1. Debian 2.0 Linux
Hy,
I just downloaded Debian 2 (Linux 2),
finally something easy to download,
those redhat, suse things, are they REALLY downloadable?
It's a bit anoying that prompt when I worked most
of my life with Windows'95-'98-NT.
Isn't there a graphical interface for Linux, X or something like that.
Is that downloadable too?
Well, I'm going to try the linux-euphoria on it, hope it works.
Bye,
PQ
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2. Re: Debian 2.0 Linux
- Posted by JJProg at CYBERBURY.NET
Jul 25, 1999
EU>Isn't there a graphical interface for Linux, X or something like that.
EU>Is that downloadable too?
yes, there's X-Windows. It's not just one GUI, but a standard for
graphical interfaces for Linux. There is a really cool X-Windows
interface called KDE which you can find at http://www.kde.org. I don't
know where you can find the X-Windows server, though, which you will
probably need.
Jeffrey Fielding
JJProg at cyberbury.net
http://members.tripod.com/~JJProg/
3. Re: Debian 2.0 Linux
- Posted by MB King <boot_me at GEOCITIES.COM>
Jul 25, 1999
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Last edited Jul 26, 1999
>Well, I'm going to try the linux-euphoria on it, hope it works.
Please let us all know if it works Patrick...I have been looking for
something I can download and run euphoria on as well
Thanks
Monty
4. Re: Debian 2.0 Linux
The web site for X-servers is:
http://www.xfree.org
Generally, each distribution includes all x-servers. I never tried to
download one from
the web, I always found CDs with complete distris.
I just looked at the debian site (debian.org) and found the packages there,
under:
http://www.debian.org/Packages/stable/x11/ . you should need the
xfree86-common
package , the correct xserver for your graphic card, xterm and probably a
lot other
stuff... Can't you get a CD rather? it contains all packages and an
installation program
that will help you for the setup.
Riwal Raude
rauder at thmulti.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: JJProg at CYBERBURY.NET [SMTP:JJProg at CYBERBURY.NET]
> Sent: Monday, July 26, 1999 2:23 AM
> To: EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU
> Subject: Re: Debian 2.0 Linux
>
> EU>Isn't there a graphical interface for Linux, X or something like that.
> EU>Is that downloadable too?
>
> yes, there's X-Windows. It's not just one GUI, but a standard for
> graphical interfaces for Linux. There is a really cool X-Windows
> interface called KDE which you can find at http://www.kde.org. I don't
> know where you can find the X-Windows server, though, which you will
> probably need.
>
> Jeffrey Fielding
> JJProg at cyberbury.net
> http://members.tripod.com/~JJProg/
5. Re: Debian 2.0 Linux
Hy,
And what do you do if X-Server is installed,
(At least when you think it's installed)
how do you start it, is it supposed to start
automaticly ?
I don't know where to get a Linux-CD here in the Netherlands.
And when you finally found that cd, you'd better not
got there because of the price.
Ever seen how much RedHat 5.0 costs? ($69,95)
In dutch guilders, that's something in the F130,-
That hurts in your wallet, and I don't have the money.
Bye,
PQ
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6. Re: Debian 2.0 Linux
if it is installed, type "startx" to start...X 
I never bought a linux distribution, there are many magazines that offer
one in their CD. This way I got RedHat 4.1, 5.2, Mandrake 5.2 and 6.0,
a slackware ... there are also linux CD included with many computing
books , some of them offer three different distributions.
BTW I don't remember having seen a debian. Don't know why.
If you can't find, maybe I can send you such a CD through Physical
mail... I'll be in holidays for a month next week so we haven't a lot
of time.
Riwal Raude
rauder at thmulti.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Patrick Quist [SMTP:quistnet at HOTMAIL.COM]
> Sent: Monday, July 26, 1999 12:58 PM
> To: EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU
> Subject: Re: Debian 2.0 Linux
>
> Hy,
>
> And what do you do if X-Server is installed,
> (At least when you think it's installed)
> how do you start it, is it supposed to start
> automaticly ?
>
> I don't know where to get a Linux-CD here in the Netherlands.
> And when you finally found that cd, you'd better not
> got there because of the price.
> Ever seen how much RedHat 5.0 costs? ($69,95)
> In dutch guilders, that's something in the F130,-
> That hurts in your wallet, and I don't have the money.
>
> Bye,
> PQ
> QC
>
>
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7. Re: Debian 2.0 Linux
On Mon, 26 Jul 1999, you wrote:
> Hy,
>
> And what do you do if X-Server is installed,
> (At least when you think it's installed)
> how do you start it, is it supposed to start
> automaticly ?
>
> I don't know where to get a Linux-CD here in the Netherlands.
> And when you finally found that cd, you'd better not
> got there because of the price.
Patrick:
Cheapbytes has a Debian CD for 20.60 guilders, delivery included.
The problem with downloading Linux is that there are THOUSANDS of files,
and you don't know which ones you need, unless you are Linus Torvalds.
When you get a CD, it will have all the files, and as you install, the install
program will move the appropriate files from the CD to your hard disk.
Most installations automatically set up windows, a window manager, and
all the nice stuff you are used to seeing with Windows 9x.
Regards,
Irv
8. Re: Debian 2.0 Linux
On Sun, 25 Jul 1999, you wrote:
> Hy,
>
> I just downloaded Debian 2 (Linux 2),
> finally something easy to download,
> those redhat, suse things, are they REALLY downloadable?
> It's a bit anoying that prompt when I worked most
> of my life with Windows'95-'98-NT.
> Isn't there a graphical interface for Linux, X or something like that.
> Is that downloadable too?
All this can be installed via ftp -- IF you have a T1 line --
Otherwise, it means several days of downloading.
Not worth the bother, for me. On the other hand, you could learn a LOT
by installing this way. Maybe more than you really want to learn!
Yes, there is a graphical interface. Please take a look at another screenshot,
this one in Dutch, just for the fun of it. http://www.mindspring.com/~mountains
(click on the "another" screenshot)
Regards,
Irv
9. Re: Debian 2.0 Linux
Hy,
I almost have it started, but it asked for configuration,
so I did that with xf86config, but it still doesn't
work with my video card,
It's not a problem that my S3-Virge/DX vga card is a PCI card, right?
(I'm happy that my AGP card went broke a few days ago, that's not
supported at all, right? Or is it?)
Is there a standard installation?
Bye,
PQ
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10. Re: Debian 2.0 Linux
Patrick Quist:
Redhat has a free download at:
http://www.redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/download
Free copy of Red Hat Linux 6.0:
Download it now from either our ftp site or from one of our mirror sites.
You can also download the manual or other additional documentation.
I don't know how long it would take to download it ?
Also go to their home page there is some information about them opening
a site in europe.
Bernie
11. Re: Debian 2.0 Linux
Hy,
X is working now and I´m the Window-Manager BlackBox.
Linux is really fun, something else then Microsoft.
Questions....
Wich Internet-Browser are the most of you using ?
Is there a working sort of drag&drop, click&start and extensively
configurable sort of explorer ?
How do you know how much diskspace you have left ?
Thanks,
Bye,
PQ
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12. Re: Debian 2.0 Linux
Tue, 27 Jul 1999, Patrick Quist wrote:
> Hy,
>
> X is working now and I´m the Window-Manager BlackBox.
> Linux is really fun, something else then Microsoft.
>
> Questions....
> Wich Internet-Browser are the most of you using ?
> Is there a working sort of drag&drop, click&start and extensively
> configurable sort of explorer ?
> How do you know how much diskspace you have left ?
>
df (short for disk-free) shows used/free (k) and percentage remaining.
df -m shows it in megs
For browser/explorer/desktop (better than Microsoft!) try KDE. It's completely
integrated with the web - you can browse local directories, click on folders,
connect to the web or an ftp server, and things look just like they do on your
local computer (just a little slower). You can even edit and save files over
the web (if you have permission and passwords to do so). Also drag and drop
files from websites onto your desktop (or the other way around, if allowed).
That's what I used to make the desktop jpeg on the website (the one with the
circuit board backdrop)
Netscape is also available, but it's big, slow, and buggy.
Regards,
Irv
13. Re: Debian 2.0 Linux
Did you guys ever hear of the OPERA browser
There are people working on linux / BEOS ( x windows ) versions
http://www.opera.com/index.html
14. Re: Debian 2.0 Linux
It was a dark and stormy night at about Tue, 27 Jul 1999, when Bernie Ryan
wrote:
> Did you guys ever hear of the OPERA browser
> There are people working on linux / BEOS ( x windows ) versions
> http://www.opera.com/index.html
Yep. I used Opera on Windows, and liked it. It was faster than Netscape or
Explorer, and had some nice features. It's not nearly ready for the Linux
platform, unfortunately.
Irv
15. Re: Debian 2.0 Linux
I've been thinking about an alternative. What exactly does KDE stand =
for?
(I hate doing web searches that return thousands of unrelated sites...)
Oh, and is it free?
Rod
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From: Irv Mullins[SMTP:irv at ELLIJAY.COM]
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 1999 1:05 PM
To: EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU
Subject: Re: Debian 2.0 Linux
Tue, 27 Jul 1999, Patrick Quist wrote:
> Hy,
>
> X is working now and I=B4m the Window-Manager BlackBox.
> Linux is really fun, something else then Microsoft.
>
> Questions....
> Wich Internet-Browser are the most of you using ?
> Is there a working sort of drag&drop, click&start and extensively
> configurable sort of explorer ?
> How do you know how much diskspace you have left ?
>
df (short for disk-free) shows used/free (k) and percentage remaining.
df -m shows it in megs
For browser/explorer/desktop (better than Microsoft!) try KDE. It's =
completely
integrated with the web - you can browse local directories, click on =
folders,
connect to the web or an ftp server, and things look just like they do =
on your
local computer (just a little slower). You can even edit and save files =
over
the web (if you have permission and passwords to do so). Also drag and =
drop
files from websites onto your desktop (or the other way around, if =
allowed).
That's what I used to make the desktop jpeg on the website (the one with =
the
circuit board backdrop)
Netscape is also available, but it's big, slow, and buggy.
Regards,
Irv
16. Re: Debian 2.0 Linux
Roderick Jackson wondered:
> What exactly does KDE stand for?
It used to stand for the "Kool Desktop Environment", but now the K
officially doesn't stand for anything.
> Oh, and is it free?
Yes. Take a look at:
www.kde.org
-- David Cuny
17. Re: Debian 2.0 Linux
KDE -- K Desktop Enviornment -- http://www.kde.org
Bernie
18. Re: Debian 2.0 Linux
On a dark and stormy night (Tue, 27 Jul 1999), Roderick Jackson
wrote:
> I've been thinking about an alternative. What exactly does KDE stand
for?
> (I hate doing web searches that return thousands of unrelated sites...)
>
> Oh, and is it free?
Short answer: the "K Desktop Environment " = the MS Explorer done right.
Long answer: (quote)
What is KDE?
KDE is a network transparent contemporary desktop environment for Unix
workstations.
It was written by a world-wide network of software engineers committed to free
software development. KDE seeks to fill the need for an easy to use desktop for
Unix workstations, similar to the desktop environments found under the MacOS or
Window95/NT. We believe that the Unix operating system is the best operating
system available today. In fact Unix has been the undisputed choice of the
information technology professional for many years.........<snip>
I suppose a good place for more info would be http:www.kde.org
(be sure to look at the themes)
Irv
19. Re: Debian 2.0 Linux
Hy,
Does anyone know a good, working, fast ftp-site of KDE ?
I use GoZilla! for downloading and with most of the KDE files
are multiple ftp-sites available, but everyone of them
give Errors during Transfer.
Or if there´s no good site, can someone give a good
time to download it.
Bye,
PQ
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20. Re: Debian 2.0 Linux
try ftp://ftp.us.kde.org/pub/kde/
it's hosted by Caldera, and the fastest I've been able to find
Greg Phillips
Patrick Quist wrote:
> Hy,
>
> Does anyone know a good, working, fast ftp-site of KDE ?
> I use GoZilla! for downloading and with most of the KDE files
> are multiple ftp-sites available, but everyone of them
> give Errors during Transfer.
> Or if there´s no good site, can someone give a good
> time to download it.
>
> Bye,
> PQ
> QC
>
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21. Re: Debian 2.0 Linux
KDE is much more than an explorer... it is a project that includes a window
manager, browser, file manager, editor, and they are also developing a
complete office suite (Koffice). A lot of things are integrated, so it is
great
for the W95-addicts and those who don't want to understand what they do.
KDE is not alone on the market, it is only the slowest and uses a lot of
memory.
(has anyone tried to use StarOffice under KDE with only 32Meg of mem? 
One alternative is called 'gnome' , a project from the free software
foundation .
If you just want a window manager, you can try fvwm, afterstep,
windowmaker (part from the gnome project), enlightenment, and if you're
short
in memory (or in download time try icewm. you can find most of these on
the debian site too.
Riwal Raude
rauder at thmulti.com
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> From: Irv Mullins [SMTP:irv at ELLIJAY.COM]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 1999 11:15 PM
> Subject: Re: Debian 2.0 Linux
>
> On a dark and stormy night (Tue, 27 Jul 1999), Roderick Jackson
> wrote:
>
> > I've been thinking about an alternative. What exactly does KDE stand
> for?
> > (I hate doing web searches that return thousands of unrelated sites...)
> >
> > Oh, and is it free?
>
> Short answer: the "K Desktop Environment " = the MS Explorer done right.
> Long answer: (quote)
>
> What is KDE?
>
> KDE is a network transparent contemporary desktop environment for Unix
> workstations.
> It was written by a world-wide network of software engineers committed to
> free
> software development. KDE seeks to fill the need for an easy to use
> desktop for
> Unix workstations, similar to the desktop environments found under the
> MacOS or
> Window95/NT. We believe that the Unix operating system is the best
> operating
> system available today. In fact Unix has been the undisputed choice of the
> information technology professional for many years.........<snip>
>
> I suppose a good place for more info would be http:www.kde.org
> (be sure to look at the themes)
>
> Irv
22. Re: Debian 2.0 Linux
Hy,
How do you initialize your soundcard,
I have the ISA ESS-1868 PnP Audiodrive, so it is compatible with Kernel
2.0.36-3.
Is there a configuration tool for it?
BTW.
I finally got KDE, very nice.
How did they do it...
Bye,
PQ
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23. Re: Debian 2.0 Linux
How about sndconfig I think you have to know IRQ's and DMA channels.
24. Re: Debian 2.0 Linux
>From: Bernie Ryan <bwryan at PCOM.NET>
>
>How about sndconfig I think you have to know IRQ's and DMA channels.
I don´t have that file, and can´t find it on
the debian archive.
Do you know a site where to download it ?
Bye,
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25. Re: Debian 2.0 Linux
On Wed, 28 Jul 1999 13:04:22 PDT, Patrick Quist <quistnet at HOTMAIL.COM>
wrote:
>I don=B4t have that file, and can=B4t find it on
>the debian archive.
>Do you know a site where to download it ?
sndconfig program is part of REDHAT.
Goto this location on the WEB there is a SOUND HOWTO file on installing a
soundcard maybe that will help you. Also you will find HOWTO to do
other things at this site. May be someone else is using your version of
Linux that can help you.
Sorry I could help.
Bernie
26. Re: Debian 2.0 Linux
On Wed, 28 Jul 1999, you wrote:
> Hy,
>
> How do you initialize your soundcard,
> I have the ISA ESS-1868 PnP Audiodrive, so it is compatible with Kernel
> 2.0.36-3.
> Is there a configuration tool for it?
>
Most Linux versions load sound drivers, etc. as modules.
You can see a list of all loaded modues by typing modprobe -c (as root)
If the sound modules aren't loaded... read man insmod.
Irv
27. Re: Debian 2.0 Linux
Hy,
I got the file ISAPNP, that´s for configuring PnP ISA Cards,
like the ESS PnP Audiodrive.
It runs when booting, but it gives an error
that the file or dir : /proc/bus/pci/devices
And when I try to create the directory bus
in /proc/ it´s not posible because of the read-only property
which cannot be changed, not even by root.
I got also a program that can convert RPM (Redhat) files into DEB (Debian).
So if someone can send or give the URL of sndconfig in Redhat,
and I'm actually begging for it, I read that it can really make a huge,
even for Debian-Linux difference.
Thanks,
PQ
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28. Re: Debian 2.0 Linux
Hy,
Well, I found it myself at:
http://rpmfind.net/linux/tst
I think that every app for RedHat is there.
Bye,
PQ
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