1. note on AI
- Posted by =?iso-8859-1?B?7A8=?= <mwfch at MWEB.CO.ZA> Jan 31, 2001
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K , let me get this straight . Your gonna make an AI program that is going to learn . And after it learns , it will save its memory to file . And after 5 years , its gonna be very , very , very , very ( very,very,very) , very, and very smart ? Its gonna learn stuff it does not no is bad ? Kill , hack and destroy , flood mail boxes , sin , write emails , make its own programs , surf the web , and even CHAT !?!? and then , it becomes a computer god . Infecting all the PC , and just keep destroying . Then it programes its own army of AI programes . unlimeted power , started by a small group of programers just doin it for a hobby . The end of the world ........ o, man , i need some sleep ...... long long sleep ..... Read ya later ..... but for now , sleep . long sleep . Ferdinand Greyling(Duke Fungus) ____________________________________________________________ T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
2. Re: note on AI
- Posted by Kat <gertie at PELL.NET> Jan 31, 2001
- 749 views
On 31 Jan 2001, at 11:18, ì wrote: > K , let me get this straight . Your gonna make an AI program that is going > to learn . And after it learns , it will save its memory to file . And after > 5 years , its gonna be very , very , very , very ( very,very,very) , very, > and very smart ? Well, i decided to pop in and ask Tiggr is she is smart yet..... <kat> hi Tiggr <[TiggrBot]> hie kat! How are you doing? <kat> i'm doing good <[TiggrBot]> that's nice to hear! :) <kat> how areyou, tiggr? <[TiggrBot]> sorry kat, I don't know. <kat> oh <kat> are you a smart bot, tiggr? <[TiggrBot]> yes, i'm snart! :-> * [TiggrBot] holds up a memory chip to show,, umm,, i forgot... * [TiggrBot] hurrily plugs it back in. :o) <kat> lol <[TiggrBot]> hehehehehe B-] > Its gonna learn stuff it does not no is bad ? Kill , hack > and destroy , flood mail boxes , sin , write emails , make its own programs > , surf the web , and even CHAT !?!? and then , it becomes a computer god . > Infecting all the PC , and just keep destroying . Why would it destroy *anything*??? You seem to be thinking the Ai would be limited by the same problem you have. (feminist opinions deleted) >Then it programes its own > army of AI programes . unlimeted power , started by a small group of > programers just doin it for a hobby . The end of the world ........ o, man , > i need some sleep ...... long long sleep ..... A hobby and someone intelligent to talk to. Kat ____________________________________________________________ T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
3. Re: note on AI
- Posted by Mike The Spike <mtsreborn at yahoo.com> Jan 31, 2001
- 635 views
Ok Ok Allright... I haven't commented on this whole AI discussion eventhough I am an AI programmer by statute, but I will now... The are ways to do what yall describe, that are much, much more simple than you might think. What you need to do 'Imparatic AI', or Learning AI, doesn't have anything to do with dynamic code generation. That's what, (sorry Kitty!), lamers that don't know Jack Shit nor John Diddly Squat about AI think they should do. Basically, to implement dynamic learning AI, you don't have to dynamically rewrite your program to be smarter. You should set up an infinite state machine (well... infinite untill memory is used up). And dynamically generate new states allow with specifiers that describe the way that state is handled. Then a single 'learning' algorithm reads new state's specification and handles a state the way it is specified. That's about it. No need for l33t H4x0r dynacode support, just a smart algorithm. But the reality is, that by implementing AI using a learning mechanism, isn't going to make for a very smart AI. You need to combine an AI that understands a basic set of input *and* is able to learn new stuff. Otherwise you will have an AI about as smart as a Tamagotchi, that you'd have to teach new stuff *you* allready know for about a month before it even resembles something intelligent. The best way to implement a super-inteligent learning AI, is an AI client that frequently downloads new code for itself from the net. Like an extra set of words it understands or a plugin that allows it to understand a new language. The sam way a Virus Scanner downloads new virus definition files to learn how to detect the latest viruses out there. Mike The Spike --- ì <mwfch at MWEB.CO.ZA> wrote: > K , let me get this straight . Your gonna make an AI > program that is going > to learn . And after it learns , it will save its > memory to file . And after > 5 years , its gonna be very , very , very , very ( > very,very,very) , very, > and very smart ? Its gonna learn stuff it does not > no is bad ? Kill , hack > and destroy , flood mail boxes , sin , write emails > , make its own programs > , surf the web , and even CHAT !?!? and then , it > becomes a computer god . > Infecting all the PC , and just keep destroying . > Then it programes its own > army of AI programes . unlimeted power , started by > a small group of > programers just doin it for a hobby . The end of the > world ........ o, man , > i need some sleep ...... long long sleep ..... > > Read ya later ..... but for now , sleep . long sleep > . > Ferdinand Greyling(Duke Fungus) > > ____________________________________________________________ > T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. > Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You > Choose. > http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01 > __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ____________________________________________________________ T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
4. Re: note on AI
- Posted by Mike The Spike <mtsreborn at yahoo.com> Jan 31, 2001
- 610 views
--- ì <mwfch at MWEB.CO.ZA> wrote: >Kill , hack > and destroy , flood mail boxes , sin , write emails > , make its own programs > , surf the web , and even CHAT !?!? and then , it > becomes a computer god . > Infecting all the PC , and just keep destroying . > Then it programes its own > army of AI programes . unlimeted power , started by > a small group of > programers just doin it for a hobby . The end of the > world ........ o, man , > i need some sleep ...... long long sleep ..... You do know that AI can never be conscious, right? Not untill we figure out how the human mind implements consciousnes. Allthough you can easily code an AI entity that passes the Turing test and so is classified as 'HUMAN', it will never make decisions based on it's own, it can only pick (using code by the programmer) wich option to choose out of a long list of options. The programmer actually puts a bit of his own mind into the AI he codes... Therefore you will *never* buy MIKE when it is released.( Meta Inteligent Kinetic Entity ). BTW, MIKE is my own li'll AI prog coded in ASM, as an alternative to documentation files that come with programs. MIKE will teach you how to operate a program, and you can ask it to tell you how to do stuff. Mike The Spike > Read ya later ..... but for now , sleep . long sleep > . > Ferdinand Greyling(Duke Fungus) > > ____________________________________________________________ > T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. > Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You > Choose. > http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01 > __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ____________________________________________________________ T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
5. Re: note on AI
- Posted by gertie at PELL.NET Jan 31, 2001
- 626 views
On 31 Jan 2001, at 11:54, Mike The Spike wrote: > Ok Ok Allright... > I haven't commented on this whole AI discussion > eventhough I am an AI programmer by statute, but I > will now... By statute? > The are ways to do what yall describe, that are much, > much more simple than you might think. > What you need to do 'Imparatic AI', or Learning AI, > doesn't have anything to do with dynamic code > generation. It does if you want the Ai to be able to deal with things you didn't think of before. Take walking for instance. Program in how to walk across your living room. No problem. Then there are these instances of walking: up a mountain, across a ceiling while carrying a table (do not spill the milk in the saucer), down a tree, with broken mechanical systems, underwater on a spinning oil tanker propeller while doing maintenance, across the International Space station with a new jetpack, carrying a cubic yard of water at 60mph thru the forest to fight a forest fire, etc.. > That's what, (sorry Kitty!), lamers that don't know > Jack Shit nor John Diddly Squat about AI think they > should do. People who have not had the time to consider these things in depth usually use the old ways. > Basically, to implement dynamic learning AI, > you don't have to dynamically rewrite your program to > be smarter. > You should set up an infinite state machine (well... > infinite untill memory is used up). Or an off-program interpreter, or a dos driver in the dos redirector interrrupt,, or heck, executing vars with the existing interpreter, so it's easier to get at the main program's variables. > And dynamically generate new states allow with > specifiers that describe the way that state is > handled. But executing a variable, or instituting a new state machine, or changing the weights in a neural net,, pretty much the same thing. It's like what i said about dynamically plugging in new TSRs in dos. <shrug> > Then a single 'learning' algorithm reads new state's > specification and handles a state the way it is > specified. > That's about it. > No need for l33t H4x0r dynacode support, just a smart > algorithm. > > But the reality is, that by implementing AI using a > learning mechanism, isn't going to make for a very > smart AI. While this approach doesn't make for smart humans, it should work fine for any Ai, given the access to the net and the speed of several puters, accessing terabytes of memory online/onharddrive. > You need to combine an AI that understands a basic set > of input *and* is able to learn new stuff. > Otherwise you will have an AI about as smart as a > Tamagotchi, that you'd have to teach new stuff *you* > allready know for about a month before it even > resembles something intelligent. A month? then why has millions of dollars and centuries of people-hours not done it yet? > The best way to implement a super-inteligent learning > AI, is an AI client that frequently downloads new code > for itself from the net. Like an extra set of words it > understands or a plugin that allows it to understand a > new language. Ah, back to exec'ing new code. And plugging it into the existing program too. Sounds like what i said last week. Kat ____________________________________________________________ T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
6. Re: note on AI
- Posted by abindoff at ONE.NET.AU Jan 31, 2001
- 632 views
>K , let me get this straight . Your gonna make an AI program that is going >to learn . And after it learns , it will save its memory to file . And after >5 years , its gonna be very , very , very , very ( very,very,very) , very, >and very smart ? Its gonna learn stuff it does not no is bad ? Kill , hack >and destroy , flood mail boxes , sin , write emails , make its own programs >, surf the web , and even CHAT !?!? and then , it becomes a computer god . >Infecting all the PC , and just keep destroying . Then it programes its own >army of AI programes . unlimeted power , started by a small group of >programers just doin it for a hobby . The end of the world ........ o, man , >i need some sleep ...... long long sleep ..... > >Read ya later ..... but for now , sleep . long sleep . >Ferdinand Greyling(Duke Fungus) Yes.
7. Re: note on AI
- Posted by Graeme <graemeburke at CROSSWINDS.NET> Feb 01, 2001
- 613 views
At 12:02 31/01/01 -0800, You wrote: >You do know that AI can never be conscious, right? >Not untill we figure out how the human mind implements >consciousnes. You can't 'figure out' consciousness and program it, the program has to work it out for itself - That's the whole gig. Graeme.