1. EDS Editor?
How come nobody's made a EUPHORIA database editor yet? Is it that
difficult?!
(You know, where you can open up the database and make changes to it then
close it again.)
2. Re: EDS Editor?
- Posted by tone.skoda at siol.net
Feb 06, 2002
It wouldn't be so hard to add edit functionality to Edsgui.
I have already done plan how it would be done back then. (You have to plan
things else it won't be good.)
For example: you would be able to add new records in two ways:
Type euphoria sequence with curly braces in edit box or right click on
existing tree item and add data under it.
More difficult would be to add undo/redo, but I have done plan how that
would be done also.
I don't know if I will ever do it though. Maybe when I have some time.
There is one other point: viewer is far more needed/usefull than editor. You
usually make your database with eu program and then view it, mostly for
debugging.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Steward" <tony at locksdownunder.com>
To: "EUforum" <EUforum at topica.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 9:33 AM
Subject: RE: EDS Editor?
>
>
> C. K. Lester wrote:
> > How come nobody's made a EUPHORIA database editor yet? Is it that
> > difficult?!
> >
> > (You know, where you can open up the database and make changes to it
> > then
> > close it again.)
> >
> >
> I Would love to see such an editor but given how flexible Euphoria's
> sequences and sub sequences are this would be a difficult task indeed. I
> know in some of my data bases one record in a given table may have 4
> fields and the next record may have 5 fields with sub fields so to
> speak.
>
> Regards Tony
>
>
>
>
3. Re: EDS Editor?
> There is one other point: viewer is far more needed/usefull than editor.
I disagree.
> You usually make your database with eu program and then view it,
> mostly for debugging.
Yes, that's what I have to do now. But what happens when I've got a
significant database I'm using?
A database management system, that lets you create fields and populate the
database, as well as view it, is much more useful.
Or maybe not.
4. Re: EDS Editor?
> It wouldn't be so hard to add edit functionality to Edsgui.
I'll pay for a good implementation of an EDS database manager.
I've worked on and off on a relational model, using two "hidden" tables
called "_fields" and "_relations". I've got the Filemaker Pro paradigm in my
head, so this might not be optimal, but it seems to suit most situations
fine.
Even if only a "_fields" table is utilized for tracking fields...?
5. Re: EDS Editor?
- Posted by tone.skoda at siol.net
Feb 06, 2002
----- Original Message -----
From: "C. K. Lester" <cklester at yahoo.com>
> > There is one other point: viewer is far more needed/usefull than editor.
>
> I disagree.
I meant to say: it would be more USED only for viewing. Less people would be
using it to edit their database.
> But what happens when I've got a
> significant database I'm using?
What is "significant database" ?
If I'll get some more bucks on contributions page then it is more likeley I
will develop it further. 
Or if myself will need that feature.
That is true also with other programmers, I believe.
Till April sureley I won't do anything with it. Maybe in the summer. I'm not
such database guy (don't have such interest in them) so I am doing this
mostly for others. At first I did it because it seemed so obvious how it
could be done, and it seemed strange to me nobody has done it already.
6. Re: EDS Editor?
On Wednesday 06 February 2002 05:25 pm, C. K. Lester wrote:
> A database management system, that lets you create fields and populate the
> database, as well as view it, is much more useful.
>
> Or maybe not.
>
Absolutely - I need to be able to view, create, delete, and modify both
fields and the structure of the database, using live data. You mentioned
Filemaker Pro, which is ideal for this. Unfortunately, where FMPro falls
down is when you need to do some heavy-duty programming. Its scripting
engine is awkward and counter-intuitive. When using it, I've often wished
I could just "write some code" to handle the problem at hand.
I've tried writing a DBMS such as you describe above, but the flexibility
of Euhoria's sequences makes it difficult to know just what it should do.
Regards,
Irv
7. Re: EDS Editor?
I have written a DBMS for EDS, with a slightly extended database.e. There is
some documentation, not complete yet.
The DBMS does not keep track of field names, and has a specific record
'header' to each record (i.e. you cannot use it to manipulate a 'raw' EDS
database), although you can copy data in. Instructions can be typed in at a
command prompt or called from within your own program. It is effectively a
hierachical DBMS as you can link records into sets, as well as the usual
database commands.
I can only claim 'alpha' release status - is anyone interested in giving it
a whirl? It will take about a week to extend the documentation.
Bunjo.
----- Original Message -----
From: <tone.skoda at siol.net>
To: "EUforum" <EUforum at topica.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: EDS Editor?
>
> It wouldn't be so hard to add edit functionality to Edsgui.
> I have already done plan how it would be done back then. (You have to plan
> things else it won't be good.)
> For example: you would be able to add new records in two ways:
> Type euphoria sequence with curly braces in edit box or right click on
> existing tree item and add data under it.
> More difficult would be to add undo/redo, but I have done plan how that
> would be done also.
>
> I don't know if I will ever do it though. Maybe when I have some time.
>
> There is one other point: viewer is far more needed/usefull than editor.
You
> usually make your database with eu program and then view it, mostly for
> debugging.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tony Steward" <tony at locksdownunder.com>
> To: "EUforum" <EUforum at topica.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 9:33 AM
> Subject: RE: EDS Editor?
>
>
> > C. K. Lester wrote:
> > > How come nobody's made a EUPHORIA database editor yet? Is it that
> > > difficult?!
> > >
> > > (You know, where you can open up the database and make changes to it
> > > then
> > > close it again.)
> > >
> > >
> > I Would love to see such an editor but given how flexible Euphoria's
> > sequences and sub sequences are this would be a difficult task indeed. I
> > know in some of my data bases one record in a given table may have 4
> > fields and the next record may have 5 fields with sub fields so to
> > speak.
> >
> > Regards Tony
> >
> >
>
>
>
8. Re: EDS Editor?
- Posted by tone.skoda at siol.net
Feb 07, 2002
It would be interesting to see it.
----- Original Message -----
From: <a.c.harper at btinternet.com>
To: "EUforum" <EUforum at topica.com>
Subject: Re: EDS Editor?
>
> I have written a DBMS for EDS, with a slightly extended database.e. There
is
> some documentation, not complete yet.
>
> The DBMS does not keep track of field names, and has a specific record
> 'header' to each record (i.e. you cannot use it to manipulate a 'raw' EDS
> database), although you can copy data in. Instructions can be typed in at
a
> command prompt or called from within your own program. It is effectively a
> hierachical DBMS as you can link records into sets, as well as the usual
> database commands.
>
> I can only claim 'alpha' release status - is anyone interested in giving
it
> a whirl? It will take about a week to extend the documentation.
>
>
> Bunjo.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <tone.skoda at siol.net>
> To: "EUforum" <EUforum at topica.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 12:24 PM
> Subject: Re: EDS Editor?
>
>
> > It wouldn't be so hard to add edit functionality to Edsgui.
> > I have already done plan how it would be done back then. (You have to
plan
> > things else it won't be good.)
> > For example: you would be able to add new records in two ways:
> > Type euphoria sequence with curly braces in edit box or right click on
> > existing tree item and add data under it.
> > More difficult would be to add undo/redo, but I have done plan how that
> > would be done also.
> >
> > I don't know if I will ever do it though. Maybe when I have some time.
> >
> > There is one other point: viewer is far more needed/usefull than editor.
> You
> > usually make your database with eu program and then view it, mostly for
> > debugging.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tony Steward" <tony at locksdownunder.com>
> > To: "EUforum" <EUforum at topica.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 9:33 AM
> > Subject: RE: EDS Editor?
> >
> >
> > > C. K. Lester wrote:
> > > > How come nobody's made a EUPHORIA database editor yet? Is it that
> > > > difficult?!
> > > >
> > > > (You know, where you can open up the database and make changes to it
> > > > then
> > > > close it again.)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > I Would love to see such an editor but given how flexible Euphoria's
> > > sequences and sub sequences are this would be a difficult task indeed.
I
> > > know in some of my data bases one record in a given table may have 4
> > > fields and the next record may have 5 fields with sub fields so to
> > > speak.
> > >
> > > Regards Tony
> > >
> > >
>
>
>
