1. RE: win32 and win98
George,
When you mentioned that MS software is also getting hosed up, that made
me think, and maybe you've been asked this question before in relation
to this problem:
- What version of IE do you have installed on your Win98 machine? I
remember having similar issues (although it's been a while) on Win98 and
upgraded my IE and they went away. I'm also using Win32lib 59.1 on a
Win98 machine and have not run into any problems. I'm using IE version
5.50.
- If you're on a recent version of IE and you still have the problems
then it could be that some other piece of software installed an older
version of one of the system .dlls. If all else fails...reinstall Win98
and then try your EU programs before you put anything else on.
HTH,
Jonas
George Walters wrote:
>
>
> The programs are mostly launched from Medit (the one written in EU). I'm
> not
> using the IDE of Judith's. The programs are somewhat large, about 20
> pages
> w/o includes. I can't reproduce it repeatedly. I'm working all day and I
> notice it about 3 to 4 times and then only when I check email or do
> something different do I notice the corruption. Express flat tool bar
> can
> get dorked as well as MS start > programs. etc. MS explorer has also had
> it's tool bar messed up. I will also say that I worked 3 days solid on
> an XP
> laptop w/o a single incident using the identical programs and
> development
> tools..... the apps are crashing and quite frequently as I write and
> debug.
> If you want one of these programs I'll try to package it up and send it
> with
> data and includes....let me know..
>
> thanks
> george
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Derek Parnell" <ddparnell at bigpond.com>
> To: "EUforum" <EUforum at topica.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 7:07 PM
> Subject: Re: win32 and win98
>
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "George Walters" <gwalters at sc.rr.com>
> > To: "EUforum" <EUforum at topica.com>
> > Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 1:32 AM
> > Subject: win32 and win98
> >
> >
> > > I continue to have my desktop and other windows displays (i.e. express,
> > > explorer) being corrupted while developing programs using win32 59.1 and
> EU
> > > 2.3. It's a known problem and Derek hasn't been able to fix it because
> he
> > > doesen't know what's causing it and can't reproduce it. I have to reboot
> to
> > > fix it about 3 times a day. The problem doesen't corrupt any thing
> > > seriously. A reboot has always returned things to normal.
> > >
> > > Anybody else seen this that could give Derek, etal. a hint on where to
> look?
> > >
> >
> > Does this happen with apps NOT written with the IDE? Does it happen only
> when you launch apps from the IDE? Does it happen when apps crash but
> not
> when they complete normally?
> >
> > I ask these questions because this is my experience so far.
> >
> > Win32lib apps that I run that finish normally and are not launched from
> the IDE seem to be fine. I'd love an example code that shows otherwise.
> Its
> too hard to debug without being able to easily reproduce the problem.
> >
> > My gut feel is that when a program crashes, sometimes some system-used
> fonts are not restored. Also, I'm not sure that the direct API work in
> the
> IDE is not causing a resource issue.
> >
> > --
> > Derek
> >
> > --^----------------------------------------------------------------
> > This email was sent to: gwalters at sc.rr.com
> >
> >
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> >
> >
2. RE: win32 and win98
Derek Parnell wrote:
> Does this happen with apps NOT written with the IDE? Does it happen only
> when you launch apps from the IDE? Does it happen when apps crash but
> not when they complete normally?
In my case it happens even with just running demo programs and
they don't crash. When the screen fonts get mangled, all apps
including the Eu ones are still running. It's just bud ugly.
> I ask these questions because this is my experience so far.
>
> Win32lib apps that I run that finish normally and are not launched from
> the IDE seem to be fine. I'd love an example code that shows otherwise.
> Its too hard to debug without being able to easily reproduce the
> problem.
I don't think it has to do with specific code, but rather it is
an effect from handling things in a certain way. I have seen this
problem in the past with non-euphoria apps as well. It's just
that with Eu/win32lib programs it is very frequent.
> My gut feel is that when a program crashes, sometimes some system-used
> fonts are not restored. Also, I'm not sure that the direct API work in
> the IDE is not causing a resource issue.
In my case there's no crashes or the IDE involved 
Hans Peter Willems
3. RE: win32 and win98
George Walters wrote:
> I continue to have my desktop and other windows displays (i.e. express,
> explorer) being corrupted while developing programs using win32 59.1 and
> EU
> 2.3. It's a known problem and Derek hasn't been able to fix it because
> he
> doesen't know what's causing it and can't reproduce it. I have to reboot
> to
> fix it about 3 times a day. The problem doesen't corrupt any thing
> seriously. A reboot has always returned things to normal.
>
> Anybody else seen this that could give Derek, etal. a hint on where to
> look?
I have seen this problem (or simmilar) and not only while coding.
It also happens when I'm trying out several Eu demos in a row.
So it seems to be related to starting and stopping a lot of times,
either while testing the app you are coding or while running
lots of demos in a row.
What happens mainly on my system is that most of the texts on my
screen (pulldown menus and buttons in most of the running programs
including the Eu apps) are getting some big bold font instead of
the correct font. Rebooting fixes it.
As I'm now running Litestep as my shell on windows, I have the
option to reload only the shell. I'll try that next time it happens
and report about it.
Hans Peter Willems
4. RE: win32 and win98
I had these problems quite a bit under WinME. I never use any IDE and
run all the programs directly. Although the problems most frequently
occur during development -- running the program over & over, possibly
crashing, etc, it still happens sometimes when I was just using the
fully-debugged version and no crash occurs. They will occur even when
using a translated version of the program (.exe). If I'm not mistaken,
I've seen the problems start to occur (big fonts, etc.) while the
program is STILL running. My biggest offender was a program that just
ran perpetually and updated a grid of info (with EuGrid) from the
internet every few seconds. Often it would only affect an open folder,
and you could just close it and open it again. Other times it made the
entire start menu into a total mess. I've never had any problem like
that except when working with win32lib. The .59x versions seemed
better-behaved that the .57x, though....
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jonas Temple" <jtemple at yhti.net>
> To: "EUforum" <EUforum at topica.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 11:34 PM
> Subject: RE: win32 and win98
>
>
> > George,
> >
> > When you mentioned that MS software is also getting hosed up, that made
> > me think, and maybe you've been asked this question before in relation
> > to this problem:
> >
> > - What version of IE do you have installed on your Win98 machine? I
> > remember having similar issues (although it's been a while) on Win98 and
> > upgraded my IE and they went away. I'm also using Win32lib 59.1 on a
> > Win98 machine and have not run into any problems. I'm using IE version
> > 5.50.
> > - If you're on a recent version of IE and you still have the problems
> > then it could be that some other piece of software installed an older
> > version of one of the system .dlls. If all else fails...reinstall Win98
> > and then try your EU programs before you put anything else on.
> >
> > HTH,
> >
> > Jonas
> > George Walters wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > The programs are mostly launched from Medit (the one written in EU). I'm
> > > not
> > > using the IDE of Judith's. The programs are somewhat large, about 20
> > > pages
> > > w/o includes. I can't reproduce it repeatedly. I'm working all day and I
> > > notice it about 3 to 4 times and then only when I check email or do
> > > something different do I notice the corruption. Express flat tool bar
> > > can
> > > get dorked as well as MS start > programs. etc. MS explorer has also had
> > > it's tool bar messed up. I will also say that I worked 3 days solid on
> > > an XP
> > > laptop w/o a single incident using the identical programs and
> > > development
> > > tools..... the apps are crashing and quite frequently as I write and
> > > debug.
> > > If you want one of these programs I'll try to package it up and send it
> > > with
> > > data and includes....let me know..
> > >
> > > thanks
> > > george
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Derek Parnell" <ddparnell at bigpond.com>
> > > To: "EUforum" <EUforum at topica.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 7:07 PM
> > > Subject: Re: win32 and win98
> > >
> > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "George Walters" <gwalters at sc.rr.com>
> > > > To: "EUforum" <EUforum at topica.com>
> > > > Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 1:32 AM
> > > > Subject: win32 and win98
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I continue to have my desktop and other windows displays (i.e.
> express,
> > > > > explorer) being corrupted while developing programs using win32 59.1
> and
> > > EU
> > > > > 2.3. It's a known problem and Derek hasn't been able to fix it
> because
> > > he
> > > > > doesen't know what's causing it and can't reproduce it. I have to
> reboot
> > > to
> > > > > fix it about 3 times a day. The problem doesen't corrupt any thing
> > > > > seriously. A reboot has always returned things to normal.
> > > > >
> > > > > Anybody else seen this that could give Derek, etal. a hint on where
> to
> > > look?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Does this happen with apps NOT written with the IDE? Does it happen
> only
> > > when you launch apps from the IDE? Does it happen when apps crash but
> > > not
> > > when they complete normally?
> > > >
> > > > I ask these questions because this is my experience so far.
> > > >
> > > > Win32lib apps that I run that finish normally and are not launched
> from
> > > the IDE seem to be fine. I'd love an example code that shows otherwise.
> > > Its
> > > too hard to debug without being able to easily reproduce the problem.
> > > >
> > > > My gut feel is that when a program crashes, sometimes some system-used
<snip>
5. RE: win32 and win98
> From: Derek Parnell [mailto:ddparnell at bigpond.com]
> Does this happen with apps NOT written with the IDE? Does it
> happen only when you launch apps from the IDE? Does it happen
> when apps crash but not when they complete normally?
>
> I ask these questions because this is my experience so far.
I had a strange experience on Win2K Pro. I had the IDE running, and was
working with another program, not written/launched by the IDE, plus my
wxWindows based editor. At one point, the screen got garbled, and I had to
reboot. It also messed up the icons in my MS Office shortcut bar. Nothing
had crashed when this happened. It's not very helpful, I know, but there it
is. :)
Matt Lewis
6. RE: win32 and win98
Travis Beaty wrote:
>
>
> Hello.
>
> I've never run win32lib apps on Windows 98, because I jumped over it. I
> know that a few years back, when I was running them on 95, I had no
> problems
> until right before I bought my present computer, when win32lib began
> peeling
> itself away from being compatible with 95. When I bought my computer,
> it
> had Windows ME. Running win32lib applications under Windows ME was
> quite an
> adventure. As Andy said, my fonts would go to some bold version of the
> System font when using .57. With .59 versions, the font was stable,
> but,
> again, as Andy said, the small icons in the start menu *and* the system
> tray
> went bezerk. Note that the large icons in the main panel of the start
> menu
> were not affected ... just the small ones. The interesting thing was
> that
> as you moved your mouse over the affected icons, they changed at random;
> in
> fact, I ran a virus scanner a couple of times, because it did look much
> like
> a virus' behavior.
>
> In defense of win32lib, these problems happened in Windows ME on a
> regular
> basis anyway, but win32lib applications seemed to hasten it quite a bit.
> And, I've confirmed from a number of people that this problem with ME's
> icons happened even on machines which had never run a win32lib
> application.
>
> Another problem, which might be relevant here, is Windows ME's memory
> issues. Win32lib applications in Windows ME, I've noticed, tend to eat
> a
> lot of memory resources, and many times complain about a control's
> handle
> having changed (can't remember the exact message now). This behavior,
> as
> far as I've been able to tell, happens only in Windows ME, which tells
> me
> that it is probably Windows ME's screw up, not Win32lib's.
>
> I have, so far, had *no* problems running win32lib applications in XP.
> I
> imagine that is because Micro$oft transferred the programmers that wrote
> the
> code for ME to something more suited to their abilities, like putting
> M&Ms
> in alphabetical order.
>
>
> Travis Beaty
> Osage, Iowa.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andy Serpa" <ac at onehorseshy.com>
> To: "EUforum" <EUforum at topica.com>
> Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 5:07 AM
> Subject: RE: win32 and win98
>
>
> > I had these problems quite a bit under WinME. I never use any IDE and
> > run all the programs directly. Although the problems most frequently
> > occur during development -- running the program over & over, possibly
> > crashing, etc, it still happens sometimes when I was just using the
> > fully-debugged version and no crash occurs. They will occur even when
> > using a translated version of the program (.exe). If I'm not mistaken,
> > I've seen the problems start to occur (big fonts, etc.) while the
> > program is STILL running. My biggest offender was a program that just
> > ran perpetually and updated a grid of info (with EuGrid) from the
> > internet every few seconds. Often it would only affect an open folder,
> > and you could just close it and open it again. Other times it made the
> > entire start menu into a total mess. I've never had any problem like
> > that except when working with win32lib. The .59x versions seemed
> > better-behaved that the .57x, though....
>
>
Hee hee Travis 
Last i heard, they all melted before they could finish putting
them in alphabetical order so they were given an even
simpler task
If you have any problems with missing objects it's probably
because of the lower W versions' inability to maintain shared
objects resources with some function calls.
If this is the case, you will see the condition appear only
when certain functions are called (that use shared objects)
and the condition will disappear after reboot. Usually it
occurs after a control is destroyed because it takes out
the resources (in some cases that other controls use) with it.
The best way to get around this is to track down the functions
that use shared resources and find out if they are using the
correct flags. This will probably clear up most of the problems.
Take care for now,
Al
7. RE: win32 and win98
Good grief... the NT/2K/XP line has always been superior to the 9x/ME
line for many reasons (and also a good reason for discontinuing the
latter). However, this is not the proper forum to discuss such things.
Anyway... how many different distributions of linux are there now? How
many compatibility problems exist with different core components of
different distributions of linux (can you even mix and match)? How many
desktop environments exist for different distributions of linux? How
many different shells? What is the best combination and overall
hardware compatiblity of an OS with so many flavors and possible
combinations? If I buy new hardware, do I need to compile my own driver
or do I just go to linuxupdate.com?
Oh wait, this isn't the place for that kind of discussion either.
Please, let it rest... I really don't care.
-- Brian
eugtk at yahoo.com wrote:
>
>
> --- Travis Beaty <tbeaty at osage.net> wrote:
> <snip>
> > I have, so far, had *no* problems running win32lib
> > applications in XP. I
> > imagine that is because Micro$oft transferred the
> > programmers that wrote the
> > code for ME to something more suited to their
> > abilities, like putting M&Ms
> > in alphabetical order.
>
> Actually, XP was produced by another, more qualified
> group:
> see http://www.newtechusa.com/PPI/main.asp
>
> Irv
8. RE: win32 and win98
Derek Parnell wrote:
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Al Getz" <Xaxo at aol.com>
> To: "EUforum" <EUforum at topica.com>
> Subject: RE: win32 and win98
>
>
> [snip]
> >
> > The best way to get around this is to track down the functions
> > that use shared resources and find out if they are using the
> > correct flags. This will probably clear up most of the problems.
> >
>
> Sounds fine to me. Two questions though...
>
> ** What, specifically, are the shared resources (or how can I recoginize
> a shared resource from a non-shared one)?
>
> ** Which flags are you referring to? There are SO MANY flags about, I'm
> not sure which ones are relevant to this specific issue.
>
> --
> Derek
>
Hello again Derek,
The actual problem i was referring to occurs when a listview control
is destroyed. If the control uses system images and doesnt have
the "LVS_SHAREIMAGELISTS" flag set it will take out various
objects like folders that normally appear in Windows Explorer,
icons on the taskbar, and icons and folders on the desktop.
This condition is always recognizable by the fact that it happens
right after the listview control is destroyed, which usually
occurs when the application is closed, and that after a reboot
all the objects reappear normally.
The problem is of course solved by making sure that the
listview style flags includes LVS_SHAREIMAGELISTS.
If this isnt the problem, or if this is only part of the problem,
then i would have to see the actual code in its entirety in order
to tell what else might wrong. I do have win 98 so it would
appear on my system as well. At this time, i dont have access to
a win XP machine that often, so i wouldnt be able to test it
on XP normally.
Let me know where i can find the code and the library version
and i'd be glad to take a look if this doesnt help.
Take care for now,
Al
9. RE: win32 and win98
Pete Lomax wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 16:56:49 +0000, Al Getz <Xaxo at aol.com> wrote:
>
> <snip>
> > the lower W versions'
> What does that mean?
>
> Pete
>
Hi Pete,
Lower Windows versions, like 98, etc, below 2000 usually.
Take care,
Al
10. RE: win32 and win98
Derek Parnell wrote:
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brian Broker" <bkb at cnw.com>
> To: "EUforum" <EUforum at topica.com>
> Subject: RE: win32 and win98
>
>
> > Good grief... the NT/2K/XP line has always been superior to the 9x/ME
> > line for many reasons (and also a good reason for discontinuing the
> > latter). However, this is not the proper forum to discuss such things.
> >
> > Anyway... how many different distributions of linux are there now? How
> > many compatibility problems exist with different core components of
> > different distributions of linux (can you even mix and match)? How many
> >
> > desktop environments exist for different distributions of linux? How
> > many different shells? What is the best combination and overall
> > hardware compatiblity of an OS with so many flavors and possible
> > combinations? If I buy new hardware, do I need to compile my own driver
> >
> > or do I just go to linuxupdate.com?
> >
> > Oh wait, this isn't the place for that kind of discussion either.
> >
> > Please, let it rest... I really don't care.
>
> Seeing that Brian doesn't care, we really should end this discussion
> about WIN32LIB and how it behaves differently depending on the version
> of OpSys its running under.
>
> The significant piece of data from all these inputs is that there is
> something wrong with win32lib. I will continue my search for the fix to
> this mistake in the library. All assistance will be welcome.
>
> --
> Derek
>
>
Hello again Derek,
I'd be interested to hear if the flag helps at all.
Take care for now,
Al
11. RE: win32 and win98
Derek Parnell wrote:
> Seeing that Brian doesn't care, we really should end this discussion
> about
> WIN32LIB and how it behaves differently depending on the version of
> OpSys
> its running under.
Travis Beaty wrote:
> Yes. However, this is the proper forum, last time I knew, to discuss
> Euphoria libraries such as win32lib.ew, and which platforms it runs and
> does
> not run on.
It's funny how you both deleted what I was responding to.
Here, let me put that back in for you:
Irv wrote:
> Actually, XP was produced by another, more qualified
> group:
> see http://www.newtechusa.com/PPI/main.asp
>
> Irv
Get it now? I'm not blasting the original intent of the thread. Don't
remove the context of my comments then give me grief about it.
Thanks,
-- Brian
