1. Outlook Express is bad?
I don't know about Eudora but Pegasus is missing one critical feature
that Outlook Express has.
XX = any 1 or 2 digiti number.
Leave a copy of messages on server -- They likely have this
Remove from server after XX day(s)
You tell me of an email client that has all the below features and I will
switch to it.
Would be even better if it runs on both Windows and Linux.
---------------FEATURES--------------
Folders and Subfolders
Each level collapsable and auto expand if an unread message filters
into there.
Rule Filtering
Leave copy on server
for XX number of days
Sortable columns - To - From - Subject - Receive date.
Customizable Display filter - Only show unread. or unread and flagged or ..
Search filter through subfolders
show messages with attachments and
from Bubba Smith and
to my 3rd email address and
after this date and
before this date and
with the blah in the subject.... you get the idea.
Check email every XX minutes.
Selectable account checking.
I setup account A, B and C but don't check account B during
check default check all email
Some method of displaying and saving to file the raw messages as they
were RETR - retrieved from the server. Headers and all.
A method of importing such raw files into the email client as any other
message.
Preview Pane can actually be turned off.
Text only viewing mode is selectable
Would like to have a HTML indicator.
But even OE doesn't have an indicator.
Selectable Read Receipt response.
Always return
Ask me first
Never return
Selectables
[ ] Save a copy of sent messages
[ ] Send immediately
[ ] Reply to messages in format that was sent
Include message in reply - Either always or selectable
Either no address book or settable to manual only.
I don't do address books
View plain text messages in font of my choosing OR a fixed width font
Selectable Default mail sending format
and can alter format while composing the message
Signature file capable
I have html set as my default and typcially
change it to plain just before composing.
Lucius L. Hilley III
----- Original Message -----
From: <eugtk at yahoo.com>
To: "EUforum" <EUforum at topica.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 09:43 AM
Subject: RE: [OT] postmaster at netbet.com: Delivery Status Notification
(Failure)
--- Al Getz <Xaxo at aol.com> wrote:
> Hello there,
>
> With all this talk about Emails, Topica
> unsubscribing, and
> SoBig, Im starting to understand how i sometimes get
> emails
> from myself 
I wonder how they forge the return
> address?
>
> I havent gotten an email supposedly from myself in a
> long time,
> but recently had gotten a few. Could it have
> something to do
> with Topica trying to iron out some bugs or
> something like that?
Not likely.
> The emails are usually some kind of sales pitch, but
> nothing
> harmful so far ( event_KnockOn(h_Wood) ).
You don't actually open those e-mails, do you?!?
Anyway, there are basically 3 types of e-mail going
round:
1. "Bugs" which often contain only an html link to an
image stored somewhere. The link usually contains
your address or an identifying code so that the
spammers
can confirm that they used an active address, and that
there's someone there who reads the mail.
2. Ads for useless stuff. These often serve the same
purpose as #1.
3. Worms/Viriii - such as sobig.
In cases 1 and 2, they use addresses harvested off the
internet, and often forge the sender's name from that
same list. Some are so careless they use the same name
for both sender and receiver.
In case 3, your name just happens to be on whoever's
computer has the sobig worm. So when an e-mail
bounces, either because it was sent to an invalid
address, or - as we're seeing in the last few days -
because it was sent to a valid address where the
mailbox was overflowing, then it gets bounced back
to the forged sender (you).
The only way this is ever going to stop is if Outlook
Express is banned. There are lots of good
alternatives,
such as Pegassus and Eudora.
Irv
TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE!
2. Re: Outlook Express is bad?
One thing for sure is that Outlook Express is a great
host for viruses ( or is that virii? ). If this is
because of some inherent vulnerability in the Outlook
Express Code I'd say it is "bad" regardless of how
many ritzy features it has.
Regards,
Ken Rhodes
--- Lucius Hilley <l3euphoria at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>
> I don't know about Eudora but Pegasus is missing one
> critical feature
> that Outlook Express has.
>
> XX = any 1 or 2 digiti number.
> Leave a copy of messages on server -- They likely
> have this
> Remove from server after XX day(s)
>
> You tell me of an email client that has all the
> below features and I will
> switch to it.
> Would be even better if it runs on both Windows and
> Linux.
>
> ---------------FEATURES--------------
> Folders and Subfolders
> Each level collapsable and auto expand if an
> unread message filters
> into there.
> Rule Filtering
> Leave copy on server
> for XX number of days
> Sortable columns - To - From - Subject - Receive
> date.
> Customizable Display filter - Only show unread. or
> unread and flagged or ..
> Search filter through subfolders
> show messages with attachments and
> from Bubba Smith and
> to my 3rd email address and
> after this date and
> before this date and
> with the blah in the subject.... you get the
> idea.
> Check email every XX minutes.
> Selectable account checking.
> I setup account A, B and C but don't check
> account B during
> check default check all email
> Some method of displaying and saving to file the raw
> messages as they
> were RETR - retrieved from the server. Headers and
> all.
> A method of importing such raw files into the email
> client as any other
> message.
> Preview Pane can actually be turned off.
> Text only viewing mode is selectable
> Would like to have a HTML indicator.
> But even OE doesn't have an indicator.
> Selectable Read Receipt response.
> Always return
> Ask me first
> Never return
> Selectables
> [ ] Save a copy of sent messages
> [ ] Send immediately
> [ ] Reply to messages in format that was sent
> Include message in reply - Either always or
> selectable
> Either no address book or settable to manual only.
> I don't do address books
> View plain text messages in font of my choosing OR a
> fixed width font
> Selectable Default mail sending format
> and can alter format while composing the message
> Signature file capable
>
> I have html set as my default and typcially
> change it to plain just before composing.
>
> Lucius L. Hilley III
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <eugtk at yahoo.com>
> To: "EUforum" <EUforum at topica.com>
> Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 09:43 AM
> Subject: RE: [OT] postmaster at netbet.com: Delivery
> Status Notification
> (Failure)
>
>
> > --- Al Getz <Xaxo at aol.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hello there,
> > >
> > > With all this talk about Emails, Topica
> > > unsubscribing, and
> > > SoBig, Im starting to understand how i sometimes
> get
> > > emails
> > > from myself I wonder how they forge the
> return
> > > address?
> > >
<snip>
>
>
>
>
3. Re: Outlook Express is bad?
Mulberry has the Remove from server after XX day(s) option. I'm not
going to check all those other things for you. But I will say many find
its breadth of options overwhelming--it probably does just about everything
on your list.
It runs (with a consistent interface) on Windows / Linux / Mac.
<http://www.cyrusoft.com>
Ted
--On Sunday, August 24, 2003 10:31 AM -0400 Lucius Hilley
<l3euphoria at bellsouth.net> wrote:
I don't know about Eudora but Pegasus is missing one critical feature
that Outlook Express has.
XX = any 1 or 2 digiti number.
Leave a copy of messages on server -- They likely have this
Remove from server after XX day(s)
You tell me of an email client that has all the below features and I will
switch to it.
Would be even better if it runs on both Windows and Linux.
---------------FEATURES--------------
Folders and Subfolders
Each level collapsable and auto expand if an unread message filters
into there.
Rule Filtering
Leave copy on server
for XX number of days
Sortable columns - To - From - Subject - Receive date.
Customizable Display filter - Only show unread. or unread and flagged or
.. Search filter through subfolders
show messages with attachments and
from Bubba Smith and
to my 3rd email address and
after this date and
before this date and
with the blah in the subject.... you get the idea.
Check email every XX minutes.
Selectable account checking.
I setup account A, B and C but don't check account B during
check default check all email
Some method of displaying and saving to file the raw messages as they
were RETR - retrieved from the server. Headers and all.
A method of importing such raw files into the email client as any other
message.
Preview Pane can actually be turned off.
Text only viewing mode is selectable
Would like to have a HTML indicator.
But even OE doesn't have an indicator.
Selectable Read Receipt response.
Always return
Ask me first
Never return
Selectables
[ ] Save a copy of sent messages
[ ] Send immediately
[ ] Reply to messages in format that was sent
Include message in reply - Either always or selectable
Either no address book or settable to manual only.
I don't do address books
View plain text messages in font of my choosing OR a fixed width font
Selectable Default mail sending format
and can alter format while composing the message
Signature file capable
I have html set as my default and typcially
change it to plain just before composing.
Lucius L. Hilley III
----- Original Message -----
From: <eugtk at yahoo.com>
To: "EUforum" <EUforum at topica.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 09:43 AM
Subject: RE: [OT] postmaster at netbet.com: Delivery Status Notification
(Failure)
>
>
> --- Al Getz <Xaxo at aol.com> wrote:
>
> > Hello there,
> >
> > With all this talk about Emails, Topica
> > unsubscribing, and
> > SoBig, Im starting to understand how i sometimes get
> > emails
> > from myself I wonder how they forge the return
> > address?
> >
> > I havent gotten an email supposedly from myself in a
> > long time,
> > but recently had gotten a few. Could it have
> > something to do
> > with Topica trying to iron out some bugs or
> > something like that?
>
> Not likely.
>
> > The emails are usually some kind of sales pitch, but
> > nothing
> > harmful so far ( event_KnockOn(h_Wood) ).
>
> You don't actually open those e-mails, do you?!?
> Anyway, there are basically 3 types of e-mail going
> round:
> 1. "Bugs" which often contain only an html link to an
> image stored somewhere. The link usually contains
> your address or an identifying code so that the
> spammers
> can confirm that they used an active address, and that
>
> there's someone there who reads the mail.
> 2. Ads for useless stuff. These often serve the same
> purpose as #1.
> 3. Worms/Viriii - such as sobig.
>
> In cases 1 and 2, they use addresses harvested off the
>
> internet, and often forge the sender's name from that
> same list. Some are so careless they use the same name
>
> for both sender and receiver.
>
> In case 3, your name just happens to be on whoever's
> computer has the sobig worm. So when an e-mail
> bounces, either because it was sent to an invalid
> address, or - as we're seeing in the last few days -
> because it was sent to a valid address where the
> mailbox was overflowing, then it gets bounced back
> to the forged sender (you).
>
> The only way this is ever going to stop is if Outlook
> Express is banned. There are lots of good
> alternatives,
> such as Pegassus and Eudora.
>
> Irv
>
>
> TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE!
>
>
TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE!
4. Re: Outlook Express is bad?
- Posted by Urzumph at HotPOP.com
Aug 28, 2003
I don't know about Eudora but Pegasus is missing one critical feature
that Outlook Express has.
You tell me of an email client that has all the below features and I will
switch to it.
Would be even better if it runs on both Windows and Linux.
/me does Mozilla Mail
---------------FEATURES--------------
Folders and Subfolders
Each level collapsable and auto expand if an unread message filters
into there.
Collapsable > Yes
Auto Expand > No
Rule Filtering
Yes
Leave copy on server
for XX number of days
Nope, Leave until sent to trash, or download
Sortable columns - To - From - Subject - Receive date.
Yep
Customizable Display filter - Only show unread. or unread and flagged or ..
Yep, defaults & custom filter maker
Search filter through subfolders
show messages with attachments and
from Bubba Smith and
to my 3rd email address and
after this date and
before this date and
with the blah in the subject.... you get the idea.
Yes and no.
It can filter the folder, but you have to filter each subfolder individually.
You can also search local folders, but that is not a filter.
Check email every XX minutes.
Yep, this is pretty standard
Selectable account checking.
I setup account A, B and C but don't check account B during
check default check all email
Yep > Seperate Check for new mail option for each account
Some method of displaying and saving to file the raw messages as they
were RETR - retrieved from the server. Headers and all.
Yep, .eml format
A method of importing such raw files into the email client as any other
message.
Nope
Preview Pane can actually be turned off.
Yep (The Bar between the Inbox and the Preview pane)
Text only viewing mode is selectable
Nope :( I want this tho, I wonder if it is available in an add-in
Would like to have a HTML indicator.
But even OE doesn't have an indicator.
Selectable Read Receipt response.
Always return
Ask me first
Never return
It has all those, and it has the ability to decide based on weather you are sent
via BCC, and wether the sender
is outside the domain.
Selectables
[ ] Save a copy of sent messages
[ ] Send immediately
[ ] Reply to messages in format that was sent
Save a copy is selectable, but it always sends when you click the send button.
If you don't want to send it yet, you can save it as a draft and send it later.
Reply in format that was sent -> always replies/sends in plain format were no
formatting
loss is incured, and it will send / prompt / decide based on rules about sending
in HTML
Include message in reply - Either always or selectable
Selectable
Either no address book or settable to manual only.
I don't do address books
Manual (me either), with option to add all outgoing recipiants to addressbook
View plain text messages in font of my choosing OR a fixed width font
Both, with your choice of size, colour, wrap and emoticon substitution as well.
Selectable Default mail sending format
and can alter format while composing the message
Yep - covered above
Signature file capable
Yes
I have html set as my default and typcially
change it to plain just before composing.
It picks the format as neccisary, but you can force HTML if you want.
Lucius L. Hilley III
Advantages over OE :
Skinable
Can get plugins / addons / mods (www.mozdev.org)
Klez Proof (tested it myself)
Also runs on Mac
Can Import Mail, Settings & Address Books from
Communicator 4.x
Eudora
Outlook & Outlook Express
Intelligent Junk Mail Filter that learns
And If you don't like that, I have heard good things about Pine (although, never
used it myself)
