1. Tired of Euphoria Bashing
- Posted by Mario Steele <eumario at trilake.net>
Aug 06, 2005
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Last edited Aug 07, 2005
Hey All,
I am still here, reading the Euphoria list from time to time. And really
Vincent, your bashing the Language way to much. I'm just like you, in the points
of not agreeing with how Robert is doing things, and such, but I only needed to
Say that once, and that's it. I didn't need to repeat myself 1000x to make my
point. And while I do agree with most people on here, Euphoria is a great
language, for them, and for certian tasks, it's just not good for my advanced
needs. And C/C++/C#/Java is just to complex for me to keep my mind wrapped
around. With Ruby, I've done made progress on developing my own MU* Client,
which I tried many times with Euphoria, and with no avail. It works both on
Linux and Windows, and is developed with GTK. (Much to the enjoyment of thoes on
here who like GTK, I'm starting to agree with you! :P) You can see screen shots
here: http://www.trilake.net/vwmc/
But I find Ruby for my needs right now. Who knows, maybe later on, I might have
a project, that Euphoria will be better suited for, then Ruby is, and I'll go
back to Euphoria, and use it. But I'm perfectly content with the stuff I'm
getting with Ruby, and all the advanced options. I don't come back here, to
bitch and complain about Euphoria, cause I'm busy making progress with my
language of choice, so I'm sticking with it for now. Plus the fact that it
doesn't cost me anything to use it, makes me even more happy. So, I say to thoes
of you on here, who think this language is of great use to you, please, keep
using it. Seriously, cause Programming should be fun, and easy for you, not the
other person. Keep with what your comfortable. And the rest of you out there,
that want to bash the language, don't do it here. Let people make their own
judgements based on their experince with the language.
Mario Steele
http://enchantedblade.trilake.net
Attaining World Dominiation, one byte at a time...
2. Re: Tired of Euphoria Bashing
On 6 Aug 2005, at 14:04, Mario Steele wrote:
>
>
> posted by: Mario Steele <eumario at trilake.net>
>
> Hey All,
>
> I am still here, reading the Euphoria list from time to time. And really
> Vincent, your bashing the Language way to much. I'm just like you, in the
> points of not agreeing with how Robert is doing things, and such, but I only
> needed to Say that once, and that's it. I didn't need to repeat myself 1000x
> to
> make my point. And while I do agree with most people on here, Euphoria is a
> great language, for them, and for certian tasks, it's just not good for my
> advanced needs. And C/C++/C#/Java is just to complex for me to keep my mind
> wrapped around. With Ruby, I've done made progress on developing my own MU*
> Client, which I tried many times with Euphoria, and with no avail. It works
> both on Linux and Windows, and is developed with GTK. (Much to the enjoyment
> of
> thoes on here who like GTK, I'm starting to agree with you! :P) You can see
> screen shots here: http://www.trilake.net/vwmc/
I like how you mentioned eval() on
http://www.trilake.net/vwmc/vwmc_ss2.jpg. Better luck with the new Trilake.
I did a convertor for mirc to connect to mu* once, so i could use all the
commands available in mirc not available in other mu* clients that i knew of
at the time. Could have attached or ported it to Eu, but <shrug>.
Kat
3. Re: Tired of Euphoria Bashing
EU Coder wrote:
<snip>
> The success or failure of Euphoria is not only dependent on Robert, but it
> is also dependent on the community in a whole. A strong community is what
> drives any language. In my opinion Euphoria is lacking users, and if there
> was a sustained effort to get new users to actively use the language, I
> think that would motivate Robert to explore other avenues.
>
> The main problem is Robert is a very talented developer/coder, but he is
> lacking in the department of marketing. Euphoria has been around long enough
> that it should have been written about in every top computer magazine and/or
> website. The fact of the matter is most people just do not know the language
> exist, and we will never see Euphoria grow if there are only a handful of
> people using it. It is extremely hard for one or two people to effectively
> market a product, and in my opinion that is what I think Euphoria needs the
> most. What good are features when there is no one here to utilize them?
> Unfortunately "if you build it they will come" does not apply to software or
> the web.
>
> Chris---
I agree that it's important for Euphoria to get more users.
That's why in April this year, I looked at many download sites in
my language (German), to see whether or not they mention Euphoria.
Euphoria was only mentioned on 1 site.
Then I wrote to all serious German download sites, that had something
like a "Programming" section. Now there is a "Euphoria" entry on 9
German download sites. Among them is the website of Heise Publishing.
Besides other magazines they publish c't, which is Germany's most
renowned and most trusted computer magazine. No other computer magazine
in whole Europe has more subscribers (German speaking Euphorians can
vote here:)
http://www.heise.de/software/default.shtml?kat=187&s=se&l_sw=1&l_aw=1&l_fw=1
Everyone can do the same concerning her/his language.
Regards,
Juergen
PS: In your mail, the "Content-Transfer-Encoding:" header field is
missing. I assume that's the reason why it looks so strange
(unwanted =20 and line breaks).
Of course, this is only a real problem for people who don't have
Pete Lomax' nice tool. 
4. Re: Tired of Euphoria Bashing
- Posted by "EU Coder" <eucoder at hotmail.com>
Aug 07, 2005
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Last edited Aug 08, 2005
>
>PS: In your mail, the "Content-Transfer-Encoding:" header field is
> missing. I assume that's the reason why it looks so strange
> (unwanted =20 and line breaks).
> Of course, this is only a real problem for people who don't have
> Pete Lomax' nice tool.
>
Yes I noticed my e-mails appear kind of wierd :) I think I figured the
problem out.
Chris---
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