1. Editor Developers.....Do Something
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--To: any one concerned <euforum at topica.com>
--Subject: Editor Developers.....Do Something
--Date: Mon, 25 March, 2002.
--From: Jordah Ferguson <jorfergie03 at yahoo.com>
--Priority: 3
--Saved by: Jordah Ferguson (Acc. Name: jordah ferguson )
Hi all,
This is a notice and humble request to all programmers out there
developing windows editors. PLEASE,
I REPEAT PLEASE....Add Autosave option to your editors in their next
releases. Lazy freaks like me who
get buried in programming and don't usually save, get really frustrated
when all our work is lost due to power
failure. This is a humble requset please some one release an editor with
autosave.
Ughh!!! Sorry if i'm not being polite enough, i have just lost a full
include file, i was creating for parsing downloaded mail
for my cirrus project.
I am buying Euphoria full version, today and i'm contributing my first
three dollars to a person who creates an editor
with autosave.
jordah ferguson
jorfergie03 at yahoo.com
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2. Re: Editor Developers.....Do Something
On 25 Mar 2002, at 12:54, jordah ferguson wrote:
<snip>
> This is a notice and humble request to all programmers out there
> developing windows editors. PLEASE,
> I REPEAT PLEASE....Add Autosave option to your editors in their next
> releases. Lazy freaks like me who
> get buried in programming and don't usually save, get really frustrated
> when all our work is lost due to power
> failure.
<snip>
You should REALLY REALLY use a UPS with a surge protector in it. Eu is
useless to you if the hardware gets fried. They are in the ballpark of
$100USD, and are the cheapest, most cost effective insurance you can
have. They have saved my electronics and my programming code WAY too
many times to count. Proper computer use is to plug it into a UPS when you
get the computer home, install a firewall, and *only then* do you go online.
Besides, it makes the neighbors wonder about you when the power for the
whole county goes out, and your sterio didn't skip a note. 
And save things when you make a significant or difficult or Eureka! change to
any code. Mycode1.e, mycode2.e, mycode3.e, etc.
Kat
3. Re: Editor Developers.....Do Something
- Posted by tone.skoda at siol.net
Mar 25, 2002
That's why I keep pressing CTRL+s. Get used to it.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kat" <gertie at PELL.NET>
To: "EUforum" <EUforum at topica.com>
Subject: Re: Editor Developers.....Do Something
>
> On 25 Mar 2002, at 12:54, jordah ferguson wrote:
> <snip>
>
> > This is a notice and humble request to all programmers out there
> > developing windows editors. PLEASE,
> > I REPEAT PLEASE....Add Autosave option to your editors in their next
> > releases. Lazy freaks like me who
> > get buried in programming and don't usually save, get really frustrated
> > when all our work is lost due to power
> > failure.
>
> <snip>
>
> You should REALLY REALLY use a UPS with a surge protector in it. Eu is
> useless to you if the hardware gets fried. They are in the ballpark of
> $100USD, and are the cheapest, most cost effective insurance you can
> have. They have saved my electronics and my programming code WAY too
> many times to count. Proper computer use is to plug it into a UPS when you
> get the computer home, install a firewall, and *only then* do you go
online.
>
> Besides, it makes the neighbors wonder about you when the power for the
> whole county goes out, and your sterio didn't skip a note.
>
> And save things when you make a significant or difficult or Eureka! change
to
> any code. Mycode1.e, mycode2.e, mycode3.e, etc.
>
> Kat
>
>
>
>
4. Re: Editor Developers.....Do Something
On 25 Mar 2002, at 21:55, tone.skoda at siol.net wrote:
>
> That's why I keep pressing CTRL+s. Get used to it.
You still need a UPS with surge protection. Getting a power failure in the
middle of a save can trash the disk. Especially backup-and-save operations,
when the drive may still have the physical files open in cache, not on the
platters, so you'll lose the old file and the new one. Or the OS may have it in
swap space. Getting power loss during a defrag is even worse. I save often
too, my hds never get a chance to power down. Like Chris said, some UPSs
come with a program for windows that will send a save-and-quit msg to all
open apps, and then tell windows itself to shut down. I don't have that
installed, but then i was up 10hrs once during a power outage. Car battery,
get used to it.
Maybe it's the olde timers who stress this the most, because long ago in the
days of the early computers (15 yrs ago), saving a 1 meg file might take a
few minutes, greater chance of crashes happening. But back then the OSs
were sturdier too.
Kat
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kat" <gertie at PELL.NET>
> To: "EUforum" <EUforum at topica.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 5:43 PM
> Subject: Re: Editor Developers.....Do Something
>
>
> > On 25 Mar 2002, at 12:54, jordah ferguson wrote:
> > <snip>
> >
> > > This is a notice and humble request to all programmers out there
> > > developing windows editors. PLEASE,
> > > I REPEAT PLEASE....Add Autosave option to your editors in their next
> > > releases. Lazy freaks like me who
> > > get buried in programming and don't usually save, get really frustrated
> > > when
> > > all our work is lost due to power failure.
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > You should REALLY REALLY use a UPS with a surge protector in it. Eu is
> > useless to you if the hardware gets fried. They are in the ballpark of
> > $100USD, and are the cheapest, most cost effective insurance you can
> > have. They have saved my electronics and my programming code WAY too
> > many times to count. Proper computer use is to plug it into a UPS when you
> > get
> > the computer home, install a firewall, and *only then* do you go
> online.
> >
> > Besides, it makes the neighbors wonder about you when the power for the
> > whole county goes out, and your sterio didn't skip a note.
> >
> > And save things when you make a significant or difficult or Eureka! change
> to
> > any code. Mycode1.e, mycode2.e, mycode3.e, etc.
> >
> > Kat
> >
> >
>
>
>
5. Re: Editor Developers.....Do Something
I'm always on the lookout for a UPS for the exact reasons that Kat
mentions. I'm hoping to trip over a "spare one" in my travels - trouble is
they are rather heavy - you can't really tuck one under your coat if you
see what I mean 
I have a surge protector on the mains socket for my main computer to try
and iron out spikes. That said in major towns and cities in the UK the
electricity supply is pretty stable. Maybe because we run at 240 volts
instead of 110/120? I couldn't comment.
As for backups I have an old Pentium 100 running Linux RedHat 5.1 with ftp
access setup. On my Windows machine I have a little BAT file that builds
ZIP files of my important data/document directories and then ftp's these
ZIP's to the Linux box.
If you have a second computer (no matter how "slow") use it to backup your
data/document directories from your main computer on a regular basis.
Even better if you have a CD-RW use that for backups and store them at a
friends house.
Failing that I once heard (although it's probably an urban myth) that once
upon a time Linus Torvalds backed up his "important" files by FTP'ing them
to a public FTP server! If you have web space available from your ISP then
this could be another method of "backup" but I wouldn't rely on it solely.
Then again if your currently doing no backups at all then it would be
better than nothing.
In desparation you could resort to floppy disks but make two copies.
Floppies don't like dust or fluctuations in heat/humidity and do go bad.
Here endeth the backup lesson
Regards,
Andy Cranston.
At 15:44 25/03/02 -0600, you wrote:
>
>On 25 Mar 2002, at 21:55, tone.skoda at siol.net wrote:
>
>>
>> That's why I keep pressing CTRL+s. Get used to it.
>
>You still need a UPS with surge protection. Getting a power failure in the
>middle of a save can trash the disk. Especially backup-and-save operations,
>when the drive may still have the physical files open in cache, not on the
>platters, so you'll lose the old file and the new one. Or the OS may have
it in
>swap space. Getting power loss during a defrag is even worse. I save often
>too, my hds never get a chance to power down. Like Chris said, some UPSs
>come with a program for windows that will send a save-and-quit msg to all
>open apps, and then tell windows itself to shut down. I don't have that
>installed, but then i was up 10hrs once during a power outage. Car battery,
>get used to it.
>
>Maybe it's the olde timers who stress this the most, because long ago in the
>days of the early computers (15 yrs ago), saving a 1 meg file might take a
>few minutes, greater chance of crashes happening. But back then the OSs
>were sturdier too.
>
>Kat
>
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Kat" <gertie at PELL.NET>
>> To: "EUforum" <EUforum at topica.com>
>> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 5:43 PM
>> Subject: Re: Editor Developers.....Do Something
>>
>>
>> > On 25 Mar 2002, at 12:54, jordah ferguson wrote:
>> > <snip>
>> >
>> > > This is a notice and humble request to all programmers out there
>> > > developing windows editors. PLEASE,
>> > > I REPEAT PLEASE....Add Autosave option to your editors in their next
>> > > releases. Lazy freaks like me who
>> > > get buried in programming and don't usually save, get really
frustrated when
>> > > all our work is lost due to power failure.
>> >
>> > <snip>
>> >
>> > You should REALLY REALLY use a UPS with a surge protector in it. Eu is
>> > useless to you if the hardware gets fried. They are in the ballpark of
>> > $100USD, and are the cheapest, most cost effective insurance you can
>> > have. They have saved my electronics and my programming code WAY too
>> > many times to count. Proper computer use is to plug it into a UPS when
you get
>> > the computer home, install a firewall, and *only then* do you go
>> online.
>> >
>> > Besides, it makes the neighbors wonder about you when the power for the
>> > whole county goes out, and your sterio didn't skip a note.
>> >
>> > And save things when you make a significant or difficult or Eureka!
change
>> to
>> > any code. Mycode1.e, mycode2.e, mycode3.e, etc.
>> >
>> > Kat
>> >
>> >
>
>
>
6. Re: Editor Developers.....Do Something
I wholeheartedly agreed that a good UPS makes damn good sense.
I however suffer far more from Mr Gates version of a stable operating
system that Eastern Electricity's occasional spikes...
At the moment I am fiddling with an editor,
(Don't hold your breath, June/July is looking possible, all I'll say),
with reservations about this topic eloquently just voiced by Chris:
>I don't think it's good programming practice to rely on an autosave
>feature. I did try using it before, but found that it would save at
>inopportune times, sometimes overwriting work that I wasn't fully
>sure I wanted to be gone.
Absolutely agreed.
>A GOOD option to have would be an autosave feature that will only save
>if you haven't, within a set amout of time. EG. if you don't save within
>the half hour, autosave. Autosave should also save to a unique filename,
>not overwrite the original.
Hmmm. What name/what recovery? If you are editing fred.txt & after 35
minutes, the PC crashes, who/what knows what ~EMF037B.TMP holds after
you have rebooted?
I strongly believe you should have to hunt down the original, rather
than hunt down the most recent changes.
Thoughts on that please.
(full revision history is not practical just yet, sorry!)
Also, when/if you press F5 to run the application in a trial, can I
assume you are happy to have it saved?
(You can still undo the last 100 changes, provided the app doesn't
crash the PC, in which case tough)
Pete
7. Re: Editor Developers.....Do Something
>Even better if you have a CD-RW use that for backups
I shudder to think of how much stuff I "might" need that I *MOVED*
onto a cd-rw & later found it was toaster fodder. Just be careful.
I guess I'm lucky to be just savvy enuf not to have lost anything
important, but the point is worth making. Copy it, check, THEN delete.
You'll prolly get much better mileage with a newer CD-RW than my old
thing. Mine sometimes makes a coaster one out of five, but normally
better than one in 10 (using the 79p media)
Pete
8. Re: Editor Developers.....Do Something
[about Autosave]
I click on Save usually every few seconds. I'm paranoid.
Jerry Story
