1. goodbye
Dear Euphorians,
I am appalled. Appalled, sad and disgusted. Not by the behavior of a teenage
thug - I have been around long enough to know foul mouthed louts are not
confined just to the terraces of soccer stadiums - but by your collective
silence.
I am reluctant to leave. I enjoyed my involvement with Euphoria, sharing my
code, helping where I could, and in return witnessing its growing popularity
over the last 15 months. I even enjoyed the occasional scrap with Michael
Packard and the Reaper, but I simply cannot tolerate, even comprehend your
inaction when faced with a bigoted twit that pollutes your space and insults
you, your language and your intelligence.
I hope I'll meet at least some of you somewhere else. Jiri
2. Re: goodbye
BABOR, JIRI wrote:
> I am appalled. Appalled, sad and disgusted. Not by the behavior of a teenage
> thug - I have been around long enough to know foul mouthed louts are not
> confined just to the terraces of soccer stadiums - but by your collective
> silence.
I, for one, am only silent because I know everytime I say something
meaningful, it just gets thrown around and taken the wrong way. Most
everybody here knows more about programming Euphoria than I do, so I
just sit back and enjoy the chit-chat, try and get something out of it,
and add what I can from my 10+ years of experience.
> I am reluctant to leave. I enjoyed my involvement with Euphoria, sharing my
> code, helping where I could, and in return witnessing its growing popularity
> over the last 15 months. I even enjoyed the occasional scrap with Michael
> Packard and the Reaper, but I simply cannot tolerate, even comprehend your
> inaction when faced with a bigoted twit that pollutes your space and insults
> you, your language and your intelligence.
Nobody ever said you had to read it. I don't.
> I hope I'll meet at least some of you somewhere else. Jiri
Very sad. You'll be missed, Jiri, I'm sure. I've seen the kind of help
you've given to people. Who knows if you'll even get this message, I'm
almost sure you've unsubscribed by now, but I have to try anyway.
--
- MiD ( mrunner at webaccess.net / http://rmi.net/~kaliste/ )
3. Re: goodbye
> Dear Euphorians,
>
> I am appalled. Appalled, sad and disgusted. Not by the behavior of a teenage
> thug - I have been around long enough to know foul mouthed louts are not
> confined just to the terraces of soccer stadiums - but by your collective
> silence.
Not even of my behavior?? But because of their silence??
Lame excusse..
> I am reluctant to leave. I enjoyed my involvement with Euphoria, sharing my
> code, helping where I could, and in return witnessing its growing popularity
> over the last 15 months. I even enjoyed the occasional scrap with Michael
> Packard and the Reaper, but I simply cannot tolerate, even comprehend your
> inaction when faced with a bigoted twit that pollutes your space and insults
> you, your language and your intelligence.
And you, not to forget...
> I hope I'll meet at least some of you somewhere else. Jiri
Why not stay on the list, first you insult me and then you quit when
you get a respons like the one you got, you were out to ruin me, I
have not ruin you yet, why give up?? It could have been a beautifull
fight..
And your big enough to fight little kids like me, aren't you...
Sorry if I hurt your feelings, but eh.. who started this???
Ralf Nieuwenhuijsen
nieuwen at xs4all.nl
4. Re: goodbye
- Posted by Joseph Martin <jam at MAILHUB.EXIS.NET>
Jun 08, 1997
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Last edited Jun 09, 1997
I am appalled also. Why must everyone pick fights, retaliate, and get
even angrier. We are now losing a good programmer and almost lost
Packard. What is going on?
~~>Joseph Martin
~~>E-mail: joe at cyber-wizard.com
~~>URL: http://users.exis.net/~jam/
5. Re: goodbye
- Posted by Daniel Berstein <architek at GEOCITIES.COM>
Jun 08, 1997
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Last edited Jun 09, 1997
Ralf Nieuwenhuijsen wrote:
> Not even of my behavior?? But because of their silence??
> Lame excusse..
Just shut up Ralf!
Jiri has been a great contribution to this list, and the whole Euphoria
comunity... you're young and want to learn and talk, so please be more
respectful to other people. This listserver is about Euphoria
programming and not some kind of kid play. Got it?!
--
Regards,
Daniel Berstein
architek at geocities.com
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Heights/9316
6. Re: goodbye
- Posted by Michael Packard <lgp at EXO.COM>
Jun 08, 1997
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Last edited Jun 09, 1997
On Sun, 8 Jun 1997, Joseph Martin wrote:
> We are now losing a good programmer and almost lost
> Packard.
I'm not sure how I should feel about having that distinction, there's
"good programmers" then there's me. gee, thanx. =)
>What is going on?
We're degenerating into a mob.
Michael Packard
Lord Generic Productions
lgp at exo.com http://exo.com/~lgp
A Crash Course in Game Design and Production
http://exo.com/~lgp/euphoria
7. goodbye
Dear Jiri,
I hope you will reconsider your decision to leave the euphoria list.
Your contribution have been one of the most appreciate. I don't understand
why you want to leave the group because of a few arrogant teenagers, (
Teenagers are almost always arrogant). The last time I check there was 193
recipients on the list. Don't throw the whole basket for a few rotten apples.
This world is far from perfect, during our life we are inevitably
confronted to people we rather never met, but I don't see why we should
leave the floor because of them.
I keep silent when I read messages I don't like because I think that
answering will only fuel an endless sterile exchange of insult. It take at
least 2 opponents to start a fight.
I never appreciated Ralf or Reaper arrogance and impolite tone but I
will never leave the list because of them even if they would flame me every day.
This is not their list, this is euphoria community list and many peoples
made valuable contributions to this list (including you). They are the ones
who count and the ones I would stay for.
In spite of their arrogance an impoliteness Ralf and Reaper have made
contribution to this group too. There is no good without bad. If we want the
good we have to take the bad to.
Regards,
Jacques Deschenes
Baie-Comeau, Quebec
Canada
desja at quebectel.com
8. Re: goodbye
YOU freaks, stop fighting and be nice! :)
Much new stuff is being developed, and all that everyone can do is
argue! If you wand to fight, then how 'bout you play deathmatch quake to
settle your differences.
--Augorian - Eternal Shaddow;
9. Re: goodbye
> >What is going on?
>
> We're degenerating into a mob.
You're all right, sorry, if Jiri is still on the list stay, if not
could someone ask him to come back, he did started it, but by keep
calling that nobody benefits..
Jiri i would like to sort this out, please or just forget about it,
but no insulting remarks from both sides, ok??
Ralf Nieuwenhuijsen
nieuwen at xs4all.nl
10. Re: goodbye
>I don't understand why you want to leave the group because of a few
arrogant teenagers, >(Teenagers are almost always arrogant).
Hey, I resent that! ;)
Scott
"The noblest work of God? Man. Who found it out? Man." -Mark Twain
11. Re: goodbye
> I'm not sure how I should feel about having that distinction, there's
> "good programmers" then there's me. gee, thanx. =)
Or you could look at it this way: There's good programmers and then
there's Packard, better than mere "good". =).
~~>Joseph Martin
~~>E-mail: joe at cyber-wizard.com
~~>URL: http://users.exis.net/~jam/
12. Re: goodbye
- Posted by Ralf Nieuwenhuijsen <nieuwen at POP.XS4ALL.NL>
Jun 09, 1997
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Last edited Jun 10, 1997
> I keep silent when I read messages I don't like because I think that
> answering will only fuel an endless sterile exchange of insult. It take at
> least 2 opponents to start a fight.
Well, you are right about this, i did react too mad, but i just
can't take insults, if Jiri insulted me, he could know this would
happen, he kind of asked for it, and you two might consider to give
me more constructive critism on my mails, critism which i can learn
from instead of insults!!
Critism like Jiri's isn't ok, but keeping your mouth shout isn't
needed too, tell me what your problem is, without insults and we'll
discuss and if your arguments are better than mine, i'll promise you
my mails will change...
> In spite of their arrogance an impoliteness Ralf and Reaper have made
> contribution to this group too. There is no good without bad. If we want th
e
> good we have to take the bad to.
What has the reaper done?? He i am getting jalous here, you should
be mad at me only, not at him, he didn't do anything to gain it, why
should I work, while he gets it without even having to do a thing,
please be mad at me only, i feel betrayed...
Because my English isn't too great some messages or joke might come
to you or anyone else unfriendly, or impolite, but i never intended
to sound like that, why don't people take that in consideration,
my mails would be looking a lot nicer in Dutch, but it wouldn't help
anyone, would it?
And posting a message can never be arrogant, but shows respect, well
that's my opinion, cause i want to learn Euphoria more with everybody
on the list, i never insulted anyone else except Jiri to my
knowledge.
(If someone feels like i have insulted him, your miss interpreted my
bad english)
And the only reason i insulted Jiri was pay-back for his insult on
me and was a bit childish, but that does not make all teeners on this
list best, leave the Reaper out of it, thinking that you can
understand people's behaviour from their age, sex, county is
short-headed.
PS The thing about me jalous on the Reaper is a friendly joke, if
you thought otherwise here's a good example of miss-interpretating of
MY bad english. (Maybe yours too)
Ralf Nieuwenhuijsen
nieuwen at xs4all.nl
Ralf Nieuwenhuijsen
nieuwen at xs4all.nl
13. Re: goodbye
> PS The thing about me jalous on the Reaper is a friendly joke, if
>you thought otherwise here's a good example of miss-interpretating of
>MY bad english. (Maybe yours too)
>Ralf Nieuwenhuijsen
>nieuwen at xs4all.nl
Why isn't the Reaper reacting? I think he's got wise. Cheers to you, Jami=
e!
But we did have some good jokes in the past, didn't we?
After all, I'm glad the atmosphere in general seems to be cleared.
Let me finish this with a quote from the Beatles:
I don't know why you say goodbye, I say hello!
Ad
14. Re: goodbye
At 12:14 AM 6/9/97 -0400, you wrote:
>I don't understand why you want to leave the group because of a few
arrogant >teenagers, (Teenagers are almost always arrogant).
Picking on all teenagers because of the actions of me and Ralf is pretty
dumb. You do realize this is how... oh, never mind. I know you meant well,
but the message didn't come across very well.
> I never appreciated Ralf or Reaper arrogance and impolite tone but I
>will never leave the list because of them even if they would flame me every
>day.
I wasn't going to have anything to do with this Ralf discussion, but
I should have known sooner or later my name would be dragged into it. If
you're wondering what this is about, Ralf, when I first joined on this list
Michael Packard was in his "if I don't like your question or program I going
to bite of your head" phase. He jumped on me for some question I asked, I
retaliated by letting my wild sense of humour out on him (trust me, it's
dangerous. i have to keep it locked in my closet). Anyways, the joke got old
and people started complaining. So both me and Packard decided it was time
to stop.
Let us not forget it is not just us teenagers that start the flame.
Packard put more people out of the list than I did (1-0, as far as I know),
and it often the older guys who start the thing in the first place. I'm not
condoning Ralf's foul 
language and my old way of doing things, both were
not necessary. As Ad Rienks kindly pointed out, I do not make these comments
(well, not as much) anymore. However, I do not act this way because I feel
"better" than my peers because of my programming ability. Quite the
opposite, actually. I keep my programming a secret because it is considered
"nerdy" (for lack of a better word), and I am probably one of maybe three
people who program in their teens in my county.
Could the following please respond to me in private E-mail:
Jacques: I don't like seeing you disliking me. I remember a while back you
were insulting my programming. I just want to know what a did
against you.
Ralf: Please tell me what "jalous" is. Please! Is it english?
OK! NOW LET'S GET BACK TO THE PROGRAMMING! YES!
Here's my question:
Does anyone know how to change the shape and the size of the mouse in
320*200 mode (or mode 19). I do no understant mousecur.e
Thanks for reading!
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15. Re: goodbye
> Ralf: Please tell me what "jalous" is. Please! Is it english?
I wrote it wrong that's for sure, i ment the word that says you want
something someone else does have and you don't, you want it (too),
that's what i ment with the word....
(Hope my explenation is better)
(For some strange reason i have a 7 for English, do you get it??)
(PS The higest mark on a dutch school = 10, the lowest 1)
(Anything under 5.5 is not done enough, any thing above is)
(A 7 is thus pretty ok, however my English isn't)
Ralf Nieuwenhuijsen
nieuwen at xs4all.nl
