1. Re: [OT]Where's everyone from? Contest
Kat wrote:
> On 9 Aug 2004, at 21:39, Juergen Luethje wrote:
>>
>> Kat wrote:
>>
>>> On 9 Aug 2004, at 7:00, Juergen Luethje wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Kat wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <big snip>
>>>>
>>>>> In that case, don't ask for all the data.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kat,
>>>>> getting a headache and wishing she wasn't so capable of doing things
>>>>> that no one has a hairsplittingly precise use for. Like "i want all the
>>>>> data
>>>>> in this format (figuring you cannot alter the format), but since you have
>>>>> all the data, and i want only 50 lines, we cannot use it".
>>>>
>>>> OK, I will not ask you for those data again.
>>>> There are many other possibilities to get those data, most of them look
>>>> more promising anyhow.
>>>
>>> Heh. All you had to do was ask me. But you couldn't.
>>
>> Hm..?? I couldn't ask you?? I *did* ask you.
>
> You wrote:
> Sorry, I don't know what a irc database is, and how to question it.
Yes, I did so. That implied the question: "Can you please explain to me,
how it works?"
And why did I do so? Because you had written before (on 2004-08-06):
| Tiggr has latitude/longitude of almost everywhere. I could put that
| info on her irc database for questioning.
So I asked you, *how* to question it, and then I got your harsh reply.
Where is the problem?
Because of that post, I was assuming that you wanted to provide the
information in public, and so I simply asked how to get it. Sharing
information with each other also is the sprit of this mailing list.
Information about latitude/longitude of cities is available in public
anyway, and so I don't understand, why you react like the Queen, when
someone tries to steal the jewelry of her crown ...
In the meantime, I believe you just wanted to say that you have the
data, but didn't want to give them to this list. This is the only
explaiation that I have for your strange reaction.
>>> You said i should upload the entire database for you,
>>
>> No, I did *not* write that.
>
> You wrote:
> Maybe you can put it on your website, for download?
Yes, I did so. This is a question, and I can't see any word like 'shall'
or 'should' there ...
You said, that you were willing to put that latitude/longitude info on
Tiggr's irc database for questioning. I don't know anything about irc,
so I *asked* wheter you could make it available for download. Where is
the problem? If you didn't want to do so, just say "no", and anything is
clear. No need for a harsh reply at all.
>>> but then said you didn't need the whole
>>> thing so nevermind. The form the data is in here is irrelavant. Which 50
>>> cities i have data on is irrelavant as long as i have the 50 you need. You
>>> were not serious about me supplying the data, you were just making excuses
>>> about how to not involve me.
>>
>> I just wonder where you read all those "interesting" stuff. At least not
>> in one of my previous posts, because I never wrote something like that.
>> This is silly anyhow. Why should I want not to involve you in this
>> discussion???
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> And *if* I actually had wanted to do so, I simply would
>> not have replied to your post, rather than asking you questions.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> You wrote:
> For the beginning, I think it would be sufficient to have the information for
> the
> cities, where the people live, who replied in this (original) thread --
> currently
> about 50 cities.
>
> I thought:
> even if i did rent space on a server big enough to host the data, you wouldn't
> use it, because it wasn't worth downloading it to get the 50 places you are
> interested in. Sounds ok, but then, i have the data already, and you still
> haven't asked me about those 50 places either.
I don't understand why you always talk about those 50 cities. I cannot
handle databases of arbitrary size, and I didn't know how big the
database was, so I actually thought, that in the beginning, we maybe
could start with 50 cities. Where is the problem?
>>> I wasn't expecting this from *you*, Juergen, but i am
>>> prepared for it from anyone now.
>>
>> Your expectation was correct, because I didn't do anything in order to
>> "not involve you".
>
> Except separate me from the data, which may not be all in one place and
> premunged anymore.
I never wanted nor tried to separate you from your data. My mistake
obviously just was, that I assumed that you wanted to provide the data
in public, when you wrote:
| Tiggr has latitude/longitude of almost everywhere. I could put that
| info on her irc database for questioning.
>>> Just consider this, i had most of this contest sewn up 4 years ago.
>>
>> So what? ... wait. Do you think I tried to exclude you from the contest,
>> or what? Is that, what you are talking about?
>
> Yes. Or simply by saying you wouldn't want to be part of a group that
> would have me.
Hm ...? What a new "discussing style" is that? I did not say something
like that! If there is actually something that I hate, it is other
poeple, trying to lay words into my mouth. What a kind of game are you
trying to play??
Also, see the sentence above, between the two lines of ++++.
You didn't reply to that sentence at all.
Do you actually think I'm that crazy, that I didn't want to work
together with you, and then replied to your post anyhow? Try to think
logically, please.
> I know how that works: once enough people have said it, i am out
> of everything.
By writing strange replies, that contain a lot of nonsense, you kick
*yourself* out of anything. And you shouldn't mix up cause and effect.
You are creating self-fulfilling prophecies. This has been told you on
this list before. It's up to *you*, to learn something, from what people
are trying to tell you ...
>> The contest has not yet started, this is just a discussion about some
>> *possible* tasks in a *possible* contest. And please consider, that any
>> problem that has been solved on this list before the contest starts,
>> cannot be part of the contest any more.
>>
>> And actually, I am not interested in (and don't have the power to do so)
>> excluding you from anything.
>
> Well, people have opinions about things, about who they will and won't work
> with. Since people haven't worked with me on a project (only some small
> tidbits of code) in 4 years, i figure they never will, so whatever i say on
> the
> list is immaterial. It's getting to be like real life, no job in 20 years as
> of the
> end of this year.
>
>>> But you are correct, you can do it all over
>>> again without me, it's what everyone does anyhow. If i cannot have pride in
>>> working *with* anyone, i can take pride in beating you to it.
>>
>> If you'd write more often objective, problem oriented posts, staying to
>> the topic, rather than polemic posts, then the chances that people would
>> like to work together with you probably will increase. This is meant as
>> a serious hint.
>
> I seriously was on topic before,
Yes, you were on topic this time, but you wrote a harsh and polemic
reply, as you often do.
As I wrote, the text above was meant as a serious general hint. Consider
it or not, that's up to *you*.
I hope, we can end this thread soon.
<snip>
Regards,
Juergen
