1. Newspaper column mentions Euphoria!
In a newspaper column "Tech Q&A" by Jim Coates, someone asks about how to
learn to write programs. Mr. Coates answers that he would previously have
suggested VB, but that it's harder now-a-days, due to M$ bloat, and first
suggests trying to get ahold of a outdated VB v6.0, and then he suggests a
"...far less robust but quite interesting programming language called
Euphoria for Windows.", and includes the web address for RDS! :)
Dan Moyer
2. Re: Newspaper column mentions Euphoria!
Hi Dan, you wrote:
> In a newspaper column "Tech Q&A" by Jim Coates,
A big nationwide newspaper? In which country?
> someone asks about how to
> learn to write programs. Mr. Coates answers that he would previously have
> suggested VB, but that it's harder now-a-days, due to M$ bloat, and first
> suggests trying to get ahold of a outdated VB v6.0, and then he suggests a
> "...far less robust but quite interesting programming language called
> Euphoria for Windows.", and includes the web address for RDS! :)
Nice, generally speaking! But "...far less robust" than Visual Basic???
> Dan Moyer
Best regards,
Juergen
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3. Re: Newspaper column mentions Euphoria!
Juergen,
Sorry, forgetting to think world-wide on this web :)
Paper is from SF Bay Area, CA, USA, his column is syndicated from Chicago.
You can check out his column at:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/technology/columnists/chi-jamescoates.columnis
t
look down for May 10 column (I guess it was reprinted in today's paper),
titled:
"Visual Basic opens door to programming" (I know, *poor* title!, doesn't
even reflect what he *said*!!),
although you have to register for free at the Chicago Tribune site to read
it, sigh.
Dan Moyer
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From: "Juergen Luethje" <j.lue at gmx.de>
To: "EUforum" <EUforum at topica.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 11:23 PM
Subject: Re: Newspaper column mentions Euphoria!
>
>
> Hi Dan, you wrote:
>
> > In a newspaper column "Tech Q&A" by Jim Coates,
>
> A big nationwide newspaper? In which country?
>
> > someone asks about how to
> > learn to write programs. Mr. Coates answers that he would previously
have
> > suggested VB, but that it's harder now-a-days, due to M$ bloat, and
first
> > suggests trying to get ahold of a outdated VB v6.0, and then he suggests
a
> > "...far less robust but quite interesting programming language called
> > Euphoria for Windows.", and includes the web address for RDS! :)
>
> Nice, generally speaking! But "...far less robust" than Visual Basic???
>
> > Dan Moyer
>
> Best regards,
> Juergen
>
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4. Re: Newspaper column mentions Euphoria!
Hello Ricardo:
Yes, you are right.
There are rare translations of the "robust" word into
Russian similar to -- rough, crude, gross, harsh gruff
or -- noisy, bustling, uproarious.
> Sure, if we translate "robust" to "bloated" ;)
> a
> > > "...far less robust but quite interesting programming language called
> > > Euphoria for Windows.", and includes the web address for RDS! :)
> > Nice, generally speaking! But "...far less robust" than Visual Basic???
> >
Regards,
Igor Kachan
kinz at peterlink.ru
5. Re: Newspaper column mentions Euphoria!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Al Getz" <Xaxo at aol.com>
To: "EUforum" <EUforum at topica.com>
Subject: RE: Newspaper column mentions Euphoria!
>
>
> Hello there,
>
>
> Igor Kachan wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hello Ricardo:
> >
> > Yes, you are right.
> >
> > There are rare translations of the "robust" word into
> > Russian similar to -- rough, crude, gross, harsh gruff
> > or -- noisy, bustling, uproarious.
> >
>
> "Robust" translates to "Speed", unless you want to use
> asm, which then wouldnt really be using the language.
>
> The 'Robustness' of a language depends on how well integrated
> it is with the next lower system.
This is interesting. I thought of the term "robust" in this context as being
"not delicate" or "hard to break", or even "can do lots of things without
being concerned about its ability".
> I think an improvement for Eu here would be constant
> sequences (of a fixed element type) that would be accessable
> by pointer or something like that. Probably a sequence
> of type ulong would be good enough to do a lot with.
> I guess it would be ok to call it an Array?
> That would of course add a new base type to Euphoria.
I agree, but this has nothing to do with robustness, in my opinion.
--
Derek
6. Re: Newspaper column mentions Euphoria!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Al Getz" <Xaxo at aol.com>
To: "EUforum" <EUforum at topica.com>
Subject: RE: Newspaper column mentions Euphoria!
>
>
> Derek Parnell wrote:
> >
> > > I think an improvement for Eu here would be constant
> > > sequences (of a fixed element type) that would be accessable
> > > by pointer or something like that. Probably a sequence
> > > of type ulong would be good enough to do a lot with.
> > > I guess it would be ok to call it an Array?
> > > That would of course add a new base type to Euphoria.
> >
> > I agree, but this has nothing to do with robustness, in my opinion.
> > --
> > Derek
> >
>
> Think about this for a minute....
>
> I said "I think an improvement for Eu here would be..."
>
> and you said
>
> "I agree, but this has nothing to do with robustness, in my opinion."
>
> So you are saying that you believe that:
>
> Improvements dont improve the robustness of something,
> even when they add functionality AND speed?
>
If by robustness I mean how hard it is to cause the program to fail, then
adding new datatypes may or may not increase a program's robustness. The use
of the new datatype is independant from the robustness of the application.
In other words, one cannot predict with certainty that a program's
robustness will increase if a new datatype is used.
This is what I meant. If you are thinking of 'robust' in a different way,
then your statement could be true. It's just that that's not what I meant. I
do not automatically associate increased functionality or increased speed as
a measure of robustness. But that's just me.
--
Derek
7. Re: Newspaper column mentions Euphoria!
Hi Al,
>
> Hello there,
>
> Igor Kachan wrote:
> >
> > Hello Ricardo:
> >
> > Yes, you are right.
> >
> > There are rare translations of the "robust" word into
> > Russian similar to -- rough, crude, gross, harsh, gruff
> > or -- noisy, bustling, uproarious.
>
> "Robust" translates to "Speed", unless you want to use
> asm, which then wouldnt really be using the language.
>
> The 'Robustness' of a language depends
> on how well integrated it is with the next
> lower system.
[snip]
There are 2 main senses of the "robust" word:
1. strong, tough, hard,
healthy, sound, wholesome,
strong, powerful.
2. sound (mind), lucid (mind), clear.
And rare (see above):
3. rough, crude, gross, harsh, gruff,
noisy, bustling, uproarious.
So, EU --> 1,2
VB --> 3
And both are robust!
Regards,
Igor Kachan
kinz at peterlink.ru
