1. New Euphoria Users Website (Was Re: Re: What we really need...)
> There's lots of good code in the archives. Finding it is not real easy,
and
> using it is even less easy. Why? Because there is no accepted standard
> for coding or documentation. If there were an officially sponsored
library,
> and some published standards, people could choose to follow those
standards
> or ignore them, with the understanding that they wouldn't get into the
> official library unless they followed the guidelines.
Irv, don't you have a web site? Why don't you create the standard and start
a repository?
Hey! Why don't we all pitch in and get a domain name (a few suggestions:
EuGo.com, EuphoriaDepot.com, EuphoricBits.com, BitOfEuphoria.com, etc.).
Then I'll have my brother host our site on his box (prolly $24.99/mo, but
I'll check), and we could probably put EUPHORIA on it! If anybody's
interested in that, let me know. It can be everything we want for a EUPHORIA
website... and more!
2. Re: New Euphoria Users Website (Was Re: Re: What we really need...)
> Then I'll have my brother host our site on his box (prolly $24.99/mo, =
but ...
Thought that was a bit pricy (depends upon space and traffic of =
course?).
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Rom
> I'll check), and we could probably put EUPHORIA on it! If anybody's
> interested in that, let me know. It can be everything we want for a =
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> website... and more!
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3. Re: New Euphoria Users Website (Was Re: Re: What we really need...)
> > Then I'll have my brother host our site on his box (prolly $24.99/mo,
but ...
>
> Thought that was a bit pricy (depends upon space and traffic of course?).
>
> "Included in our one time account setup fee of $49.95 is a free domain
name
> (a $35 value) and then you never pay hosting fees again! Simply renew your
> domain name with 1st Host Web each year to keep your free web hosting.
> http://www.1sthostweb.com/index.html
Get them to let you run EUPHORIA cgi programs from their server and then
i'll be impressed. ;)
Also, we won't have pop-up or imbedded ads (unless we want to get people to
PAY for that privilege).
4. Re: New Euphoria Users Website (Was Re: Re: What we really need...)
> > > Then I'll have my brother host our site on his box (prolly $24.99/mo,
> but ...
> >
> > Thought that was a bit pricy (depends upon space and traffic of
course?).
Also, did I mention he's my younger brother? So, I should be able to bully
him into lowering his price for special EUPHORIA people. :)
5. Re: New Euphoria Users Website (Was Re: Re: What we really need...)
On 13 Nov 2002, at 10:09, C. K. Lester wrote:
>
> > There's lots of good code in the archives. Finding it is not real easy,
> and
> > using it is even less easy. Why? Because there is no accepted standard
> > for coding or documentation. If there were an officially sponsored
> library,
> > and some published standards, people could choose to follow those
> standards
> > or ignore them, with the understanding that they wouldn't get into the
> > official library unless they followed the guidelines.
>
> Irv, don't you have a web site? Why don't you create the standard and start a
> repository?
>
> Hey! Why don't we all pitch in and get a domain name (a few suggestions:
> EuGo.com, EuphoriaDepot.com, EuphoricBits.com, BitOfEuphoria.com, etc.).
> Then I'll have my brother host our site on his box (prolly $24.99/mo, but
> I'll check), and we could probably put EUPHORIA on it! If anybody's
> interested in that, let me know. It can be everything we want for a EUPHORIA
> website... and more!
How about EuForge ?
Kat
6. Re: New Euphoria Users Website (Was Re: Re: What we really need...)
----- Original Message -----=20
From: "C. K. Lester" <cklester at yahoo.com>
> Also, we won't have pop-up or imbedded ads (unless we want to get =
people to
> PAY for that privilege).
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then
> i'll be impressed. ;)
If Eu CGI cannot run on Linux servers then there it is Eu's fault.
Rom
7. Re: New Euphoria Users Website (Was Re: Re: What we really need...)
----- Original Message -----=20
From: "C. K. Lester" <cklester at yahoo.com>
> Get them to let you run EUPHORIA cgi programs from their server and =
then
> i'll be impressed. ;)
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8. Re: New Euphoria Users Website (Was Re: Re: What we really need...)
- Posted by irv at take.maxleft.com
Nov 13, 2002
On Wednesday 13 November 2002 11:09 am, CK wrote:
> Irv, don't you have a web site? Why don't you create the standard and start
> a repository?
Yes, I do. It's one of those freebies, but the ads aren't too obtrusive, in
my opinion. So far it seems dependable, and I could always get an additional
site just for that purpose.
As for a standard, I wouldn't want to create the standards myself, but I
would be willing to coordinate input from interested people, and post the
results. Probably the most appropriate way to handle this discussion would be
via a forum.
> Hey! Why don't we all pitch in and get a domain name (a few suggestions:
> EuGo.com, EuphoriaDepot.com, EuphoricBits.com, BitOfEuphoria.com, etc.).
> Then I'll have my brother host our site on his box (prolly $24.99/mo, but
> I'll check), and we could probably put EUPHORIA on it! If anybody's
> interested in that, let me know. It can be everything we want for a
> EUPHORIA website... and more!
Having the ability to run Euphoria cgi code would be a plus. Having a real
domain name would be another. Anything but EuGo.com, please. At least
Euphoria runs, something Yugos seldom did ;)
Irv
9. Re: New Euphoria Users Website (Was Re: Re: What we really need...)
Well ....
How about euphoricfieldofdreams.net ... the title of the main page will,=
of=20
course, be "Code it, and they will come ..."
Travis Beaty
Mason City, Iowa.
On Wednesday 13 November 2002 7:29 pm, irv at take.maxleft.com wrote:
>
> On Wednesday 13 November 2002 11:09 am, CK wrote:
> > Irv, don't you have a web site? Why don't you create the standard and
> > start a repository?
>
> Yes, I do. It's one of those freebies, but the ads aren't too obtrusive=
, in
> my opinion. So far it seems dependable, and I could always get an
> additional site just for that purpose.
>
> As for a standard, I wouldn't want to create the standards myself, but =
I
> would be willing to coordinate input from interested people, and post t=
he
> results. Probably the most appropriate way to handle this discussion wo=
uld
> be via a forum.
>
> > Hey! Why don't we all pitch in and get a domain name (a few suggestio=
ns:
> > EuGo.com, EuphoriaDepot.com, EuphoricBits.com, BitOfEuphoria.com, etc=
=2E).
> > Then I'll have my brother host our site on his box (prolly $24.99/mo,=
but
> > I'll check), and we could probably put EUPHORIA on it! If anybody's
> > interested in that, let me know. It can be everything we want for a
> > EUPHORIA website... and more!
>
> Having the ability to run Euphoria cgi code would be a plus. Having a r=
eal
> domain name would be another. Anything but EuGo.com, please. At least
> Euphoria runs, something Yugos seldom did ;)
>
> Irv
>
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10. Re: New Euphoria Users Website (Was Re: Re: What we really need...)
> How about EuForge ?
Can we all have our own directories? Run our own programs? etc...?
11. Re: New Euphoria Users Website (Was Re: Re: What we really need...)
> We support HTML 4
> We support PHP: version 4.03
> We support PERL: Version 5.005.03, with perl modules pre-installed
> We support CGI: Your own cgi-bin!
> We support VRML
> We support Real Audio
> We support Real Video
Ask 'em if they'll support EUPHORIA or executables in the cgi-bin... I think
that's the relevant question.
12. Re: New Euphoria Users Website (Was Re: Re: What we really need...)
On 13 Nov 2002, at 14:45, C. K. Lester wrote:
>
> > How about EuForge ?
>
> Can we all have our own directories? Run our own programs? etc...?
I don't know, it's not mine. Remember, when i registered the #euphoria
channel (twice!!) no one came to it, so i was d$%med if i was going to
register a domain, i'd have run everyone off of it just by owning it!
Ironically, to do anything more than basic interfacing to the output of Apache
on a remote *nix server, you can't use Eu.
Kat
13. Re: New Euphoria Users Website (Was Re: Re: What we really need...)
> > > How about EuForge ?
> >
> > Can we all have our own directories? Run our own programs? etc...?
>
> I don't know, it's not mine. Remember, when i registered the #euphoria
> channel (twice!!) no one came to it, so i was d$%med if i was going to
> register a domain, i'd have run everyone off of it just by owning it!
Obviously a chat room is far less needed right now than a full-blown
EUPHORIA developer's web site (of course, with newbie and expert sections).
You have to have users in the tens of thousands across the globe before a
chat room would become worthwhile.
14. Re: New Euphoria Users Website (Was Re: Re: What we really need...)
- Posted by irv at take.maxleft.com
Nov 13, 2002
On Wednesday 13 November 2002 09:29 am, Travis wrote:
>
> Well ....
>
> How about euphoricfieldofdreams.net ... the title of the main page will,
> of course, be "Code it, and they will come ..."
Yes indeedy, they will.
But do we really want to see hordes (schools?, packs?) of lawyers coming our
way? :p
Irv
15. Re: New Euphoria Users Website (Was Re: Re: What we really need...)
On 13 Nov 2002, at 15:33, C. K. Lester wrote:
>
> > > > How about EuForge ?
> > >
> > > Can we all have our own directories? Run our own programs? etc...?
> >
> > I don't know, it's not mine. Remember, when i registered the #euphoria
> > channel (twice!!) no one came to it, so i was d$%med if i was going to
> > register a domain, i'd have run everyone off of it just by owning it!
>
> Obviously a chat room is far less needed right now than a full-blown
> EUPHORIA developer's web site (of course, with newbie and expert sections).
> You
> have to have users in the tens of thousands across the globe before a chat
> room
> would become worthwhile.
But the chat room IS worthwhile NOW. It's just registered to someone else.
Kat
16. Re: New Euphoria Users Website (Was Re: Re: What we really need...)
> > Obviously a chat room is far less needed right now than a full-blown
> > EUPHORIA developer's web site (of course, with newbie and expert
sections). You
> > have to have users in the tens of thousands across the globe before a
chat room
> > would become worthwhile.
>
> But the chat room IS worthwhile NOW. It's just registered to someone else.
Worthwhile to whom?! I mean, how many people really visit the chat room?
Compare that to how many would visit a good archive, sets of tutorials,
articles, real world stories, etc...
17. Re: New Euphoria Users Website (Was Re: Re: What we really need...)
Rom writes:
> If Eu CGI cannot run on Linux servers
> then there it is Eu's fault.
Some fairly elaborate Euphoria CGI programs
are running right now on ListFilter.com
using Red Hat Linux.
There are also Euphoria CGI programs running on
RapidEuphoria.com using FreeBSD.
Euphoria is a good language to use for CGI.
The ex.err dumps and ex.pro dumps are very
handy when debugging, and the speed is
much better than Perl.
I've never asked permission to use Euphoria.
I just installed it myself in my own directory.
If they allow C, they have to allow Euphoria,
since Euphoria is just a C program.
If you've never set up a CGI program before,
you will no doubt encounter a few glitches, such as
setting the right permissions,
using Unix \n line termination, and being aware
that a process that is not you, but belongs to
your group will actually run the CGI program.
These glitches will trip you up no matter what
language your program is written in. Of course,
if you are unfamiliar with Unix commands,
that will be another hurdle to jump.
Regards,
Rob Craig
Rapid Deployment Software
http://www.RapidEuphoria.com
18. Re: New Euphoria Users Website (Was Re: Re: What we really need...)
On 13 Nov 2002, at 16:19, C. K. Lester wrote:
>
> > > Obviously a chat room is far less needed right now than a full-blown
> > > EUPHORIA developer's web site (of course, with newbie and expert
> sections). You
> > > have to have users in the tens of thousands across the globe before a
> chat room
> > > would become worthwhile.
> >
> > But the chat room IS worthwhile NOW. It's just registered to someone else.
>
> Worthwhile to whom?! I mean, how many people really visit the chat room?
> Compare that to how many would visit a good archive, sets of tutorials,
> articles, real world stories, etc...
On a good nite, there are 20 people, interacting in real time. They get
pointers to webpages, include files, tutorials, etc., things not obvious in the
install or on the RDS webpages. People who don't know what dos is come in
to, asking "what is an autoexec.bat, and what do i put in it where?". Or they
click on an include file to run it, naturally producing no output. Visiting a
webpage is not getting feedback on your question.
Kat
19. Re: New Euphoria Users Website (Was Re: Re: What we really need...)
> Rom writes:
> > If Eu CGI cannot run on Linux servers
> > then there it is Eu's fault.
>
> I've never asked permission to use Euphoria.
> I just installed it myself in my own directory.
Rob, are you saying I could up load a EUPHORIA executable file to my website
and it would take commands and run and give output?!
> If they allow C, they have to allow Euphoria,
> since Euphoria is just a C program.
Nobody I know "allows" C or any other rebel EXE on their server... Maybe I
just misundestood this whole time! yipes.
What if it's being hosted in a Win box (and not Linux)?
20. Re: New Euphoria Users Website (Was Re: Re: What we really need...)
On 13 Nov 2002, at 17:06, Robert Craig wrote:
>
> Rom writes:
> > If Eu CGI cannot run on Linux servers
> > then there it is Eu's fault.
>
> Some fairly elaborate Euphoria CGI programs
> are running right now on ListFilter.com
> using Red Hat Linux.
>
> There are also Euphoria CGI programs running on
> RapidEuphoria.com using FreeBSD.
>
> Euphoria is a good language to use for CGI.
> The ex.err dumps and ex.pro dumps are very
> handy when debugging, and the speed is
> much better than Perl.
>
> I've never asked permission to use Euphoria.
> I just installed it myself in my own directory.
> If they allow C, they have to allow Euphoria,
> since Euphoria is just a C program.
>
> If you've never set up a CGI program before,
> you will no doubt encounter a few glitches, such as
> setting the right permissions,
> using Unix \n line termination, and being aware
> that a process that is not you, but belongs to
> your group will actually run the CGI program.
That is just about the crux of my problem. I don't need nor want nor can get
another program to do the backside connection to me (or to another server
hosting the database). People i ask about it just look at me dumbfounded,
wondering why anyone would want to run one application on more than one
computer. So anyhow, Eu can't be a standalone application, it hasto use
whatever standard applications the host will load up and give you
permissions to run.
Kat
21. Re: New Euphoria Users Website (Was Re: Re: What we really need...)
> Visiting a webpage is not getting feedback on your question.
Unless you've got a comprehensive knowledge base. :)
22. Re: New Euphoria Users Website (Was Re: Re: What we really need...)
C.K. Lester writes:
> Rob, are you saying I could up load a EUPHORIA
> executable file to my website and it would take
> commands and run and give output?!
Yes, provided you followed the rules of "CGI"
- Common Gateway Interface. User inputs
come via an environment string - Euphoria's getenv(),
or sometimes via standard input - Euphoria's getc(0)
or gets(0). The Euphoria program has to output
HTML back to the user's browser via standard output
puts(1, ...) or printf(1, ...).
> What if it's being hosted in a Win box (and not Linux)?
CGI is supported there too. People have done it with Euphoria.
I've only used Linux and FreeBSD so far.
Regards,
Rob Craig
Rapid Deployment Software
http://www.RapidEuphoria.com
