1. Euphoria v.s. Python
- Posted by Arlie Codina <web.master at FLASHMAIL.COM>
Feb 22, 1999
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Last edited Feb 23, 1999
Hi,
I came across with another interpreted language called "Python".
The description reads that it is oop, it has versions available
in Mac, DOS, Win 3.1, Win 95, Linux, many flavors of Unix and others.
It has support for Sybase, Informix, Oracle. Also ODBC and SQL.
Has anyone tried Python? How is Euphoria better than Python?
Arlie Codina
2. Re: Euphoria v.s. Python
- Posted by Ken Furlong <stjohn15 at ENTER.NET>
Feb 22, 1999
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Last edited Feb 23, 1999
Can you give us the URL of where you found this language?
Thanks 
Ken Furlong
Arlie Codina wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I came across with another interpreted language called "Python".
> The description reads that it is oop, it has versions available
> in Mac, DOS, Win 3.1, Win 95, Linux, many flavors of Unix and others.
> It has support for Sybase, Informix, Oracle. Also ODBC and SQL.
>
> Has anyone tried Python? How is Euphoria better than Python?
>
> Arlie Codina
3. Re: Euphoria v.s. Python
- Posted by MilesDaniel <handmade at CITILINK.COM>
Feb 22, 1999
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Last edited Feb 23, 1999
Homepage is at:
http://www.python.org/
At 09:20 PM 2/22/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Can you give us the URL of where you found this language?
>
>Thanks
>Ken Furlong
>
>
>Arlie Codina wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I came across with another interpreted language called "Python".
>> The description reads that it is oop, it has versions available
>> in Mac, DOS, Win 3.1, Win 95, Linux, many flavors of Unix and others.
>> It has support for Sybase, Informix, Oracle. Also ODBC and SQL.
>>
>> Has anyone tried Python? How is Euphoria better than Python?
>>
>> Arlie Codina
>
>
4. Re: Euphoria v.s. Python
>
>Hi,
>
>I came across with another interpreted language called "Python".
>The description reads that it is oop, it has versions available
>in Mac, DOS, Win 3.1, Win 95, Linux, many flavors of Unix and others.
>It has support for Sybase, Informix, Oracle. Also ODBC and SQL.
>
>Has anyone tried Python? How is Euphoria better than Python?
I spent a day browsing through a book on Python once; I have never
returned to the language since. I then discovered Euphoria <happy
smile>.
It is impossible to compare Euphoria with Python, Euphoria is a
full-blown programming language and Python is really a scripting
language ( ala Perl ).
I don't remember much about Python other than it seemed incredibly
complex to do anything ( mind you, I think that of a lot of languages );
the OO aspects completely confused me 
5. Re: Euphoria v.s. Python
Arlie Codina wrote:
>>>>>>>
Hi,
I came across with another interpreted language called "Python".
The description reads that it is oop, it has versions available
in Mac, DOS, Win 3.1, Win 95, Linux, many flavors of Unix and others.
It has support for Sybase, Informix, Oracle. Also ODBC and SQL.
Has anyone tried Python? How is Euphoria better than Python?
<<<<<<<
Hi,
I ran across Python several months ago and have used it for
a few utilitity type programs for work. Python and Euphoria
are simular in many ways.
Both languages are interpreted.
Both are easy to learn.
Python has a flexible data type very simular to Eu's sequence type
called a tuple.
Both draw from their respective user communities to add new libraries
and features to the languages, with some very talented people making
contributions.
Both consume relatively large quantities of memory for certain things.
Here are the differences...
Eu is a type-checked language, Python is dynamically typed.
Python is object oriented, and IMO has implemented OOP very well...
There are a few quirks, but it isn't bogged down with the all the
(unnecessary) complexities that you encounter with C++'s OOP.
Python has (IMO) a better error handling scheme than Eu.
Python is cross-platform compatible (runs on linux etc.)
Python is open source, you can modify it yourself if you can get it to
compile.
Python come with far more utility progs than Eu, some quite
sophisticated,
many quite useful.
Python is a bit buggier than Eu. PythonWin (what I use mostly) has a
bit of a problem with memory leaks.
Python is slower, often much slower, than Eu.
In my opinion, one language can't really be said to be better than the
other.
Both are very good languages. Both have many strongpoints that may make
it
the better language for a particular task. Both are worth learning.
Regards,
Christopher D. Hickman
6. Re: Euphoria v.s. Python
Does Python use a dos extender if so what one ??
Bernie
7. Re: Euphoria v.s. Python
- Posted by JJProg at CYBERBURY.NET
Feb 23, 1999
EU>>
EU>>Hi,
EU>>
EU>>I came across with another interpreted language called "Python".
EU>>The description reads that it is oop, it has versions available
EU>>in Mac, DOS, Win 3.1, Win 95, Linux, many flavors of Unix and others.
EU>>It has support for Sybase, Informix, Oracle. Also ODBC and SQL.
EU>>
EU>>Has anyone tried Python? How is Euphoria better than Python?
I downloaded Python yesterday, learned most of it today, and I've
concluded that Python has a lot of neat features, but is severely
lacking in several areas.
Python has support for many things that would be very nice to have in
Euphoria, including:
complex numbers
packages
better sequence indexing (Python, for example, can automatically
make a slice go from index i to the end of the sequence like so:
seq[i:])
ability to assign a list of values to a list of values and other
neat features, for example:
a = b = 0
a, b = 0, 1
[a,b,c] = [1,2,3]
object-oriented programming (I haven't explored this yet, but I
know it's there; it's in the manual)
But Python also has many bad things about it, including:
no editor that comes with the language (just a scary interactive
interperter so you can either have it run a file or execute what you
type in, as you type it in, but no way to save it, and no syntax
hilighting, auto-indenting, auto-completion etc.)
very slow (sieve.ex gets thousands of sieves per second, while
my Python version gets about 75 on my P233MMX with 48MB RAM and Win98)
bad structure (functions and procedures both defined with def
keyword, there are several different types of sequences utilizing ()'s,
{}'s, and []'s, and no changing characters in a string like string[1] =
's'), no end statements. Here is my sieve.py program so you can see
examples of the bad structure:
import time
import sys
BATCH = 50
BENCH_TIME = 15
SIZE = 500
ON = 1
OFF = 0
def sieve():
count = 0
flags = []
for i in range(SIZE):
flags.append(ON)
for i in range(SIZE):
if flags[i] == ON:
prime = 2 * (i+1)
prime = prime + 1
start = prime + (i+1)
for k in range(start-1,SIZE,prime):
flags[k] = OFF
count = count + 1
return count
print "prime sieve benchmark ..."
cycles = 0
t = time.clock()
while time.clock() < t + BENCH_TIME:
for iter in range(BATCH):
if sieve() != 167:
print "whoops!"
sys.exit()
cycles = cycles + BATCH
t = time.clock() - t
print cycles/t," sieves per second"
Note: doesn't display the actual primes, but that doesn't change the
speed.
Then again, you can do neat things like:
a = complex(5,4) # (this is a Python comment) a = 5 + 4i (a complex
number)
for elements in sequence: # (no for i = 1 to x, but there are ways of
doing that... see my program above)
# do whatever
# the following is an example of a hashtable
languages = []
languages["Euphoria"] = "good"
languages["Basic"] = "bad"
languages["Python"] = "ugly"
Python also provides an enormous number of other neat things, too long
to explain them all here. In conclusion, Python is great for some
things, but terrible for others. The interactive interperter makes a
cool calculator...
Jeffrey Fielding
JJProg at cyberbury.net
http://members.tripod.com/~JJProg/
