1. Forum with sub headings
- Posted by ChrisB (moderator) Oct 02, 2014
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Hi
How feasible would it be to modify existing OpenEuhoria forum code to adopt forum sections, eg introduce yourself, euphoria programming, gui programming, general, off topic etc?
I know it is written in Eu, but where is that trumpeted?
Also is the forum code open source - and modifiable for other communities? What a great eu advert that would be. Imagine something as powerful as phpBB, yet easier to understand and mod.
Chris
2. Re: Forum with sub headings
- Posted by jimcbrown (admin) Oct 02, 2014
- 1630 views
Hi
How feasible would it be to modify existing OpenEuhoria forum code to adopt forum sections, eg introduce yourself, euphoria programming, gui programming, general, off topic etc?
This would be trivial to implement. The sole reason that it hasn't happened is due to opposition to the concept.
I know it is written in Eu, but where is that trumpeted?
http://openeuphoria.org/wiki/view/AboutWebsite.wc
A link to that page is at the bottom of almost every web page on this site, including the home page.
Also is the forum code open source - and modifiable for other communities? What a great eu advert that would be. Imagine something as powerful as phpBB, yet easier to understand and mod.
Chris
Yes, it's available from SCM here: http://scm.openeuphoria.org/hg/euweb/
Along with euCreole here: http://scm.openeuphoria.org/hg/creole/
And edbi here: http://jeremy.cowgar.com/edbi/
(It might have moved to http://bitbucket.org/jcowgar/edbi though.)
And WebClay here: http://bitbucket.org/jcowgar/webclay/overview
AFAIK no one's put together an easy-to-install package, though this is not that hard to do.
3. Re: Forum with sub headings
- Posted by ChrisB (moderator) Oct 02, 2014
- 1577 views
Hi
How feasible would it be to modify existing OpenEuhoria forum code to adopt forum sections, eg introduce yourself, euphoria programming, gui programming, general, off topic etc?
This would be trivial to implement. The sole reason that it hasn't happened is due to opposition to the concept.
I know it is written in Eu, but where is that trumpeted?
http://openeuphoria.org/wiki/view/AboutWebsite.wc
A link to that page is at the bottom of almost every web page on this site, including the home page.
Also is the forum code open source - and modifiable for other communities? What a great eu advert that would be. Imagine something as powerful as phpBB, yet easier to understand and mod.
Chris
Yes, it's available from SCM here: http://scm.openeuphoria.org/hg/euweb/
Along with euCreole here: http://scm.openeuphoria.org/hg/creole/
And edbi here: http://jeremy.cowgar.com/edbi/
(It might have moved to http://bitbucket.org/jcowgar/edbi though.)
And WebClay here: http://bitbucket.org/jcowgar/webclay/overview
AFAIK no one's put together an easy-to-install package, though this is not that hard to do.
Hi Jim
Thanks for those, fantastic, but kind of rest my case really (that of Eu is great, but only for those that already use it)
Ok, so if its trivial to implement sub headings, is it also trivial to implement user view choice - ie list view (as now) with a button to switch forum view (which I would recommend as the default)?
I recognise there has been forum member resistance, but my argument is (and incidentally always has been) that it looks dated, compared to most other languages out there, and that is the arena that eu competes in.
Chris
4. Re: Forum with sub headings
- Posted by jimcbrown (admin) Oct 02, 2014
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Hi Jim
Thanks for those, fantastic, but kind of rest my case really (that of Eu is great, but only for those that already use it)
Yeah, well, it's just that no one has taken the plunge and gone all the way on this yet.
Ok, so if its trivial to implement sub headings, is it also trivial to implement user view choice - ie list view (as now) with a button to switch forum view (which I would recommend as the default)?
Yes.
I recognise there has been forum member resistance, but my argument is (and incidentally always has been) that it looks dated, compared to most other languages out there, and that is the arena that eu competes in.
Chris
You'll get no argument from me on this.
5. Re: Forum with sub headings
- Posted by ghaberek (admin) Oct 02, 2014
- 1464 views
How feasible would it be to modify existing OpenEuhoria forum code to adopt forum sections, eg introduce yourself, euphoria programming, gui programming, general, off topic etc?
Here are a couple threads discussing the same topic. I am sure there are more. As Jim mentioned, historically there has been a lot of opposition on this front.
- (Sep 11, 2009) Forum Categories
- (Mar 06, 2009) Forum Improvement Suggestions
It's a great idea, but I don't think it's necessary at this time because this forum is not very busy. Breaking it up into sub-headings would only serve to make the activity appear more stale (e.g. seeing "Last post: some old date" on a lot of sub-headings). If and when a single forum "topic" becomes overwhelming, then it would be helpful to have the sub-headings you propose. I think the community would welcome the change when it becomes necessary.
-Greg
6. Re: Forum with sub headings
- Posted by ChrisB (moderator) Oct 02, 2014
- 1443 views
Hi
So, just to be clear, you don't want to change to what is generally the currently accepted method, or more common method at least, method of group communication, because it'll look like we're inactive, therefore creating less activity? Is that activity not visible in the list replies as well?
Those examples are from 2009 - that's 5 years ago, and I thought the list system was dated then.
Then I'll keep pushing for it, because I do think it's necessary - as I said if Euphoria wishes to survive and tempt new blood, then it needs to swim in the same sea as all the other sharks, and not where all the dead fish are floating. Poor metaphoric allusions I know, but I hope it gets the idea across.
How about a community vote? Its easy to set up a quick online poll. How about mailing all those on the database with an invite to the poll, (I know this might be a bit hip, but I'm nothing if not radical!). Is that doable?
Chris (feeling a bit Alex Salmond at the moment)
7. Re: Forum with sub headings
- Posted by ghaberek (admin) Oct 02, 2014
- 1464 views
So, just to be clear, you don't want to change to what is generally the currently accepted method, or more common method at least, method of group communication, because it'll look like we're inactive, therefore creating less activity?
That's not what I meant. I will elaborate.
If I look at the forum page today, I see the last activity at the top of the page. I have one heading that says, "Last Post" followed by a chronological list of topics. I can quickly assess how busy the forum is based on these dates alone. The newest content is always on top.
| subjet | last post |
|---|---|
| forum with sub headings | 30 minutes ago |
| open euphony -- for "offline" Euphoria discussions | 2 hours ago |
| Append | 2 days ago |
| Dot notation | 3 days ago |
If we use your example sub-headings, and throw some plausible dates next to them, we see a mixed-bag of activity with no chronological order. A section like "introduce yourself" or "off topic" might still goes days, weeks, or months without any activity, which (IMHO) adds to the staleness of the content and seems unnecessarily "inactive" for the entire forum. If we sort these new sub-headings by "last post" then the sub-headings will move around every day, or even get pushed off the first page where they're forgotten. (I can see "introduce yourself" being useful, but rarely used.)
| sub-heading | last post |
|---|---|
| introduce yourself | 2 months ago |
| euphoria programming | 3 hours ago |
| gui programming | 10 minutes ago |
| general/off topic | 4 days ago |
Is that activity not visible in the list replies as well?
Yes, and I can certainly look at the Recent Activity page to see everything in one nicely-organized and filtered list. However, that is not what visitors see when they visit the "forum" and it's not even immediately obvious to forum users that this functionality exists. One change I think might help is to move this link to the top of the forum page instead of in the middle of the "Quick Links" section on the right. Most other forums that I use have a "recent activity" or "new posts" link at the top for quick access and visibility.
Like I said: I think it's a great idea. I'm not arguing against it. I just think it's unnecessary at this time. You're putting the cart before the horse. Let's fix the problem of drawing people to Euphoria and the community as a whole, and then address the need for an expanded forum when we see an increase in activity. I am fully on-board for drawing more folks to Euphoria. The more, the merrier!
Keep in mind that categories work for messages as well, so maybe we could encourage that functionality some more, and make it easier to locate "hot" categories for popular topics. Just a thought.
-Greg
8. Re: Forum with sub headings
- Posted by ChrisB (moderator) Oct 02, 2014
- 1441 views
Hi Greg
All valid points.
So would you have any objections to allowing the user to have the choice of view?
Chris
9. Re: Forum with sub headings
- Posted by Nevla Oct 02, 2014
- 1484 views
The link to ETML in the AboutWebsite page does not work. Could you please fix it?
