1. Smileys
- Posted by Jeremy Cowgar Jul 11, 2008
- 926 views
Ok, I have given one other set a try, feedback?
- : -) ..........
- : -P ..........
- : -D ..........
- : -O ..........
- : -/ ..........
- ^ _^ ..........
- : -( ..........
- ; -) ..........
- > :[] .......... >:[]
- B -D ..........
- : '( ..........
- > :) .......... >:)
- : -* ..........
- : lol: ..........
- : oops: ..........
- : sick: ..........
- : heart: ..........
- : zzz: ..........
2. Re: Smileys
- Posted by Jason Gade Jul 11, 2008
- 903 views
Ok, I have given one other set a try, feedback?
- : -) ..........
- : -P ..........
- : -D ..........
- : -O ..........
- : -/ ..........
- ^ _^ ..........
- : -( ..........
- ; -) ..........
- > :[] .......... >:[]
- B -D ..........
- : '( ..........
- > :) .......... >:)
- : -* ..........
- : lol: ..........
- : oops: ..........
- : sick: ..........
- : heart: ..........
- : zzz: ..........
Those look pretty good. I like that they're less blocky than the last set.
j.
3. Re: Smileys
- Posted by Jeremy Cowgar Jul 11, 2008
- 917 views
Oh, view:
http://openeuphoria.org/EUforum/index.cgi?module=forum&action=message&id=100452#100452
For how they appear in a paragraph.
Jeremy
4. Re: Smileys
- Posted by Derek Parnell Jul 11, 2008
- 919 views
Looking good, Jeremy. Unless anything better comes along, I'd keep this set.
5. Re: Smileys
- Posted by Dan M. Jul 13, 2008
- 923 views
I like this new set of smileys a lot!
They're visible, rather than pale, they're individually expressive, and there's a wide range of expression available with them. Great!
Two questions:
1. When I look via Preview, the blue box background of a smiley is almost (not quite) invisible, but when a message is viewed, I see a blue box around the smiley against the white of the message background. I think you or someone said something about a browser setting that related to this, because the smiley icons themselves in fact have transparent backgrounds??
2. I guess : -) is the "normal" smiling smiley, but I wonder if you could translate :) into also? It's just a little faster to type, not really important at all.
Dan
6. Re: Smileys
- Posted by Dan M. Jul 13, 2008
- 861 views
I like this new set of smileys a lot!
They're visible, rather than pale, they're individually expressive, and there's a wide range of expression available with them. Great!
Two questions:
1. When I look via Preview, the blue box background of a smiley is almost (not quite) invisible, but when a message is viewed, I see a blue box around the smiley against the white of the message background. I think you or someone said something about a browser setting that related to this, because the smiley icons themselves in fact have transparent backgrounds??
2. I guess : -) is the "normal" smiling smiley, but I wonder if you could translate :) into also? It's just a little faster to type, not really important at all.
Dan
Forgot to include: Looking forward to when you have time to add a "selection box" of some sort for smileys, bold/italic/etc, links, etc.
Dan
7. Re: Smileys
- Posted by Jeremy Cowgar Jul 13, 2008
- 923 views
1. When I look via Preview, the blue box background of a smiley is almost (not quite) invisible, but when a message is viewed, I see a blue box around the smiley against the white of the message background. I think you or someone said something about a browser setting that related to this, because the smiley icons themselves in fact have transparent backgrounds??
Hm, I cannot seem to replicate this. What browser/version and OS are you running?
2. I guess : -) is the "normal" smiling smiley, but I wonder if you could translate :) into also? It's just a little faster to type, not really important at all.
I was hesitant do that because there are many that will conflict w/other types of text we may enter, especially source code, if I make all the short versions of smileys converted to.
Jeremy
8. Re: Smileys
- Posted by Dan M. Jul 13, 2008
- 906 views
1. When I look via Preview, the blue box background of a smiley is almost (not quite) invisible, but when a message is viewed, I see a blue box around the smiley against the white of the message background. I think you or someone said something about a browser setting that related to this, because the smiley icons themselves in fact have transparent backgrounds??
Hm, I cannot seem to replicate this. What browser/version and OS are you running?
IE 6.0, Win XP
2. I guess : -) is the "normal" smiling smiley, but I wonder if you could translate :) into also? It's just a little faster to type, not really important at all.
I was hesitant do that because there are many that will conflict w/other types of text we may enter, especially source code, if I make all the short versions of smileys converted to.
Jeremy
Oh, ok, that's fine.
Dan
9. Re: Smileys
- Posted by Unkmar Jul 13, 2008
- 882 views
PNG on IE versus Firefox. IE doesn't handle transparency of PNG files. Use GIF to resolve the issue.
Unkmar
10. Re: Smileys
- Posted by Dan M. Jul 13, 2008
- 921 views
- Last edited Jul 14, 2008
PNG on IE versus Firefox. IE doesn't handle transparency of PNG files. Use GIF to resolve the issue.
Unkmar
Thank you Lucius.
Now, since the current set of smileys is pretty nice, does someone know how to translate PNG file to GIF?
Dan
11. Re: Smileys
- Posted by Jim C. Brown Jul 13, 2008
- 886 views
- Last edited Jul 14, 2008
GIF has patent issues. We should just use PNG.
PNG on IE versus Firefox. IE doesn't handle transparency of PNG files. Use GIF to resolve the issue.
Unkmar
Thank you Lucius.
Now, since the current set of smileys is pretty nice, does someone know how to translate PNG file to GIF?
Dan
12. Re: Smileys
- Posted by Dan M. Jul 13, 2008
- 883 views
- Last edited Jul 14, 2008
GIF has patent issues. We should just use PNG.
Ok, I can live with the tiny blue border square.
Dan
PNG on IE versus Firefox. IE doesn't handle transparency of PNG files. Use GIF to resolve the issue.
Unkmar
Thank you Lucius.
Now, since the current set of smileys is pretty nice, does someone know how to translate PNG file to GIF?
Dan
13. Re: Smileys
- Posted by Jason Gade Jul 13, 2008
- 902 views
- Last edited Jul 14, 2008
GIF has patent issues. We should just use PNG.
PNG on IE versus Firefox. IE doesn't handle transparency of PNG files. Use GIF to resolve the issue.
Unkmar
Thank you Lucius.
Now, since the current set of smileys is pretty nice, does someone know how to translate PNG file to GIF?
Dan
gif patent expired in like, 2004 or so.
But otherwise, yes. We should use png.
14. Re: Smileys
- Posted by Derek Parnell Jul 14, 2008
- 881 views
PNG on IE versus Firefox. IE doesn't handle transparency of PNG files. Use GIF to resolve the issue.
Or ditch IE to resolve the issue and use a compliant browser instead.
15. Re: Smileys
- Posted by ZNorQ Jul 14, 2008
- 891 views
PNG on IE versus Firefox. IE doesn't handle transparency of PNG files. Use GIF to resolve the issue.
Or ditch IE to resolve the issue and use a compliant browser instead.
Urk, I wish I could, but the company I work for swears to IE... >:( I use XnView to convert images..
Kenneth / ZNorQ
16. Re: Smileys
- Posted by ZNorQ Jul 14, 2008
- 906 views
PNG on IE versus Firefox. IE doesn't handle transparency of PNG files. Use GIF to resolve the issue.
Or ditch IE to resolve the issue and use a compliant browser instead.
Urk, I wish I could, but the company I work for swears to IE... >:( I use XnView to convert images..
Kenneth / ZNorQ
Check this one out... [http://www.znorq.net/euphoria/images/forum/new.gif|new.gif]
Kenneth / ZNorQ
17. Re: Smileys
- Posted by ZNorQ Jul 14, 2008
- 901 views
PNG on IE versus Firefox. IE doesn't handle transparency of PNG files. Use GIF to resolve the issue.
Or ditch IE to resolve the issue and use a compliant browser instead.
Urk, I wish I could, but the company I work for swears to IE... >:( I use XnView to convert images..
Kenneth / ZNorQ
Check this one out... [http://www.znorq.net/euphoria/images/forum/new.gif|new.gif]
Kenneth / ZNorQ
Ehr, don't know what happend there, but obviously I did something that "does not compute".. I'll try again; http://www.znorq.net/euphoria/images/forum/new.gif
Kenneth / ZNorQ
18. Re: Smileys
- Posted by ZNorQ Jul 14, 2008
- 897 views
PNG on IE versus Firefox. IE doesn't handle transparency of PNG files. Use GIF to resolve the issue.
Or ditch IE to resolve the issue and use a compliant browser instead.
Urk, I wish I could, but the company I work for swears to IE... >:( I use XnView to convert images..
Kenneth / ZNorQ
Check this one out... http://www.znorq.net/euphoria/images/forum/new.gif Kenneth / ZNorQ
Ehr, don't know what happend there, but obviously I did something that "does not compute".. I'll try again; http://www.znorq.net/euphoria/images/forum/new.gif
Kenneth / ZNorQ
Hmm... 3rd attempt..
Kenneth / ZNorQ
19. Re: Smileys
- Posted by Derek Parnell Jul 14, 2008
- 934 views
Check this one out...
That looks like a creole bug, but in any case the correct markup uses double brackets ...
[[http://www.znorq.net/euphoria/images/forum/new.gif|new.gif]] > new.gif
20. Re: Smileys
- Posted by Derek Parnell Jul 14, 2008
- 875 views
In fact you can bring the image into the post itself by using double braces ...
{{http://www.znorq.net/euphoria/images/forum/new.gif}} > 
21. Re: Smileys
- Posted by ZNorQ Jul 14, 2008
- 913 views
Check this one out...
That looks like a creole bug, but in any case the correct markup uses double brackets ...
[[http://www.znorq.net/euphoria/images/forum/new.gif|new.gif]] > new.gif
Yeah, I noticed that after my 3rd attempt.. Actually, didn't see the "common formatting" notations below until now.. Thanks though.
As for the final outcome of my png->gif conversion, I'm not quite happy with it.. Seems XnView isn't the best tool, or maybe the user isn't doing it correctly.. :)
Kenneth / ZNorQ
22. Re: Smileys
- Posted by Jeremy Cowgar Jul 14, 2008
- 883 views
Wow, I am very surprised at the difference. The .GIF version is not crisp at all. The .PNG version looks great, the .GIF looks pretty bad.
Oh, BTW... I have IE 7 on my box and the PNG's have no problem. They look just as good as they do in Firefox.
Jeremy
23. Re: Smileys
- Posted by Greg Haberek Jul 14, 2008
- 910 views
Wow, I am very surprised at the difference. The .GIF version is not crisp at all. The .PNG version looks great, the .GIF looks pretty bad.
Oh, BTW... I have IE 7 on my box and the PNG's have no problem. They look just as good as they do in Firefox.
Jeremy
That's because PNG supports alpha transparency, whereas GIF only support binary transparency. Therefore, PNG images "blend" into the background much better. I've always used PNG images over GIFs. I've pretty much stopped caring that IE6 doesn't properly support them. Get Firefox or deal with it, IMHO.
-Greg
24. Re: Smileys
- Posted by Gary Shingles Jul 14, 2008
- 910 views
That's because PNG supports alpha transparency, whereas GIF only support binary transparency. Therefore, PNG images "blend" into the background much better. I've always used PNG images over GIFs. I've pretty much stopped caring that IE6 doesn't properly support them. Get Firefox or deal with it, IMHO.
Not to mention GIF is index to 256 colours, and even using an optimised palette can look pretty bad, but I'll still GIF for transparency until I see the browser stats heavily favour IE7 or Firefox. At the moment (from a quick inexhaustive random survey :)) the stats seem to slightly favour "gecko based" (~40%) with IE6 and IE7 roughly equal (~25%).
I use IE6 mostly and IE7 and Firefox occasionally just to check compatibility. But yeah, IE6 is getting pretty tired now.
Gary
25. Re: Smileys
- Posted by Unkmar Jul 14, 2008
- 916 views
GIF has patent issues. We should just use PNG.
PNG on IE versus Firefox. IE doesn't handle transparency of PNG files. Use GIF to resolve the issue.
Unkmar
Thank you Lucius.
Now, since the current set of smileys is pretty nice, does someone know how to translate PNG file to GIF?
Dan
gif patent expired in like, 2004 or so.
But otherwise, yes. We should use png.
This exert is from the link provided in the previous post:
Consequently, while Unisys has further patents and patent applications relating to improvements to the LZW technique, the GIF format may now be used freely.
That being said. I suggest we use PNG or JPG except for when transparency is needed. Microsoft has apparently decided that Internet Explorer should not support the transparency portion of the PNG format. GIF is the only image format that is cross browser supported for transparency.
26. Re: Smileys
- Posted by Jeremy Cowgar Jul 14, 2008
- 895 views
That being said. I suggest we use PNG or JPG except for when transparency is needed. Microsoft has apparently decided that Internet Explorer should not support the transparency portion of the PNG format. GIF is the only image format that is cross browser supported for transparency.
IE 7 and up support PNG just fine. IE 7 is available for XP right? (I am assuming, but don't really know).
Jeremy
27. Re: Smileys
- Posted by Derek Parnell Jul 14, 2008
- 872 views
IE 7 is available for XP right?
Yes, I use IE7 on XP (when I absolutely have to). Otherwise I'm happy with Opera v9.51 or Safari v3.1.2 on XP.
28. Re: Smileys
- Posted by Jeremy Cowgar Jul 14, 2008
- 884 views
IE 7 is available for XP right?
Yes, I use IE7 on XP (when I absolutely have to). Otherwise I'm happy with Opera v9.51 or Safari v3.1.2 on XP.
Derek,
Does Opera or Safari have problems with PNG images on Windows?
Jeremy
29. Re: Smileys
- Posted by ZNorQ Jul 14, 2008
- 874 views
Wow, I am very surprised at the difference. The .GIF version is not crisp at all. The .PNG version looks great, the .GIF looks pretty bad.
Oh, BTW... I have IE 7 on my box and the PNG's have no problem. They look just as good as they do in Firefox.
Jeremy
Yeah, I agree. The strange thing is that the png version contains no more than aprox 130 colors, so it should easily be converted to gif (I would suppose).
Kenneth / ZNorQ
30. Re: Smileys
- Posted by ZNorQ Jul 14, 2008
- 895 views
Wow, I am very surprised at the difference. The .GIF version is not crisp at all. The .PNG version looks great, the .GIF looks pretty bad.
Oh, BTW... I have IE 7 on my box and the PNG's have no problem. They look just as good as they do in Firefox.
Jeremy
That's because PNG supports alpha transparency, whereas GIF only support binary transparency. Therefore, PNG images "blend" into the background much better. I've always used PNG images over GIFs. I've pretty much stopped caring that IE6 doesn't properly support them. Get Firefox or deal with it, IMHO.
-Greg
I'm not quite the wizz on this, does this mean that it blends the colors of the star with the background colors?
Still, I don't quite buy that this should generate such a jagged apperance on the converted png->gif image as both contain no more than 130 colors?
Kenneth / ZNorQ
31. Re: Smileys
- Posted by Derek Parnell Jul 14, 2008
- 888 views
Does Opera or Safari have problems with PNG images on Windows?
None whatsoever.
32. Re: Smileys
- Posted by Greg Haberek Jul 14, 2008
- 915 views
I'm not quite the wizz on this, does this mean that it blends the colors of the star with the background colors?
Yes, exactly. The outer edges of the star are alpha blended so they fade in with the background. This produces a smooth edge in such a small space (16x16 pixels).
Still, I don't quite buy that this should generate such a jagged apperance on the converted png->gif image as both contain no more than 130 colors?
It's not the number of colors involved, but the transparency support overall. The GIF format simply does not support alpha blending. Therefore the alpha channel is dropped when the image is converted and all the fancy blending goes with it. The pixels you see missing from the GIF image are the alpha pixels in the PNG image.
-Greg
33. Re: Smileys
- Posted by Greg Haberek Jul 14, 2008
- 927 views
A bit more information...
- On most images, PNG can achieve greater compression than GIF
- PNG gives a much wider range of transparency options than GIF, including alpha channel transparency.
- PNG gives a much wider range of color depths than GIF (truecolor up to 48-bit compared to 8-bit 256-color), allowing for greater color precision, smoother fades, etc.
- GIF supports animation while PNG does not
- PNG images are widely supported (for instance, with modern web browsers and office software), but not as widely supported as GIF images.
In fact, I suggest going over the entire PNG article, it makes for a good read.
-Greg
34. Re: Smileys
- Posted by Jim C. Brown Jul 14, 2008
- 916 views
[quote Greg Haberek] A bit more information...
There is a less popular (and less supported) MNG format that supports animation. If we ever need animation on here, that is... I'm perfectly happy with PNG.
