact
they do change at all.
In any case, i really like the way square packages fit into
storage spaces, and find circular ones much harder to deal with.
I would imagine triangular packages would be somewhat of a
puzzle to fit together, unless they happen to be all the same size.
Take care for now,
Al
5. RE: [OT] Interesting?
- Posted by rforno at tutopia.com
Jul 20, 2003
Please check Scientific American February 1963 for an article on this
subject.
Regards.
----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Moyer <DANIELMOYER at prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: [OT] Interesting?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Al Getz" <Xaxo at aol.com>
> To: "EUforum" <EUforum at topica.com>
> Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 1:07 PM
> Subject: RE: [OT] Interesting?
>
>
> > 1evan at sbcglobal.net wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > http://www.earth360.com/math-naturesnumbers.html
> > >
> > >
> > Howdy,
> >
> >
> > THE SQUARE TRIANGLE
> >
> >
> > Now for something more serious (ha ha), here are some counter points...
> >
> <snip>>
> >
> >
> > You can probably use a triangular bit to drill a round hole, but
> > ever try to drill a triangular hole?
>
> Well, I've seen "drills" which can drill SQUARE holes, so I don't suppose
it
> would be completely impossible to make a variant which could drill a
> triangular one! :)
>
> Dan Moyer
>
> ps. the "drill", mounted in a drill press, is actually an assemblege of a
> hollow NON-ROTATING square "pipe" with sharp edges at the bottom, with a
> regular drill INSIDE it, presumably sticking some distance down from the
> bottom of the hollow square pipe, such that the drill drills a round hole
> almost the size of the square, the pipe's sharp edges then chisels out the
> remaining wood as the drill is advanced through it. Might not work so
well
> for a triangle, as there would be more wood left in the corners of a
> triangular hole than in the corners of a square one.
>
>
> <snip>
> > Take care for now,
> > Al
> >
> >
> > TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE!
> >
>
>
>
> TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE!
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6. RE: [OT] Interesting?
rforno at tutopia.com wrote:
>
>
> Please check Scientific American February 1963 for an article on this
> subject.
> Regards.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dan Moyer <DANIELMOYER at prodigy.net>
> Subject: Re: [OT] Interesting?
>
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Al Getz" <Xaxo at aol.com>
> > To: "EUforum" <EUforum at topica.com>
> > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 1:07 PM
> > Subject: RE: [OT] Interesting?
> >
> >
> > > 1evan at sbcglobal.net wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > http://www.earth360.com/math-naturesnumbers.html
> > > >
> > > >
> > > Howdy,
> > >
> > >
> > > THE SQUARE TRIANGLE
> > >
> > >
> > > Now for something more serious (ha ha), here are some counter points...
> > >
> > <snip>>
> > >
> > >
> > > You can probably use a triangular bit to drill a round hole, but
> > > ever try to drill a triangular hole?
> >
> > Well, I've seen "drills" which can drill SQUARE holes, so I don't
> > suppose
> it
> > would be completely impossible to make a variant which could drill a
> > triangular one! :)
> >
> > Dan Moyer
> >
> > ps. the "drill", mounted in a drill press, is actually an assemblege of
> > a
> > hollow NON-ROTATING square "pipe" with sharp edges at the bottom, with a
> > regular drill INSIDE it, presumably sticking some distance down from the
> > bottom of the hollow square pipe, such that the drill drills a round
> > hole
> > almost the size of the square, the pipe's sharp edges then chisels out
> > the
> > remaining wood as the drill is advanced through it. Might not work so
> well
> > for a triangle, as there would be more wood left in the corners of a
> > triangular hole than in the corners of a square one.
> >
> >
> > <snip>
> > > Take care for now,
> > > Al
> > >
> > >
> > > TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE!
> > >
> >
> > TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE!
> >
> >
Hello,
Ok, if i can find it.
Take care,
Al
7. RE: [OT] Interesting?
Al Getz wrote:
>
>
> rforno at tutopia.com wrote:
> >
> >
> > Please check Scientific American February 1963 for an article on this
> > subject.
> > Regards.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Dan Moyer <DANIELMOYER at prodigy.net>
> > To: EUforum <EUforum at topica.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 3:25 AM
> > Subject: Re: [OT] Interesting?
> >
> >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Al Getz" <Xaxo at aol.com>
> > > To: "EUforum" <EUforum at topica.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 1:07 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [OT] Interesting?
> > >
> > >
> > > > 1evan at sbcglobal.net wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.earth360.com/math-naturesnumbers.html
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > Howdy,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > THE SQUARE TRIANGLE
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Now for something more serious (ha ha), here are some counter points...
> > > >
> > > <snip>>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You can probably use a triangular bit to drill a round hole, but
> > > > ever try to drill a triangular hole?
> > >
> > > Well, I've seen "drills" which can drill SQUARE holes, so I don't
> > > suppose
> > it
> > > would be completely impossible to make a variant which could drill a
> > > triangular one! :)
> > >
> > > Dan Moyer
> > >
> > > ps. the "drill", mounted in a drill press, is actually an assemblege of
> > >
> > > a
> > > hollow NON-ROTATING square "pipe" with sharp edges at the bottom, with a
> > > regular drill INSIDE it, presumably sticking some distance down from the
> > > bottom of the hollow square pipe, such that the drill drills a round
> > > hole
> > > almost the size of the square, the pipe's sharp edges then chisels out
> > > the
> > > remaining wood as the drill is advanced through it. Might not work so
> > well
> > > for a triangle, as there would be more wood left in the corners of a
> > > triangular hole than in the corners of a square one.
> > >
> > >
> > > <snip>
> > > > Take care for now,
> > > > Al
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE!
> > > >
> > >
> > > TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE!
> > >
> > >
> Hello,
>
> Ok, if i can find it.
>
> Take care,
> Al
>
Hello again,
I couldnt find it, but i did find this:
http://www.stetson.edu/~efriedma/packing.html
If you have a url for the other let me know...
Take care,
Al
8. RE: [OT] Interesting?
- Posted by rforno at tutopia.com
Jul 20, 2003
I found it in a public library here in Buenos Aires some years ago and took
note, so it should be availabe in USA, England, Australia, Canada... (don't
know where you live, Al).
Regards.
----- Original Message -----
From: Al Getz <Xaxo at aol.com>
Subject: RE: [OT] Interesting?
>
>
> rforno at tutopia.com wrote:
> >
> >
> > Please check Scientific American February 1963 for an article on this
> > subject.
> > Regards.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Dan Moyer <DANIELMOYER at prodigy.net>
> > To: EUforum <EUforum at topica.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 3:25 AM
> > Subject: Re: [OT] Interesting?
> >
> >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Al Getz" <Xaxo at aol.com>
> > > To: "EUforum" <EUforum at topica.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 1:07 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [OT] Interesting?
> > >
> > >
> > > > 1evan at sbcglobal.net wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.earth360.com/math-naturesnumbers.html
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > Howdy,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > THE SQUARE TRIANGLE
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Now for something more serious (ha ha), here are some counter
points...
> > > >
> > > <snip>>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You can probably use a triangular bit to drill a round hole, but
> > > > ever try to drill a triangular hole?
> > >
> > > Well, I've seen "drills" which can drill SQUARE holes, so I don't
> > > suppose
> > it
> > > would be completely impossible to make a variant which could drill a
> > > triangular one! :)
> > >
> > > Dan Moyer
> > >
> > > ps. the "drill", mounted in a drill press, is actually an assemblege
of
> > > a
> > > hollow NON-ROTATING square "pipe" with sharp edges at the bottom, with
a
> > > regular drill INSIDE it, presumably sticking some distance down from
the
> > > bottom of the hollow square pipe, such that the drill drills a round
> > > hole
> > > almost the size of the square, the pipe's sharp edges then chisels out
> > > the
> > > remaining wood as the drill is advanced through it. Might not work so
> > well
> > > for a triangle, as there would be more wood left in the corners of a
> > > triangular hole than in the corners of a square one.
> > >
> > >
> > > <snip>
> > > > Take care for now,
> > > > Al
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE!
> > > >
> > >
> > > TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE!
> > >
> > >
> Hello,
>
> Ok, if i can find it.
>
> Take care,
> Al
>
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9. RE: [OT] Interesting?
- Posted by rforno at tutopia.com
Jul 20, 2003
No, the SA article refers to drilling square holes with a strange
off-centered triangular drill.
Regards.
----- Original Message -----
From: Al Getz <Xaxo at aol.com>
Subject: RE: [OT] Interesting?
Al Getz wrote:
>
>
> rforno at tutopia.com wrote:
> >
> >
> > Please check Scientific American February 1963 for an article on this
> > subject.
> > Regards.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Dan Moyer <DANIELMOYER at prodigy.net>
> > To: EUforum <EUforum at topica.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 3:25 AM
> > Subject: Re: [OT] Interesting?
> >
> >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Al Getz" <Xaxo at aol.com>
> > > To: "EUforum" <EUforum at topica.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 1:07 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [OT] Interesting?
> > >
> > >
> > > > 1evan at sbcglobal.net wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.earth360.com/math-naturesnumbers.html
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > Howdy,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > THE SQUARE TRIANGLE
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Now for something more serious (ha ha), here are some counter
points...
> > > >
> > > <snip>>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You can probably use a triangular bit to drill a round hole, but
> > > > ever try to drill a triangular hole?
> > >
> > > Well, I've seen "drills" which can drill SQUARE holes, so I don't
> > > suppose
> > it
> > > would be completely impossible to make a variant which could drill a
> > > triangular one! :)
> > >
> > > Dan Moyer
> > >
> > > ps. the "drill", mounted in a drill press, is actually an
assemblege of
> > >
> > > a
> > > hollow NON-ROTATING square "pipe" with sharp edges at the bottom,
with a
> > > regular drill INSIDE it, presumably sticking some distance down from
the
> > > bottom of the hollow square pipe, such that the drill drills a round
> > > hole
> > > almost the size of the square, the pipe's sharp edges then chisels
out
> > > the
> > > remaining wood as the drill is advanced through it. Might not work
so
> > well
> > > for a triangle, as there would be more wood left in the corners of a
> > > triangular hole than in the corners of a square one.
> > >
> > >
> > > <snip>
> > > > Take care for now,
> > > > Al
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE!
> > > >
> > >
> > > TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE!
> > >
> > >
> Hello,
>
> Ok, if i can find it.
>
> Take care,
> Al
>
Hello again,
I couldnt find it, but i did find this:
http://www.stetson.edu/~efriedma/packing.html
If you have a url for the other let me know...
Take care,
Al
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10. RE: [OT] Interesting?
rforno at tutopia.com wrote:
>
>
> No, the SA article refers to drilling square holes with a strange
> off-centered triangular drill.
> Regards.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Al Getz <Xaxo at aol.com>
> Subject: RE: [OT] Interesting?
>
OH ok, sounds pretty cool. I'll see if the local library
can get a copy...
I thought the 'packing' web site was quite interesting too though.
Take care for now,
Al
