1. serialize software
I would like to serialize software to a computer. Is there a routine to do that?
2. Re: serialize software
George Walters wrote:
> I would like to serialize software to a computer. Is there a routine to do
> that?
What do you mean by 'serialize software to a computer'?
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3. Re: serialize software
I mean that it would only run on that specific computer. Perhaps tied to the nic
or hard drive id or some other id of the comoputer.
4. Re: serialize software
George Walters wrote:
>
> I mean that it would only run on that specific computer. Perhaps tied to the
> nic or
> hard drive id or some other id of the comoputer.
Code to get the serial number:
http://www.cklester.com/euphoria/code_diskserial.htm
Then have it check against what you've got stored in the registry or
ini file.
I do this with my company's software and it works great.
-=ck
"Programming in a state of EUPHORIA."
http://www.cklester.com/euphoria/
5. Re: serialize software
try this :
include win32lib.ew
constant good2go = "your user name", -- case sensitive
win = create(Window,"",0,Center,Center,500,500,0)
sequence lUser
lUser = getUserName()
procedure check_good2go(object a, object b, object c)
if equal(lUser,good2go) = 0 then closeApp() end if
end procedure
setHandler(win,w32HActivate,routine_id("check_good2go"))
WinMain(win,Normal)
On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 07:30:53 -0800, George Walters
<guest at rapideuphoria.com> wrote:
>
> posted by: George Walters <gwalters at sc.rr.com>
>
> I mean that it would only run on that specific computer. Perhaps tied to the
> nic or hard drive id or some other id of the comoputer.
>
>
>
>
>
6. Re: serialize software
----- Original Message -----
From: "George Walters"
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: serialize software
>
>
> posted by: George Walters <gwalters at sc.rr.com>
>
> I mean that it would only run on that specific computer. Perhaps tied to the
> nic or hard drive id or some other id of the
> comoputer.
<Irrational knee jerk response>
I hate you.
</Irrational knee jerk response>
Ok, now that I got that out of my system.
Hard Drives fail. NIC's Fail, Components Fail.
People Upgrade and this Tagging process PREVENTS people
from upgrading. My uncle suffers this Monopolistic pain daily.
He is STUPID enough to have repeatedly purchase upgraded
versions of an astrological software that Can't be moved from
computer to computer. Aggravation: Can't share it. But then,
He isn't suppose to. Infuriating: Can't replace or upgrade
his computer. He shouldn't be bound to a 466Mhz computer
by any software by anyone. But he is !!! This greatly angers
and distresses me.
unkmar
7. Re: serialize software
Unkmar wrote:
>
> > posted by: George Walters <gwalters at sc.rr.com>
> >
> > I mean that it would only run on that specific computer. Perhaps tied to the
> > nic or hard drive
> > id or some other id of the </font></i> computer.
>
> Hard Drives fail. NIC's Fail, Components Fail.
> People Upgrade and this Tagging process PREVENTS people
> from upgrading.
It's not that big a deal, actually. We have thousands of clients and
most of them upgrade. It's just a matter of reinstalling the software
with us on the phone.
You have to reinstall everything anyway... it just so happens that for
this particular software you'll need a code or something. Soon, our
stuff will be automated so it will be a standard-looking install with
the license verification going on in the background.
> My uncle suffers this Monopolistic pain daily.
It's not monopolistic. It's just a license protection scheme. If you
don't agree to the provisions of the license agreement, DON'T USE THE
SOFTWARE. It's simple. :)
> He is STUPID enough to have repeatedly purchase upgraded
> versions of an astrological software that Can't be moved from
> computer to computer.
Since when does anybody move software from computer to computer on such
a periodic basis as to make this intolerable?! Besides software pirates,
I mean.
> Aggravation: Can't share it. But then, he isn't suppose to.
Duh.
> Infuriating: Can't replace or upgrade his computer.
I doubt this is true. A call to the software maker should get him
reinstalled quickly and easily. That's how it works with us, at least.
-=ck
"Programming in a state of EUPHORIA."
http://www.cklester.com/euphoria/
8. Re: serialize software
cklester wrote:
>
> Since when does anybody move software from computer to computer on such
> a periodic basis as to make this intolerable?! Besides software pirates,
> I mean.
I do. Last year I had to replace my laptop twiece because they died.
On my current one is on its second hardrive. I've reinstalled Windows five
times in the last six months alone. It always a bother to contact the
vendor of a software and try to convince them that I'm not a software
pirate and that my laptop DID get hit by lighting/infected by virus/spyware/etc.
The problem with this approach is that it assumes the user is thief until
proven otherwise.
Ken
9. Re: serialize software
Thanks CK. This should work fine.
10. Re: serialize software
Ken Orr wrote:
> cklester asked:
> > Since when does anybody move software from computer to computer on such
> > a periodic basis as to make this intolerable?! Besides software pirates,
> > I mean.
>
> I do. Last year I had to replace my laptop twiece because they died.
> On my current one is on its second hardrive. I've reinstalled Windows five
> times in the last six months alone. It always a bother to contact the
> vendor of a software and try to convince them that I'm not a software
> pirate and that my laptop DID get hit by lighting/infected by
> virus/spyware/etc.
Isn't it MORE of a bother to have a laptop die twice, lose a hard drive,
and reinstall Windows five times. Whose fault is that? Certainly not the
software vendor's...
My point remains... your situation is rare.
> The problem with this approach is that it assumes the user is thief until
> proven otherwise.
Putting a lock on something is a safety measure,
not a presumption of guilt... otherwise, you'd be offended by all locks.
-=ck
"Programming in a state of EUPHORIA."
http://www.cklester.com/euphoria/
11. Re: serialize software
- Posted by Kenneth Rhodes <wolf_man_jacques at excite.com>
Nov 18, 2004
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Last edited Nov 19, 2004
I don't think Ken Orr's situation is all that rare. My initial
interest in Linux was spawned by frustrations with an incredibly
onerous hassle factor when I needed to reinstall MicroSoft Word
several times - and I was in no way violating the software license.
I dual booted booted Windows and Linux for a while, but I finally
became so frustrated with addware, spyware, and viruses together
with the added expense and hassle of having to run virus checkers,
scan disk, and disk defragmentation programs that I finally
resolved to bid good riddance to MicroSoft products completely.
"Intolerable" is subjective - it is intolerable for me to bear
an extra burden of work and time in order to be able to continue
to use software under a license which I have paid for and not
violated.
cklester wrote:
>
> Ken Orr wrote:
> > cklester asked:
> > > Since when does anybody move software from computer to computer on such
> > > a periodic basis as to make this intolerable?! Besides software pirates,
> > > I mean.
> >
> > I do. Last year I had to replace my laptop twiece because they died.
> > On my current one is on its second hardrive. I've reinstalled Windows five
> > times in the last six months alone. It always a bother to contact the
> > vendor of a software and try to convince them that I'm not a software
> > pirate and that my laptop DID get hit by lighting/infected by
> > virus/spyware/etc.
>
> Isn't it MORE of a bother to have a laptop die twice, lose a hard drive,
> and reinstall Windows five times. Whose fault is that? Certainly not the
> software vendor's...
>
> My point remains... your situation is rare.
>
> > The problem with this approach is that it assumes the user is thief until
> > proven otherwise.
>
> Putting a lock on something is a safety measure,
> not a presumption of guilt... otherwise, you'd be offended by all locks.
>
> -=ck
> "Programming in a state of EUPHORIA."
> <a
> href="http://www.cklester.com/euphoria/">http://www.cklester.com/euphoria/</a>
>
Ken Rhodes
100% Microsoft Free!
12. Re: serialize software
- Posted by cklester <cklester at yahoo.com>
Nov 18, 2004
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Last edited Nov 19, 2004
Kenneth Rhodes wrote:
> I don't think Ken Orr's situation is all that rare.
Let me say this: I have thousands of customers. None have ever complained
about our policy (well, except the ones who wanted to pirate our software!)
However, they are ALL corporate users. I often provide support to IT
IT departments, and none of them have ever complained. Of course, like I
said before, reinstallation with us takes less than 5 minutes, usually.
I also have to say in my 12 years in this business NEVER had a client who
had the horrible hardware issues that Ken did... That may be biasing my
opinion on this matter. :)
-=ck
"Programming in a state of EUPHORIA."
http://www.cklester.com/euphoria/
13. Re: serialize software
- Posted by "Unkmar" <L3Euphoria at bellsouth.net>
Nov 18, 2004
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Last edited Nov 19, 2004
----- Original Message -----
From: "cklester" <guest at RapidEuphoria.com>
To: <EUforum at topica.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: serialize software
>
>
> posted by: cklester <cklester at yahoo.com>
>
> Unkmar wrote:
>>
>> > posted by: George Walters <gwalters at sc.rr.com>
>> >
>> > I mean that it would only run on that specific computer. Perhaps tied to
>> > the nic or hard drive
>> > id or some other id of the </font></i> computer.
>>
>> Hard Drives fail. NIC's Fail, Components Fail.
>> People Upgrade and this Tagging process PREVENTS people
>> from upgrading.
>
> It's not that big a deal, actually. We have thousands of clients and
> most of them upgrade. It's just a matter of reinstalling the software
> with us on the phone.
The company I mention is only reachable 1 day a week. Thursday.
> You have to reinstall everything anyway... it just so happens that for
> this particular software you'll need a code or something. Soon, our
> stuff will be automated so it will be a standard-looking install with
> the license verification going on in the background.
I haven't reinstalled mIRC or Euphoria in many years. I don't have
to install most any product when I do a drive copy. Apparently
the registry entries work as authentication without a hardware
authentification process.
>> My uncle suffers this Monopolistic pain daily.
>
> It's not monopolistic. It's just a license protection scheme. If you
> don't agree to the provisions of the license agreement, DON'T USE THE
> SOFTWARE. It's simple. :)
>
>> He is STUPID enough to have repeatedly purchase upgraded
>> versions of an astrological software that Can't be moved from
>> computer to computer.
>
> Since when does anybody move software from computer to computer on such
> a periodic basis as to make this intolerable?! Besides software pirates,
> I mean.
Let's assume he has computers with 3 legit copies. Which he does.
Just so happens that all 3 copies are different versions. For obvious reasons.
He buys a computer so he puts a new copy on it. He puts the most recent
upgrade on the oldest copy he has. Now, lets assume a system failure
once per year. That leaves room for the HD or mobo or Windows to
take a dump. That gives you 1 marked component failure per system
per 3 years. That is if you consider Windows as a component.
With 3 computers, that is 3 failures a year. You can call this as hypothetical
as you like. I call it a royal pain.
>> Aggravation: Can't share it. But then, he isn't suppose to.
>
> Duh.
>
>> Infuriating: Can't replace or upgrade his computer.
>
> I doubt this is true. A call to the software maker should get him
> reinstalled quickly and easily. That's how it works with us, at least.
Yes it does. On any Thursday. Heaven forbidden his computer to
crash on a Friday. He would have to wait and entire week for that
software to be running again.
> -=ck
> "Programming in a state of EUPHORIA."
> http://www.cklester.com/euphoria/
unkmar
14. Re: serialize software
- Posted by "Unkmar" <L3Euphoria at bellsouth.net>
Nov 18, 2004
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Last edited Nov 19, 2004
----- Original Message -----
From: "cklester"
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: serialize software
>
>
> posted by: cklester <cklester at yahoo.com>
>
> Ken Orr wrote:
>> cklester asked:
>> > Since when does anybody move software from computer to computer on such
>> > a periodic basis as to make this intolerable?! Besides software pirates,
>> > I mean.
>>
>> I do. Last year I had to replace my laptop twiece because they died.
>> On my current one is on its second hardrive. I've reinstalled Windows five
>> times in the last six months alone. It always a bother to contact the
>> vendor of a software and try to convince them that I'm not a software
>> pirate and that my laptop DID get hit by lighting/infected by
>> virus/spyware/etc.
>
> Isn't it MORE of a bother to have a laptop die twice, lose a hard drive,
> and reinstall Windows five times. Whose fault is that? Certainly not the
> software vendor's...
>
> My point remains... your situation is rare.
No, His sitituaion is not rare. You see it as rare because you choose to.
Because you work from the other side. Because you don't have frequent
problems.
Again, I haven't reinstalled many things on my system in years. I
don't have to.
Partly because the SW doesn't force me to. Partly because I don't have to
reinstall my OS very often. Partly because I'm a technician. I'm
able to keep
my computer limping and working.
However, My friends aren't as lucky. They refuse to ask for my assitance
and make things worse. They won't consider paying for my help. They
make things worse. So, they end up reinstalling and calling 6 or 7
vendors.
because, it ISN'T a monopoly. First call WeezerSoft, then FlimpkinSoft
and PrampkinSoft, and .. I can keep making up names. So, Let's just add
LesterSoft to that list of vendors that must be called because I can't
LIVE
without my software. I can't REUSE my key for a new install. The install
generates a Code. YOU, input that code into your decoder and Spit out
your One type key. Gee, I love you people. Oops, I that was sarcasm.
I meant LOATHE.
>> The problem with this approach is that it assumes the user is thief until
>> proven otherwise.
>
> Putting a lock on something is a safety measure,
> not a presumption of guilt... otherwise, you'd be offended by all locks.
I've have a lock on my car, my house, my office and many other things.
I'm also allowed to have multiple keys. Not just get another key when
I get locked out. But to actually have another key BEFORE I get
locked out. So that I don't freeze to death just because I lost my only
key.
I hope your SW isn't used to run health care machines. Like dialysis
or respirator.
Sorry maam. We couldn't save your husband. It took us an hour on
hold to get a key to reinstall the ventilator software.
unkmar
15. Re: serialize software
- Posted by cklester <cklester at yahoo.com>
Nov 18, 2004
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Last edited Nov 19, 2004
Unkmar and cklester wrote:
> > It's not that big a deal, actually. We have thousands of clients and
> > most of them upgrade. It's just a matter of reinstalling the software
> > with us on the phone.
>
> The company I mention is only reachable 1 day a week. Thursday.
Well, that's horribly lame and I understand your plight a little better. :)
> > Since when does anybody move software from computer to computer on such
> > a periodic basis as to make this intolerable?! Besides software pirates,
> > I mean.
>
> Let's assume he has computers with 3 legit copies. Which he does.
> Just so happens that all 3 copies are different versions. For obvious
> reasons.
> He buys a computer so he puts a new copy on it.
With us, you call and we get you uninstalled, which provides us with a
confirmation of uninstall. Then, go to the new PC and reinstall. BAM!
With this new Euphoria program I've written, it takes a mere seconds to
do all this. Once I have it interfacing with the database, it might even
become humanless. =8^O
> >> Infuriating: Can't replace or upgrade his computer.
> > I doubt this is true. A call to the software maker should get him
> > reinstalled quickly and easily. That's how it works with us, at least.
> Yes it does. On any Thursday. Heaven forbidden his computer to
> crash on a Friday. He would have to wait an entire week for that
> software to be running again.
Yeah, that does stink a bit. :/
-=ck
"Programming in a state of EUPHORIA."
http://www.cklester.com/euphoria/
16. Re: serialize software
- Posted by cklester <cklester at yahoo.com>
Nov 18, 2004
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Last edited Nov 19, 2004
Unkmar and cklester exchanged words:
> > My point remains... your situation is rare.
>
> No, His sitituaion is not rare. You see it as rare because you choose to.
> Because you work from the other side. Because you don't have frequent
> problems.
I told you the basis of my perception: over a thousand clients and none
have ever had a bad experience like the one you described. Nor have any
griped about the license security, unless they were trying to bypass it.
I would think a sample of over 1000 users would be enough to estimate for
the overall population.
Also, all my users are corporate. I have no "personal use" users...
> > Putting a lock on something is a safety measure,
> > not a presumption of guilt... otherwise, you'd be offended by all locks.
>
> I have a lock on my car, my house, my office and many other things.
That lock prevents unauthorized users from getting in. You don't go around
handing your key to other people.
> I'm also allowed to have multiple keys.
But those are only if you LOSE the one key you use.
> But to actually have another key BEFORE I get
> locked out. So that I don't freeze to death just because I lost my only
> key.
So, you carry a set of extra keys on you? Redundancy is safe, I guess. :)
Look at the situation with the satellite rescue thing for cars. If you get
locked out, with some cars you can dial the satellite GPS place and tell
them you're locked out and they'll signal your car to get unlocked.
That's what we are. You need to move your software? Just call us and we'll
get you moved as quickly as possible. :)
> I hope your SW isn't used to run health care machines. Like dialysis
> or respirator.
>
> Sorry maam. We couldn't save your husband. It took us an hour on
> hold to get a key to reinstall the ventilator software.
We've actually had that happen a few times. Thank God for EULAs!!!
(That's a joke people!!! :P~)
-=ck
"Programming in a state of EUPHORIA."
http://www.cklester.com/euphoria/
