1. {OT} Interesting view on Windows/Linux+Wine
- Posted by Al Getz <Xaxo at aol.com>
Mar 07, 2006
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Last edited Mar 08, 2006
Hello again,
In a pm a friend wrote this:
Emulators usually suck because they run at a fraction
of the speed of the real thing and when a weird interrupt call is
initiated they choke... I have also heard some emulators want money
to give you ability to use some software. If I had to choose between
windoze and putting up with wine etc.... I choose windoze because
that is less time I spend messing with trying to make something work
I could be doing something useful. If I were poor I could save about
$150 or less going the linux/wine thing but having to deal with
compatibity every time you want to use a new piece of softare will
quickly undo any savings that you could just get a part time job to
buy windoze with.
Interesting view? Should i even bother getting Linux since i already
have Windows?
Take care,
Al
And, good luck with your Euphoria programming!
My bumper sticker: "I brake for LED's"
2. Re: {OT} Interesting view on Windows/Linux+Wine
Al Getz wrote:
>
> Hello again,
>
>
> In a pm a friend wrote this:
>
> Emulators usually suck because they run at a fraction
> of the speed of the real thing and when a weird interrupt call is
> initiated they choke... I have also heard some emulators want money
> to give you ability to use some software. If I had to choose between
> windoze and putting up with wine etc.... I choose windoze because
> that is less time I spend messing with trying to make something work
> I could be doing something useful. If I were poor I could save about
> $150 or less going the linux/wine thing but having to deal with
> compatibity every time you want to use a new piece of softare will
> quickly undo any savings that you could just get a part time job to
> buy windoze with.
>
>
> Interesting view? Should i even bother getting Linux since i already
> have Windows?
>
Short Answer - If your interested in Freedom, yes.
I agree that Wine can be a pain in the neck. I see it as a software
methodone treatment to help wean people away from the monopolistic,
totalitarian, authoritarian, mind-numbing, criminal monster, MicroSoft.
I have often considered the plight of German's during the rise of the
3rd Reich. Often, in order to work, it was necessary, or at the very
least, convenient, to support the Nazi party. Now, I suppose the same
might be said of most profesional programmers today - MS/Windows
programmingis their bread and butter. There is a price to be paid
no matter whichroad is taken.
The choice for me is very easy. I'm not a professional programmer. Under
Linux I have everything I want. Indeed, for me, Linux is a lot, I mean
a heck of a lot, less of a hassle than Windows.
Regards,
Ken Rhodes
100% MicroSoft Free
SuSE Linux 10.0
No AddWare, SpyWare, or Viruses!
Life is Good 
3. Re: {OT} Interesting view on Windows/Linux+Wine
Al Getz wrote:
>
> Interesting view? Should i even bother getting Linux since i already
> have Windows?
Al:
The only reason someone would even want to use wine
is to run some windows program so they don't have to
learn something new.
You should try a full version of Linux REDHAT, MANDRAKE,
SUSE, ETC. They use X-Windows to run GUI's that just as
good as windows and are in some ways better. There are
free compilers and langauges of all types available for
Linux. Lots of Math stuff. Linux can be interfaced to
the outside world for controling electronic devices.
PS: Beside then you can try my XMOTOR.
Bernie
My files in archive:
WMOTOR, XMOTOR, W32ENGIN, MIXEDLIB, EU_ENGIN, WIN32ERU, WIN32API
Can be downloaded here:
http://www.rapideuphoria.com/cgi-bin/asearch.exu?dos=on&win=on&lnx=on&gen=on&keywords=bernie+ryan
4. Re: {OT} Interesting view on Windows/Linux+Wine
> Emulators usually suck because they run at a fraction
> of the speed of the real thing and when a weird interrupt call is
> initiated they choke... I have also heard some emulators want money
> to give you ability to use some software. If I had to choose between
> windoze and putting up with wine etc.... I choose windoze because
> that is less time I spend messing with trying to make something work
> I could be doing something useful. If I were poor I could save about
> $150 or less going the linux/wine thing but having to deal with
> compatibity every time you want to use a new piece of softare will
> quickly undo any savings that you could just get a part time job to
> buy windoze with.
>
> Interesting view? Should i even bother getting Linux since i already
> have Windows?
Wow. That is an interesting view, especially since its completely
wrong. WINE stands for "Wine Is Not and Emulator" so.... duh! Its not
an emulator! There are many myths about Wine being crap when in
reality its totally awesome. I love Wine. :) I direct your friend
here: http://www.winehq.com/site/myths
~Greg
5. Re: {OT} Interesting view on Windows/Linux+Wine
Al Getz wrote:
>
> Hello again,
>
>
> In a pm a friend wrote this:
>
> Emulators usually suck because they run at a fraction
> of the speed of the real thing and when a weird interrupt call is
> initiated they choke... I have also heard some emulators want money
> to give you ability to use some software. If I had to choose between
> windoze and putting up with wine etc.... I choose windoze because
> that is less time I spend messing with trying to make something work
> I could be doing something useful. If I were poor I could save about
> $150 or less going the linux/wine thing but having to deal with
> compatibity every time you want to use a new piece of softare will
> quickly undo any savings that you could just get a part time job to
> buy windoze with.
>
>
> Interesting view? Should i even bother getting Linux since i already
> have Windows?
>
>
> Al
>
>
> My bumper sticker: "I brake for LED's"
I think Ken's reply is a *little* over the top. MS isn't as bad as all that.
While they have done some unsavory things, I still think they make relatively
good software. Definitely not comparable to the actions of the Third Reich.
The Freedom of Linux, and Free Software in general, is a value-added
proposition. You know that you, or anyone, can modify the source code to fit your
needs. You do not just have to rely on the originator of the Software like you do
with proprietary software. In addition, you can share your changes freely without
worrying about royalties or infringing on someone else's "intellectual property".
This is a good thing even if you don't personally modify any Free Software. You
still get the benefits of a community doing this for you, as well as intensive
peer-review.
Now, if Windows is good enough for you then that is fine. Use Wine only if you
use Linux mostly but need a few Windows tools still. Linux is a little difficult
to administer, but I love the command-line tools for normal work. Even though I
use Windows mostly, I still install Unix Command Line Tools when I do. Guess I
just got used to typing 'ls' instead of 'dir' at work! Plus, X Window System is
awesome if you like to have your own custom GUI.
Link for Unix Command Line Tools http://unxutils.sourceforge.net/
There are other stuff, but this is my favorite so far.
PS I've never tried Wine, but I think your friend might be wrong in this case
about emulation. Wine stands for 'Wine Is Not an Emulator'. And it isn't. I
believe that it is a re-implementation of the shared libraries of Windows (which
are what make Windows Windows) under Linux/*BSD.
--
"Any programming problem can be solved by adding a level of indirection."
--anonymous
"Any performance problem can be solved by removing a level of indirection."
--M. Haertel
"Premature optimization is the root of all evil in programming."
--C.A.R. Hoare
j.
6. Re: {OT} Interesting view on Windows/Linux+Wine
Hi Al,
WINE isnt an emulator but more like a Win32 API clone for *nix. WINE does not
work correctly with many native Windows applications and is really a "twist your
fingers and hope it will work" event. WINE is getting better and better, but if
you want to reliably use Windows programs on Linux or BSD, I'd suggest buying a
virtual machine product. However VMs will greatly slow down system performance.
I recently started using Ubuntu (gonna use Kubuntu in 6.04). I tried PC-BSD and
it was great, but there weren't any stable 3D acceleration drivers for my ATI
Radeon 9600 on BSD yet.
Ubuntu is an excellent "middle road" distrobution with a huge helpful community,
fantasic documentation and online wiki, and the spirit of Debian and it's 18,000
packages; you can use RPM too. With Alien you can convert between numerious
package formats.
With that said, Linux isn't anything like Windows. Vista might be closer but
still very different. With Linux and BSD, you need to immediately learn some
terminal commands to do basic tasks (like changing file permissions, becoming
super user, downloading packages with apt-get and RPM, etc.)
I'm very much a *nix nOOb but learning quickly. I'd say if your willing to
invest the time needed to learn UNIX then come on over. Otherwise just stick with
Windows and get spyware remover software.
It'd be nice to have more open-minded people migrate to Linux than those who are
anti-Microsoft, anti-Windows, etc. I dislike the immature geeks who use Linux and
bash Microsoft and/or the commericial software movement in general.
Windows has improved greatly since 9x/ME and Vista will be even better. The
Linux users who say Windows is crap are wrong and completely bias.
BTW, I have a dual boot Windows XP SP2, Ubuntu Breezy v5.10 system using the
GRUB bootloader. It works great.
Regards,
Vincent
7. Re: {OT} Interesting view on Windows/Linux+Wine
Vincent wrote:
> With that said, Linux isn't anything like Windows. Vista might be closer but
> still very different. With Linux and BSD, you need to immediately learn some
> terminal commands to do basic tasks (like changing file permissions, becoming
> super user, downloading packages with apt-get and RPM, etc.)
>
With many distros I've used, including Ubuntu, you can do all of these same
tasks with the GUI. Sometimes it is more straightforward to use the command-line,
though.
Remember, there are some things in Windows that you can only do from the
command-line as well. It's just that they aren't common enough for most users to
do.
--
"Any programming problem can be solved by adding a level of indirection."
--anonymous
"Any performance problem can be solved by removing a level of indirection."
--M. Haertel
"Premature optimization is the root of all evil in programming."
--C.A.R. Hoare
j.
8. Re: {OT} Interesting view on Windows/Linux+Wine
Jason,
Your right, of course, I was just a little over the top - let's call it
hyperbole. I appreciate your more appropriate insights regarding
Wine and Linux - as well as those offered by Bernie, Greg, and Vincent.
Vincent wrote:
> It'd be nice to have more open-minded people migrate to Linux than those who
> are anti-Microsoft, anti-Windows, etc. I dislike the immature geeks who use
> Linux and bash Microsoft and/or the commericial software movement in general.
Oh, Well. Hmmmm it just occurred to me that my string of bad experiences
with MicroSoft began nearly 25 years ago. I'm not closed minded - just
experienced!
Gosh, a number of the folks on the list here, weren't here, or anywhere,
then!
Ken Rhodes
100% MicroSoft Free
SuSE Linux 10.0
No AddWare, SpyWare, or Viruses!
Life is Good
9. Re: {OT} Interesting view on Windows/Linux+Wine
Jason Gade wrote:
> With many distros I've used, including Ubuntu, you can do all of these same
> tasks with the GUI. Sometimes it is more straightforward to use the
> command-line,
> though.
There is alot I can do with the GUI, but also alot I cannot. At least it seems
that way with Ubuntu. PC-BSD seemed to be easier to get a grip on.
I have to use "sudo" constantly, even if I make a Gnome root account. I cannot
change any file permissions in Nautilus without first doing "gksudo nautilus", or
using "sudo chmod -attr file/dir". I cannot seem to use WINE without typing
"wine" in the terminal, etc. All of my system setup was done using the terminal.
Perhaps this is different in SUSE with YaST or in newcomer distrobutions like
Xandros, PC Linux, Linspire. But with Ubuntu you will meet Mr. X termimal right
away.
I like it this way though... Ubuntu is good because it requires newbies to learn
the terminal like any normal Linux user would but not so much to scare them away
(like Gentoo maybe). Ubuntu also comes with a disabled root account by default,
which is a pretty clever idea I think.
> Remember, there are some things in Windows that you can only do from the
> command-line
> as well. It's just that they aren't common enough for most users to do.
But it really isn't the same. Most of the DOS command line is used for well DOS
related stuff. The X terminal is much more powerful and has built in scripting
language called BASH. Though you can get a more powerful DOS console called 4NT.
> --
> "Any programming problem can be solved by adding a level of indirection."
> --anonymous
> "Any performance problem can be solved by removing a level of indirection."
> --M. Haertel
> "Premature optimization is the root of all evil in programming."
> --C.A.R. Hoare
> j.
Regards,
Vincent
10. Re: {OT} Interesting view on Windows/Linux+Wine
Kenneth Rhodes wrote:
>
> Jason,
>
> Your right, of course, I was just a little over the top - let's call it
> hyperbole. I appreciate your more appropriate insights regarding
> Wine and Linux - as well as those offered by Bernie, Greg, and Vincent.
>
>
> Vincent wrote:
>
> > It'd be nice to have more open-minded people migrate to Linux than those who
> > are anti-Microsoft, anti-Windows, etc. I dislike the immature geeks who use
> > Linux and bash Microsoft and/or the commericial software movement in
> > general.
>
> Oh, Well. Hmmmm it just occurred to me that my string of bad experiences
> with MicroSoft began nearly 25 years ago. I'm not closed minded - just
> experienced!
>
> Gosh, a number of the folks on the list here, weren't here, or anywhere,
> then!
>
> Ken Rhodes
> 100% MicroSoft Free
> SuSE Linux 10.0
> No AddWare, SpyWare, or Viruses!
> Life is Good
Well I haven't had any *bad* experiences per se. I like the *idea* of Linux
better but I haven't yet been able to pry myself away. And I've been trying Linux
out for almost ten years now.
I have to admit that I like free software more for the cost than for the freedom
of it. I just don't have the cash to put out for all of the stuff that I like to
try and use. But I also appreciate the freedom of it as well, and when it comes
to choosing between an open-source free product and a closed-source one, I go
with the open-source one.
One time when Win98 crashed on me, I was able to convert the family to Linux for
two weeks until I got around to repairing Windows. It worked out pretty well, but
I still went back to the dark side.
I swore that I would never buy Windows XP, but I did. Now I swear that I'll
never buy Vista :)
One of these days, I'll get there. But I still think that MS does make some
quality software. It's just that sometimes the cost of freedom of price and
openness to code outweighs their offerings.
BTW, my computer history comes by way of the Amiga. I know how the power of
multitasking and a great command line interface can really make for a good user
experience.
--
"Any programming problem can be solved by adding a level of indirection."
--anonymous
"Any performance problem can be solved by removing a level of indirection."
--M. Haertel
"Premature optimization is the root of all evil in programming."
--C.A.R. Hoare
j.
11. Re: {OT} Interesting view on Windows/Linux+Wine
Vincent wrote:
>
> Jason Gade wrote:
>
> > With many distros I've used, including Ubuntu, you can do all of these same
> > tasks with the GUI. Sometimes it is more straightforward to use the
> > command-line,
> > though.
>
> There is alot I can do with the GUI, but also alot I cannot. At least it seems
> that way with Ubuntu. PC-BSD seemed to be easier to get a grip on.
>
> I have to use "sudo" constantly, even if I make a Gnome root account. I cannot
> change any file permissions in Nautilus without first doing "gksudo nautilus",
> or using "sudo chmod -attr file/dir". I cannot seem to use WINE without typing
> "wine" in the terminal, etc. All of my system setup was done using the
> terminal.
>
> Perhaps this is different in SUSE with YaST or in newcomer distrobutions like
> Xandros, PC Linux, Linspire. But with Ubuntu you will meet Mr. X termimal
> right
> away.
>
> I like it this way though... Ubuntu is good because it requires newbies to
> learn
> the terminal like any normal Linux user would but not so much to scare them
> away (like Gentoo maybe). Ubuntu also comes with a disabled root account by
> default, which is a pretty clever idea I think.
There are some things you should need sudo for, but for changing the permissions
of *your own* files and folders, you should be able to do that without root
permissions. I think most Linux file managers support that.
In Linux there are a lot of things you need root permissions for, but there are
a lot that you don't.
> > Remember, there are some things in Windows that you can only do from the
> > command-line
> > as well. It's just that they aren't common enough for most users to do.
>
> But it really isn't the same. Most of the DOS command line is used for well
> DOS related stuff. The X terminal is much more powerful and has built in
> scripting
> language called BASH. Though you can get a more powerful DOS console called
> 4NT.
>
> Regards,
> Vincent
I'm not talking about regular DOS stuff. I'm talking about the 'net' command and
other system administration stuff. Maybe some of it is exposed in MMC but I don't
remember which. Stuff like setting the 'guest' user password for increased
security on your home network.
There are some Windows 2000/XP specific commands that I believe are command-line
only and are not exposed through the GUI. That is my point. They are just not
very common for average users.
--
"Any programming problem can be solved by adding a level of indirection."
--anonymous
"Any performance problem can be solved by removing a level of indirection."
--M. Haertel
"Premature optimization is the root of all evil in programming."
--C.A.R. Hoare
j.
12. Re: {OT} Interesting view on Windows/Linux+Wine
Kenneth Rhodes wrote:
> Oh, Well. Hmmmm it just occurred to me that my string of bad experiences
> with MicroSoft began nearly 25 years ago. I'm not closed minded - just
> experienced!
Well I have half that: 12 years. :P
I've been using Microsoft software since I began using computers.
I was happy with Windows 95 and 98 despite the occasional BSOD. But now with
Windows XP, there is more stability and security with the NT kernel. I can leave
Windows XP SP2 running for several weeks without crashes or slowdowns.
I still use Office 97 at home and 2003 at school and find them very robust
suites. Although I'm very impressed at how the Open Source community was able to
conjure up Open Office v2.0 and rival with the commerical Microsoft Office 2003!
Good stuff!
> Gosh, a number of the folks on the list here, weren't here, or anywhere,
> then!
Yep, I'm only about 19 years old now.
Regards,
Vincent
13. Re: {OT} Interesting view on Windows/Linux+Wine
Hello Al,
I've been tring to install Ubuntu for 2 weeks now so I could experiment with
wx programs.
I recieved 10 CDs from Ubuntu (5.04 ver.) and every one hangs on install.
Some guy from the Ubuntu forum was nice enough to send me a 5.10 CD. I finally
got it installed. After running it a couple of times with muli-boot I would boot
up and the Linux screen showed GRUB>_(cusor flashing). I inquired about this on
the Ubuntu forum. And was told this was a 'bad thing'. So I re-installed and
everything worked fine (for a while) then the same thing happen again. I was
advised to put GRUB on a seperate partition. I reformated and tried this a couple
of times. Now the 5.10 installation CD hangs. This guy, on the Ubuntu forum said
he's going to send me another CD. However I'm under the impression
that Ubuntu simply cannot be installed or multi-booted with windows.
I'm with you that I believe my time would be better spent working with Windows.
God bless Bill Gates for bringing us Windows.
Don Cole
14. Re: {OT} Interesting view on Windows/Linux+Wine
> I recently started using Ubuntu (gonna use Kubuntu in 6.04). I tried PC-B=
SD and it was great, but there weren't any stable 3D acceleration drivers f=
or my ATI Radeon 9600 on BSD yet.
I like Ubuntu to a point. My friends and I have deemed it the best
distro to just "get in and drive" so-to-speak. But for those of us who
want to work "under the hood" - it totally sucks. Just read my post
from last week on environment variables. There's no standard way to
set them. You have to edit some proprietary "Environment" file, and
even then they aren't expanded, so you can't do something like
EUDIR=$HOME/euphoria, you'd have to do EUDIR=/home/greg/euphoria,
which totally blows!
I'm going back to Slackware as soon as I get a new NIC in my Linux
box. I just can't not work under the hood.
~Greg
15. Re: {OT} Interesting view on Windows/Linux+Wine
Greg Haberek wrote:
>
> > I recently started using Ubuntu (gonna use Kubuntu in 6.04). I tried PC-B=
> SD and it was great, but there weren't any stable 3D acceleration drivers f=
> or my ATI Radeon 9600 on BSD yet.
>
> I like Ubuntu to a point. My friends and I have deemed it the best
> distro to just "get in and drive" so-to-speak. But for those of us who
> want to work "under the hood" - it totally sucks. Just read my post
> from last week on environment variables. There's no standard way to
> set them. You have to edit some proprietary "Environment" file, and
> even then they aren't expanded, so you can't do something like
> EUDIR=$HOME/euphoria, you'd have to do EUDIR=/home/greg/euphoria,
> which totally blows!
I was not able to set up my DSL internet connection with Ubuntu, DSL,
and Vector Linux. Frankly, I did not try very hard, but SuSE and
Mandrake, in my opinion, offer a very easy and straight forward method
of connecting to the internet.
> I'm going back to Slackware as soon as I get a new NIC in my Linux
> box. I just can't not work under the hood.
>
I have been very impressed with the slackware based Vector Linux. if
I could get it to connect to the internet, I'd probably install it and
give it a shot at being my primary boot option.
>Don Cole wrote:
>God bless Bill Gates for bringing us Windows.
From the movie "Frailty":
"May God Bless you - and keep you."
Ken Rhodes
100% MicroSoft Free
SuSE Linux 10.0
No AddWare, SpyWare, or Viruses!
Life is Good
16. Re: {OT} Interesting view on Windows/Linux+Wine
don cole wrote:
>
> Hello Al,
>
> I've been tring to install Ubuntu for 2 weeks now so I could experiment with
> wx programs.
>
> I recieved 10 CDs from Ubuntu (5.04 ver.) and every one hangs on install.
> Some guy from the Ubuntu forum was nice enough to send me a 5.10 CD. I finally
> got it installed. After running it a couple of times with muli-boot I would
> boot up and the Linux screen showed GRUB>_(cusor flashing). I inquired about
> this on the Ubuntu forum. And was told this was a 'bad thing'. So I
> re-installed
> and everything worked fine (for a while) then the same thing happen again. I
> was advised to put GRUB on a seperate partition. I reformated and tried this
> a couple of times. Now the 5.10 installation CD hangs. This guy, on the Ubuntu
> forum said he's going to send me another CD. However I'm under the impression
> that Ubuntu simply cannot be installed or multi-booted with windows.
> I'm with you that I believe my time would be better spent working with
> Windows.
>
> God bless Bill Gates for bringing us Windows.
>
>
> Don Cole
Hi Don,
Thats interesting. I just downloaded the x86 ISO at around 632 MB and burned it
to a CD. My computer boot the CD the first time and installed it without any
problems as a dual boot system. The internet worked right out of the box and it
was only minor trouble to get 3D acceleration, printer drivers, MP3 playback, DVD
playback + CSS, Java, Shockwave, Firefox v1.5, etc. My USB 2 flash drive is
automatically detected when inserted.
The only thing I havent got working yet is Euphoria and my scanner. But there
has been some discussion on how to install Euphoria on Ubuntu here. I'm gonna
read up soon.
What I like about Ubuntu is the relatively small download compared to the four
or five GB distros like SUSE or Fedora Core. Ubuntu has massive package
repositories like Debian, so I can easily download and install additional
software when needed. With some distros, basically everything is included with
the package and that really contributes to a huge download. Huge downloads don't
work well with 256 kbps connections.
I guess I could order the CDs but I don't want to pay and wait several weeks
just to recieve them.
Regards,
Vincent
17. Re: {OT} Interesting view on Windows/Linux+Wine
Greg Haberek wrote:
> I like Ubuntu to a point. My friends and I have deemed it the best
> distro to just "get in and drive" so-to-speak. But for those of us who
> want to work "under the hood" - it totally sucks. Just read my post
> from last week on environment variables. There's no standard way to
> set them. You have to edit some proprietary "Environment" file, and
> even then they aren't expanded, so you can't do something like
> EUDIR=$HOME/euphoria, you'd have to do EUDIR=/home/greg/euphoria,
> which totally blows!
>
> I'm going back to Slackware as soon as I get a new NIC in my Linux
> box. I just can't not work under the hood.
>
> ~Greg
Obviously no one distro is right for everyone. Advanced Linux users will
probably prefer advanced distros like Slackware and Gentoo. Picking between the
hundreds of Linux distrobutions is an ugly task and really puts favor to the BSD
side with only a handful of distros.
I believe Slackware is all about configuring the system via text files and
Gentoo is about building a customized installation tailed to the users CPU from
source code. None of these spark interest to typical Linux newbies.
I will probably consider going to FreeBSD once r300+ acceleration drivers become
available. FreeBSD is the most popular BSD operating system, that could become
desktop friendly with a little work.
Regards,
Vincent
18. Re: {OT} Interesting view on Windows/Linux+Wine
Hello again,
Wow, lots of replies on this subject...which helps me understand the
Linux vs Windows showdown a bit better, so thanks to everyone who
offered advice/opinions/help in this area.
I reply in the same order as appeared on this Forum...
Ken:
Ok so Wine may not be everything but from what you're saying you'd like
to try to reduce Microsofts hold on the computer world even a little
bit...not too bad of an idea i guess because i dont like that either,
but i've been a little divided: If we could go back to what comps
were before MS would we all have different software again? Or,
perhaps the Gov should step in and regulate computer software...
that's what they do with everything else that affects the whole
population in some way...maybe we (USA and other) need that now.
But then it's like my friend mentioned...the prices of their OP SYS
isnt really all that bad considering it works with mucho software.
I just dont know...it's a tough argument.
Bernie:
From what you say Wine may be a pain but X-Windows sounds better.
You're making Lin sound very good! I wonder however, do most
Lin owners also program in some capacity?
Im not sure what XMOTOR is for but it sounds interesting.
Perhaps you can elab. a bit?
Greg:
Oh ok, i see, and i passed the info along to friend. How much
do you use Wine BTW?
Jason:
Yes maybe comparing MS to Nazi Germany isnt that good of a
comparison When something doesnt work that they made
however it's really a pain because it might be hard to fix.
I cant remember how to set up my MS compiler on XP properly
so that i get all the docs showing right and it's all because
MS used a proprietary file format for their docs. I had it
set up once but i used some sort of trick that i cant remember.
I swore i wouldnt buy another MS op sys too, then i got XP he he.
Vincent:
Always happy to hear your viewpoint.
I dont see me going the VM route because i dont want to buy anything
else and it sounds slow already. Maybe the X Windows? Dont know
what RPM is because i never got that far with my 'Live' Lin version
a while back.
I guess i have to agree that Windows isnt 'that' bad...except when
it doesnt work the way you expect it too. I have had XP for a
while now and only had a few very very hard to solve problems,
which required reinstall...nothing else worked.
If i dual boot it would be from different drives (ie Win on one
and Lin on the other) so probably no prob here because i would
then use the bios settings to dual boot. I've done this for
a while now with 98/XP.
Don:
Geeze, sound like you had quite a problem with Lin. Maybe another
version? I guess Win is a little easier to get up and running.
Take care,
Al
Take care,
Al
And, good luck with your Euphoria programming!
My bumper sticker: "I brake for LED's"
19. Re: {OT} Interesting view on Windows/Linux+Wine
- Posted by Chris Burch <chriscrylex at aol.com>
Mar 08, 2006
-
Last edited Mar 09, 2006
Hi
I have all of my surgeries running Linux (SuSE, cos its a doddle to setup), and
most of the staff have no problems running it, and even using OpenOffice, on as
many computers as I want, for no extra charge. I use older / recycled hardware as
much as possible, and 2 of the computers running Windows, one win98, and one XP,
because we need to use 2 programs that require windows to run (both of these are
linked to the network).
I wouldn't go back to an MS way of doing things in my business life, but for
home, and other family members, school age children, game playing, I have to use
windows - I triple boot win98, xp and Linux at home, although its a rare outing
for 98 and Linux.
At the end of the day I'm not an os snob or fanatic. Each have there uses / pros
/ cons, and every individual will get his or her needs from the os they require.
As far as free stuff goes, theres enough of that out there on all platforms to
suit my needs (without pirating). I've just discovered the palm os too - that
looks like fun!
If you love computers, and fiddling, then load a Linux, just like the good ole
days of DOS!
Of course, you could always load a pc emulator onto Windows, then Linux onto
that (qemu etc) - many more hours of frenzied fiddling!
Chris
http://members.aol.com/chriscrylex/euphoria.htm
http://uboard.proboards32.com/
http://members.aol.com/chriscrylex/EUSQLite/eusql.html
20. Re: {OT} Interesting view on Windows/Linux+Wine
- Posted by Bernie Ryan <xotron at bluefrog.com>
Mar 08, 2006
-
Last edited Mar 09, 2006
Al Getz wrote:
> Bernie:
> From what you say Wine may be a pain but X-Windows sounds better.
> You're making Lin sound very good! I wonder however, do most
> Lin owners also program in some capacity?
> Im not sure what XMOTOR is for but it sounds interesting.
> Perhaps you can elab. a bit?
Al:
Most GUIs on Linux are built on top of the X-Windows graphics
at the lowest level.
At the next level to make of X-Windows programming a little
easier is the X Intrinsic toolkit caled Xt.
Built on top of the above comes Athena Widgets called
Xaw and Xaw3d.
Also Built on top of the above comes Motif Widgets called
Xm.
My XMOTOR library allows a Euphoria programmer to:
1. Program using X-Window only.
2. Program using Xt.
3. Program using Athena Widgets.
4. Program using Motif Widgets.
5. Program using all of the above with a single library
which contains "C" string and structure handling.
6. The motor.eu library is also the same library that
does windows programming in XMOTOR. I think if anyone
is ambious enough they should be able to write something
like the win32lib or WndClass that is cross-platform.
Another advantage of MOTOR is that is much easier to wrap
a DLL or SO.
All you have to do to wrap a DLL.
1: Declare a library.
library("somename.dll")
2: Follow that with the list function declarations.
-- declare somefunction that has 5 parameters
-- that returns a signed type.
declare("somefunction",5,s)
-- a procedure that has no parameters
declare("someprocedure",0,n)
ETC...
Then your ready to use the DLL or SO.
You can setup the constants and structures
with motor as you need them.
Download windows version WMOTOR and you will see what I mean.
In WndClass the declares could be seperate in
each of your include modules.
Bernie
My files in archive:
WMOTOR, XMOTOR, W32ENGIN, MIXEDLIB, EU_ENGIN, WIN32ERU, WIN32API
Can be downloaded here:
http://www.rapideuphoria.com/cgi-bin/asearch.exu?dos=on&win=on&lnx=on&gen=on&keywords=bernie+ryan
21. Re: {OT} Interesting view on Windows/Linux+Wine
- Posted by irv mullins <irvm at ellijay.com>
Mar 08, 2006
-
Last edited Mar 09, 2006
Al:
I used to work in construction.
Almost anybody can use a shovel.
Some can run a backhoe.
Both can dig holes.
A certain percentage can't be trusted with anything more powerful than
a shovel.
If you have actual work to be done, you'll learn to use the backhoe,
or continue to sweat at the other end of the shovel.
My current computer will just barely run XP, but can't keep up if I try
to do more than one thing at a time. The same computer running Linux will
let me - let's see: right now, I'm downloading 5 2meg photos, compiling
a new version of a computer language, have 5 web browsers open, and
I'm writing this. I'm not worried about having to do it all over because
of a crash.
Irv
22. Re: {OT} Interesting view on Windows/Linux+Wine
irv mullins wrote:
> My current computer will just barely run XP, but can't keep up if I try
> to do more than one thing at a time. The same computer running Linux will
> let me - let's see: right now, I'm downloading 5 2meg photos, compiling
> a new version of a computer language, have 5 web browsers open, and
> I'm writing this. I'm not worried about having to do it all over because
> of a crash.
Well maybe. Windows XP has very reasonable system requirements of a 233 MHz
processor, 64 MB ram (128 MB+ highly recommended), etc. Now if your talking about
the upcoming Windows Vista then your absolutly correct.
The requirements for Linux depend greatly on which desktop environment you use.
I'd say Windows XP has a simular requirements to a Linux distrobution with the
Enlightenment, Fluxbox, or XFCE (maybe) desktops environments. But if your
talking the latest Gnome or KDE the minimal system requirements are easily 800
MHz to 1 GHz and 256 to 512+ MB of memory, plus a fairly decent graphics card.
Of course you can run KDE and Gnome on lesser systems, but you will pay the
price of poorer performance and system responsiveness. On a 233 MHz system with
64 MB RAM, KDE or Gnome would probably be unbearably slow.
Regards,
Vincent
23. Re: {OT} Interesting view on Windows/Linux+Wine
Vincent wrote:
> Thats interesting. I just downloaded the x86 ISO at around 632 MB and burned
> it to a CD. My computer boot the CD the first time.
I downloaded that file with dialup (32 hrs.) only to find out that it has to be
burnt. Alas I don't have a CD burner. Maybe that other guy will send me another
CD. Someone said the CDs cost money (not true) they are free. You have to wait 4
to 6 weeks (true). By the time I got mine 5.04 they were obsolete. Now everybody
is using 5.10. I looking for a CD burner also.
To Al,
A group of private citizens raised 12 million + (called 'The Fallen Hero's
Fund'). They are using the money to build a rehabilitation center for GIs with
missing limbs and so forth in San Antonio ,Texas. The reason they used private
money* was because they felt an IMMEDIATE need to complete this project without
getting permission from Congress or anybody else. The VA will run the facility.
They already have the foundation built.
So the idea of getting the government involved in anything to do with computers
is ridiculous. Buy the time they decide on anything, it will be obsolete.
To everybody else,
I haven't been able to keep Linux running long enough to know what your talking
about. Except Vincent's RPM, I think he's referring to Ranish Partition Manager.
*Cher gave 300,000 BofA,SA 175,000 and many, many others. I'm sure you can find
the complete list on the web somewhere. Look up Fallen Hero's Fund and donate.
Don Cole
24. Re: {OT} Interesting view on Windows/Linux+Wine
don cole wrote:
> I downloaded that file with dialup (32 hrs.) only to find out that it has to
> be burnt. Alas I don't have a CD burner. Maybe that other guy will send
me another
> CD. Someone said the CDs cost money (not true) they are free. You have to wait
> 4 to 6 weeks (true). By the time I got mine 5.04 they were obsolete. Now
> everybody
> is using 5.10. I looking for a CD burner also.
Well then try downloading Fedora Core 4 for instance. You would be going bald
and in a wheelchair the time it finished. I'd recommend a buisness card
distribution for dialup users who want to "play" with Linux.
Well Ubuntu CDs are free, but most free distros are available on CDs for a small
fee. The fee is usually only material and shipping + handling costs. I'm not sure
why they dont charge for Ubuntu ones. Do you know why they dont?
Actually new stable Ubuntu releases occur every six months. The same thing
happens with the sister projects as well. The fact they came out with a new
release around the time you recieved the CD was likely due to you ordering a CD
only a month before the new Breezy Badger release then waiting a month for
delivery. So in this case it would be wise to order a CD as soon as they become
available.
> Except Vincent's RPM, I think he's referring to Ranish Partition Manager.
Actually I meant Revolutions Per Minute, but maybe also Red Hat Package Manager.
> Don Cole
Regards,
Vincent
25. Re: {OT} Interesting view on Windows/Linux+Wine
> Greg:
> Oh ok, i see, and i passed the info along to friend. How much
> do you use Wine BTW?
Right now, not at all as I am currently hunting and trying out new
distros. When I was using Fedora Core 2, I had Wine installed and was
running everything from Word to IE, AIM and even Judith's IDE! It
worked great. I found for any standard app it works fine. Sometimes an
app would crash randomly, but very rarely, and usually it was a
trivial app like AIM.
I installed Wine on my Ubuntu box (Hoary Hedgehog release) and it
seemed to work fine. Ran most Win32Lib demos and Judith's IDE just
fine.
~Greg
26. Re: {OT} Interesting view on Windows/Linux+Wine
- Posted by Al Getz <Xaxo at aol.com>
Mar 09, 2006
-
Last edited Mar 10, 2006
irv mullins wrote:
>
>
> Al:
>
> I used to work in construction.
>
> Almost anybody can use a shovel.
> Some can run a backhoe.
> Both can dig holes.
>
> A certain percentage can't be trusted with anything more powerful than
> a shovel.
>
> If you have actual work to be done, you'll learn to use the backhoe,
> or continue to sweat at the other end of the shovel.
>
> My current computer will just barely run XP, but can't keep up if I try
> to do more than one thing at a time. The same computer running Linux will
> let me - let's see: right now, I'm downloading 5 2meg photos, compiling
> a new version of a computer language, have 5 web browsers open, and
> I'm writing this. I'm not worried about having to do it all over because
> of a crash.
>
> Irv
Hi Irv,
I see what you mean. Windows has to keep track of too much stuff
i guess.
Take care,
Al
And, good luck with your Euphoria programming!
My bumper sticker: "I brake for LED's"
27. Re: {OT} Interesting view on Windows/Linux+Wine
- Posted by Al Getz <Xaxo at aol.com>
Mar 09, 2006
-
Last edited Mar 10, 2006
Bernie Ryan wrote:
>
> Al Getz wrote:
> > Bernie:
> > From what you say Wine may be a pain but X-Windows sounds better.
> > You're making Lin sound very good! I wonder however, do most
> > Lin owners also program in some capacity?
> > Im not sure what XMOTOR is for but it sounds interesting.
> > Perhaps you can elab. a bit?
>
>
> Al:
>
> Most GUIs on Linux are built on top of the X-Windows graphics
> at the lowest level.
>
> At the next level to make of X-Windows programming a little
> easier is the X Intrinsic toolkit caled Xt.
>
> Built on top of the above comes Athena Widgets called
> Xaw and Xaw3d.
>
> Also Built on top of the above comes Motif Widgets called
> Xm.
>
> My XMOTOR library allows a Euphoria programmer to:
>
> 1. Program using X-Window only.
>
> 2. Program using Xt.
>
> 3. Program using Athena Widgets.
>
> 4. Program using Motif Widgets.
>
> 5. Program using all of the above with a single library
> which contains "C" string and structure handling.
>
> 6. The motor.eu library is also the same library that
> does windows programming in XMOTOR. I think if anyone
> is ambious enough they should be able to write something
> like the win32lib or WndClass that is cross-platform.
>
> Another advantage of MOTOR is that is much easier to wrap
> a DLL or SO.
>
> All you have to do to wrap a DLL.
> 1: Declare a library.
> library("somename.dll")
> 2: Follow that with the list function declarations.
> -- declare somefunction that has 5 parameters
> -- that returns a signed type.
> declare("somefunction",5,s)
> -- a procedure that has no parameters
> declare("someprocedure",0,n)
> ETC...
>
> Then your ready to use the DLL or SO.
> You can setup the constants and structures
> with motor as you need them.
>
> Download windows version WMOTOR and you will see what I mean.
> In WndClass the declares could be seperate in
> each of your include modules.
>
>
> Bernie
>
> My files in archive:
> WMOTOR, XMOTOR, W32ENGIN, MIXEDLIB, EU_ENGIN, WIN32ERU, WIN32API
>
> Can be downloaded here:
> <a
> href="http://www.rapideuphoria.com/cgi-bin/asearch.exu?dos=on&win=on&lnx=on&gen=on&keywords=bernie+ryan">http://www.rapideuphoria.com/cgi-bin/asearch.exu?dos=on&win=on&lnx=on&gen=on&keywords=bernie+ryan</a>
Hi Bernie,
That sounds pretty interesting. I'll see if i can get to look at
WMotor soon. That runs on Windows right?
Take care,
Al
And, good luck with your Euphoria programming!
My bumper sticker: "I brake for LED's"
28. Re: {OT} Interesting view on Windows/Linux+Wine
- Posted by "Brian K. Clark" <bkc02 at health.state.ny.us>
Mar 09, 2006
-
Last edited Mar 10, 2006
Yes, over the years, M$-Windows has made me want to use a shovel...on the
computer. Sometimes even a backhoe ;-}
Gnu-B
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irv mullins wrote:
>
>
> Al:
>
> I used to work in construction.
>
> Almost anybody can use a shovel.
> Some can run a backhoe.
> Both can dig holes.
>
> A certain percentage can't be trusted with anything more powerful than
> a shovel.
>
> If you have actual work to be done, you'll learn to use the backhoe,
> or continue to sweat at the other end of the shovel.
>
> My current computer will just barely run XP, but can't keep up if I try
> to do more than one thing at a time. The same computer running Linux will
> let me - let's see: right now, I'm downloading 5 2meg photos, compiling
> a new version of a computer language, have 5 web browsers open, and
> I'm writing this. I'm not worried about having to do it all over because
> of a crash.
>
> Irv
Hi Irv,
I see what you mean. Windows has to keep track of too much stuff
i guess.
Take care,
Al
And, good luck with your Euphoria programming!
My bumper sticker: "I brake for LED's"
29. Re: {OT} Interesting view on Windows/Linux+Wine
Vincent wrote:
>
> irv mullins wrote:
>
> > My current computer will just barely run XP, but can't keep up if I try
> > to do more than one thing at a time. The same computer running Linux will
> > let me - let's see: right now, I'm downloading 5 2meg photos, compiling
> > a new version of a computer language, have 5 web browsers open, and
> > I'm writing this. I'm not worried about having to do it all over because
> > of a crash.
>
> Well maybe. Windows XP has very reasonable system requirements of a 233 MHz
> processor, 64 MB ram (128 MB+ highly recommended), etc. Now if your talking
> about the upcoming Windows Vista then your absolutly correct.
>
> The requirements for Linux depend greatly on which desktop environment you
> use.
> I'd say Windows XP has a simular requirements to a Linux distrobution with the
> Enlightenment, Fluxbox, or XFCE (maybe) desktops environments. But if your
> talking
> the latest Gnome or KDE the minimal system requirements are easily 800 MHz to
> 1 GHz and 256 to 512+ MB of memory, plus a fairly decent graphics card.
>
> Of course you can run KDE and Gnome on lesser systems, but you will pay the
> price of poorer performance and system responsiveness. On a 233 MHz system
> with
> 64 MB RAM, KDE or Gnome would probably be unbearably slow.
>
>
> Regards,
> Vincent
No it isn't. I've run Mandrake 10.0 with KDE & Gnome on a laptop like you
described and it runs very smoothly. Whereas running XP on the same computer is
slower and uses much more memory and HD space.
Jeremy
Edmund Burke: "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do
nothing."
30. Re: {OT} Interesting view on Windows/Linux+Wine
Jeremy Peterson wrote:
> No it isn't. I've run Mandrake 10.0 with KDE & Gnome on a laptop like you
> described and it runs very smoothly. Whereas running XP on the same computer
> is slower and uses much more memory and HD space.
Hi Jeramy,
Gnome and KDE are barely smooth on my 2.66 GHz, 1GB DDR SD-RAM, 128MB Radeon
9600 XT card. Perhaps I can tweak some stuff to improve things, but the fact they
run smooth on your older laptop is bull in my ears. Maybe you can share your
optimizing secrets.
Regards,
Vincent
31. Re: {OT} Interesting view on Windows/Linux+Wine
Uh, it's jerEmy, not jerAmy. Why do you keep using a instead of e? Notice I
said Mandrake 10.0, which is not the latest version. I didn't optimize anything,
so no secrets. Is your CPU a pentium or Amd, because it might run slower with
AMD's.
Jeremy
Edmund Burke: "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do
nothing."
32. Re: {OT} Interesting view on Windows/Linux+Wine
Jeremy Peterson wrote:
> Uh, it's jerEmy, not jerAmy. Why do you keep using a instead of e?
Sorry about that. I must have gotten used to using Jeramy or Jeremi. You see I
have two friends named Jeramy and Jeremi and greet them online by using one of
those.
> Notice I said Mandrake 10.0, which is not the latest version. I didn't
> optimize anything,
> so no secrets. Is your CPU a pentium or Amd, because it might run slower with
> AMD's.
Mandrake 10.0 used KDE 3.2 I believe. I think KDE 3.5 is basically the same
except for maybe QT and K bug fixes and minor speed improvements. It could be
that Mandrake came with an optimized default KDE desktop. There must be alot of
things I can do to improve speed if you can get smooth performance on a old
computer. But I have read online that it is recommended to have 384 to 512 MB of
RAM and a 800 MHz to 1 GHz processor to use the latest Gnome and KDE desktops at
decent speeds. But if it isn't great on my machine then something might be wrong.
I don't see why AMD chips would be slower on Linux but my computer is a Pentium
4 Northwood.
> Edmund Burke: "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to
> do nothing."
Regards,
Vincent
33. Re: {OT} Interesting view on Windows/Linux+Wine
Vincent wrote:
>
> Jeremy Peterson wrote:
>
> > Uh, it's jerEmy, not jerAmy. Why do you keep using a instead of e?
>
> Sorry about that. I must have gotten used to using Jeramy or Jeremi. You see
> I have two friends named Jeramy and Jeremi and greet them online by using one
> of those.
That's okay, just wondering.
> > Notice I said Mandrake 10.0, which is not the latest version. I didn't
> > optimize
> anything,</font></i>
> > so no secrets. Is your CPU a pentium or Amd, because it might run slower
> > with
> > AMD's.
>
> Mandrake 10.0 used KDE 3.2 I believe. I think KDE 3.5 is basically the same
> except for maybe QT and K bug fixes and minor speed improvements. It could be
> that Mandrake came with an optimized default KDE desktop. There must be alot
> of things I can do to improve speed if you can get smooth performance on a old
> computer. But I have read online that it is recommended to have 384 to 512 MB
> of RAM and a 800 MHz to 1 GHz processor to use the latest Gnome and KDE
> desktops
> at decent speeds. But if it isn't great on my machine then something might be
> wrong.
>
> I don't see why AMD chips would be slower on Linux but my computer is a
> Pentium
> 4 Northwood.
>
> Regards,
> Vincent
There's a certain balance of virtual and regular memory that you need to achieve
to get good performance. Maybe you set it so it uses a lot more swap space,
which could slow it down.
Jeremy
Edmund Burke: "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do
nothing."
34. Re: {OT} Interesting view on Windows/Linux+Wine
- Posted by Bernie Ryan <xotron at bluefrog.com>
Mar 10, 2006
-
Last edited Mar 11, 2006
Vincent wrote:
> Mandrake 10.0 used KDE 3.2 I believe. I think KDE 3.5 is basically the same
> except for maybe QT and K bug fixes and minor speed improvements. It could be
> that Mandrake came with an optimized default KDE desktop. There must be alot
> of things I can do to improve speed if you can get smooth performance on a old
> computer. But I have read online that it is recommended to have 384 to 512 MB
> of RAM and a 800 MHz to 1 GHz processor to use the latest Gnome and KDE
> desktops
> at decent speeds. But if it isn't great on my machine then something might be
> wrong.
>
> I don't see why AMD chips would be slower on Linux but my computer is a
> Pentium
> 4 Northwood.
>
> > Edmund Burke: "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to
> > do nothing."
>
>
> Regards,
> Vincent
Vincent:
The first thing I would do is see if you have the best or
latest video driver for your video-card from ATI WEB Site.
The one that came with your distro may have bugs.
Bernie
My files in archive:
WMOTOR, XMOTOR, W32ENGIN, MIXEDLIB, EU_ENGIN, WIN32ERU, WIN32API
Can be downloaded here:
http://www.rapideuphoria.com/cgi-bin/asearch.exu?dos=on&win=on&lnx=on&gen=on&keywords=bernie+ryan
35. Re: {OT} Interesting view on Windows/Linux+Wine
- Posted by Kenneth Rhodes <ken_rhodes30436 at yahoo.com>
Mar 10, 2006
-
Last edited Mar 11, 2006
Vincent wrote:
>
> Gnome and KDE are barely smooth on my 2.66 GHz, 1GB DDR SD-RAM, 128MB Radeon
> 9600 XT card. Perhaps I can tweak some stuff to improve things, but the fact
> they run smooth on your older laptop is bull in my ears. Maybe you can share
> your optimizing secrets.
Gnome and KDE ran smoothly for me, under Mandrake Linux, for years on
1.0 GHz equivalent AMD - I believe the cpu clockspeed was acutally
750 or 800MHz, with 256mb ram. I gave it to a friend who is now running
KDE smoothly under SuSE 9.3 with a 128MB Radeon 9200 I believe - bought
it at WalMart. I had to fiddle a bit to get Mandrake to recognize the
video card. I wonder if the video card driver might be part of your
subpar experience.
Bull in your ears? Hmmmm how does this sound.. the computer mentioned
above was actually my first IBM compatible computer - a 25MHz Gateway,
which came with 2MB of ram and a 80Mb hard drive. This was somewhere
arround '91, I believe. It had a version of Windows, I think Windows 2.0
came out a bit later. I upgraded the hardware regularly - memory, mother
board, video cards, sound cards, case. I saw a guy juggling George
Washington's hatchet on TV - the one he used to chop down the Cherry Tree.
He said the handle had been changed a number of times over the years
and the blade had been changed a number of times. Same hatchet though.
Regards,
Ken Rhodes
100% MicroSoft Free
SuSE Linux 10.0
No AddWare, SpyWare, or Viruses!
Life is Good
36. Re: {OT} Interesting view on Windows/Linux+Wine
- Posted by Vincent <darkvincentdude at yahoo.com>
Mar 10, 2006
-
Last edited Mar 11, 2006
Bernie Ryan wrote:
> The first thing I would do is see if you have the best or
> latest video driver for your video-card from ATI WEB Site.
> The one that came with your distro may have bugs.
Well I'm not using the Xorg open source ATI driver anymore. I'm using the
proprietary ATI fxglr driver packaged specifically for Ubuntu. Maybe its older
than the one ATI provides on their site?
> Bernie
Regards,
Vincent
37. Re: {OT} Interesting view on Windows/Linux+Wine
- Posted by menno <m.s.ter.haseborg at home.nl>
Mar 10, 2006
-
Last edited Mar 11, 2006
Well I ame running for more then two years the Puppy-Linux .
see http://www.goosee.com/puppy/
Its small about 60Mb ISO cd and you can run it on win98/XP .
see http://dotpups.de/menno/HOWTOlin2winEng.html
wine runs to , also Euphoria (and PEU) .
As graphics GUI try GraphApp the has a Euphoria wrapper and runs on Linux and
MSWindows without changes the program .
(Its in the Euphoria archive)
38. Re: {OT} Interesting view on Windows/Linux+Wine
- Posted by Vincent <darkvincentdude at yahoo.com>
Mar 13, 2006
-
Last edited Mar 14, 2006
Bernie,
I think your suggestion hit the nail on the head.
I'm now using the latest proprietary ATI fglrx drivers (8.23.7). Now 2D is more
smoother and 3D OpenGL graphics are even faster than with the older 3D
acceleration drivers.
It's going to be really neat to try out the new XGL X-server technology with the
upcoming Dapper Drake release in April.
Desktop Screenshot: http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/1466/screenshot8qi.png
Regards,
Vincent
