RE: Re:
Hey Ray and Guilermo,
It's funny you mentioned Visual Basic as being bloatware. I once made a
HUGE database program for a client, and it easily broke 25 Megs. I think
12mb of it was for dependencies, such as DAO. Not only was it large, it
was a resource hog. Also, I consider using Delphi, but my first
programming language was C++, and we were taught to hate Pascal. ;)
Delphi and Object Pascal aren't bad though.
I never do any Database programming in C or C++, so I may use Visual
Basic, and Java just isn't fast enough for this project.
I think I'll pick up on Euphoria this evening after lunch and see if it
will be suitable for my needs. I have a week for planning, so if this
goes sour I'll submit to Visual Basic or COBOL (haha, j/k).
Later,
Chris
pampeano at ROCKETMAIL.COM wrote:
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> I'm using EDS on a big project (news page not finished yet) and it works
> =
> fine.
> I haven't used the other libraries because I'm not a db expert and I
> don'=
> t want to be one.
>
> Win32lib is still on a development stage, but I think that's not that
> bug=
> gy, maybe you could see some weird stuff, but the win32lib team had
> shown=
> a special interest on fixing the bugs so it's not a big problem.
>
> Give euphoria a try, it's easy and fast to devolp programs on it, and
> spe=
> cial debugging them! (If you have thel full version you have more
> details=
> to fix the problems).
>
> Best Regards,
> Guillermo Bonveh=ED
> AKA: Knixeur, Red Knight, Caballero Rojo
>
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> To: EUforum=20
> Subject: Re:
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> Hi Chris,
>
> > 1) Is there support for relational databases
>
> The archives contain:
>
> * a MySQL wrapper,
> * a pretty new ODBC wrapper (this is not a full wrapper but I
> think the basics work).
> * Euphoria's own EDS database system.
>
> I don't think any of these have been used on a big project yet????
> not that I can recall hearing about anyway. I haven't used the MySQL
> wrapper but the other two seem to work ok from my small amount
> of playing.
>
>
> > 2) I saw a win32 GUI Library, what controls does it support? More
> > specifically, does it wrap dockables windows, etc?
>
> Win32Lib is an excellent wrapper for the Windows API.
> It has support for the majority of Windows features likes windows,
> button=
> s,
> toolbars, listviews, status bars, textboxes etc etc.
> It is still being heavily developed and as such the odd bug still exists
> =
> and
> the
> doco hasn't caught up yet.
> You will find many many examples of reasonably simple demos using
> Win32Lib.
> >From my personal view I wouldn't start a major development project until
> Win32Lib is a little more stable. Others might disagree?? I'd like to
> he=
> ar
> opinions of anyone who does disagree.
>
> > 3) How does compiled Euphoria code compare to say (realistically) Visua=
> l
> > Basic?
>
> Well, Euphoria in most cases are bound when distributed. This means the
> runtime
> interpreter and the source program is merged together for ease of
> distribution.
> I have never done any benchmarks against any of language ... but then
> aga=
> in
> I have
> never had the need for more speed with Euphoria.
> If you are planning any type of business software with Euphoria will
> have
> power to burn.
>
> There is also a translator available that translates your Euphoria
> progra=
> m
> to C which you can then compile .... which "might" increase the speed
> somewhat.
> The amount of increase has been debated on the list on and off for a few
> months.
>
> > Also, If anyone knows of a compiled GUI program that demonstrates the
> > power of Euphoria could you please post the link?
>
> I don't know of any large applications ... the best bet is to look
> throug=
> h
> the recent user contributions. I don't think you will find what your
> looking
> for though. (Maybe the IDE is a good example???)
>
> > I'm trying to save myself a few months of development by finding a
> > substitute language I could use for this project. I've made database
> > programs in C++ before, and I don't want to go there again.
>
> For windows development I don't think Euphoria is the tool to save
> yourse=
> lf
> time writing software.
> Although the base language is very stable and fast, it by itself won't
> he=
> lp
> you
> do anything in Windows. All the windows add on libraries are written by
> users
> you graciously give there code to the community. This in most cases
> mean=
> s
> bugs are more prominent, documentation is lacking and support is given
> by a few devoted users.
>
> My tool of choice for writing "business" type software for Windows would
> =
> be
> Visual Basic or Delphi.
> Visual Basic (VB) has many knockers (especially around here on the
> Euphor=
> ia
> list)
> and in some regards VB is very inefficent (the word bloatware was
> probabl=
> y
> conceived
> by a VB programmer!) but for a development tool that helps you to
> deliver=
> a
> project
> to a client on time with required functioanlity I don't thin anything
> com=
> es
> close.
>
> If the size of your projects distribution is a major concern I'd suggest
> Delphi.
>
> Ray Smith
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> <DIV>I'm using EDS on a big project (news page not finished yet) an=
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> works fine.</DIV>
> <DIV>I haven't used the other libraries because I'm not a db expert=
> and I=20
> don't want to be one.</DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>Win32lib is still on a development stage, but I think that's n=
> ot that=20
> buggy, maybe you could see some weird stuff, but the win32lib team =
> had=20
> shown a special interest on fixing the bugs so it's not a big=20
> problem.</DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>Give euphoria a try, it's easy and fast to devolp programs on =
> it, and=20
> special debugging them! (If you have thel full version you have mor=
> e=20
> details to fix the problems).</DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>
> <DIV>Best Regards,</DIV>
> <DIV> Guillermo Bonveh=ED</DIV>
> <DIV> AKA: Knixeur, Red Knight, Cabal=
> lero=20
> Rojo</DIV></DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV><I>-------Original Message-------</I></DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
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> <DIV dir=3Dltr id=3Dfromshowfield><U><I>From:</I></U><B> Ray Smith=20
> <SMITHR at IX.NET.AU></B></DIV>
> <DIV dir=3Dltr id=3Dtoshowfield><U><I>To:</I></U><B> EUforum=20
> <EUFORUM at TOPICA.COM></B></DIV>
> <DIV dir=3Dltr id=3Dsubjectshowfield><U><I>Subject:</I></U><B>=20
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> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D<BR><BR>Hi=20
> Chris,<BR><BR>> 1) Is there support for relational databases<BR>=
> <BR>The=20
> archives contain:<BR><BR>* a MySQL wrapper,<BR>* a pret=
> ty new=20
> ODBC wrapper (this is not a full wrapper but I<BR>think the basics=20
> work).<BR>* Euphoria's own EDS database system.<BR><BR>I don'=
> t think=20
> any of these have been used on a big project yet????<BR>not that I =
> can=20
> recall hearing about anyway. I haven't used the MySQL<BR>wrap=
> per but=20
> the other two seem to work ok from my small amount<BR>of=20
> playing.<BR><BR><BR>> 2) I saw a win32 GUI Library, what control=
> s does=20
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> ws,=20
> etc?<BR><BR>Win32Lib is an excellent wrapper for the Windows=20
> API.<BR>It has support for the majority of Windows features likes w=
> indows,=20
> buttons,<BR>toolbars, listviews, status bars, textboxes etc etc.<BR=
> >It is=20
> still being heavily developed and as such the odd bug still exists=20
> and<BR>the<BR>doco hasn't caught up yet.<BR>You will find many many=
> =20
> examples of reasonably simple demos using<BR>Win32Lib.<BR>>From =
> my=20
> personal view I wouldn't start a major development project=20
> until<BR>Win32Lib is a little more stable. Others might disag=
> ree??=20
> I'd like to hear<BR>opinions of anyone who does disagree.<BR><BR>&g=
> t; 3)=20
> How does compiled Euphoria code compare to say (realistically)=20
> Visual<BR>> Basic?<BR><BR>Well, Euphoria in most cases are bound=
> when=20
> distributed. This means the<BR>runtime<BR>interpreter and the=
> source=20
> program is merged together for ease of<BR>distribution.<BR>I have n=
> ever=20
> done any benchmarks against any of language ... but then again<BR>I=
> =20
> have<BR>never had the need for more speed with Euphoria.<BR>If you =
> are=20
> planning any type of business software with Euphoria will have<BR>p=
> ower to=20
> burn.<BR><BR>There is also a translator available that translates y=
> our=20
> Euphoria program<BR>to C which you can then compile .... which "mig=
> ht"=20
> increase the speed<BR>somewhat.<BR>The amount of increase has been =
> debated=20
> on the list on and off for a few<BR>months.<BR><BR>> Also, If an=
> yone=20
> knows of a compiled GUI program that demonstrates the<BR>> power=
> of=20
> Euphoria could you please post the link?<BR><BR>I don't know of any=
> large=20
> applications ... the best bet is to look through<BR>the recent user=
> =20
> contributions. I don't think you will find what=20
> your<BR>looking<BR>for though. (Maybe the IDE is a good=20
> example???)<BR><BR>> I'm trying to save myself a few months of=20
> development by finding a<BR>> substitute language I could use fo=
> r this=20
> project. I've made database<BR>> programs in C++ before, and I d=
> on't=20
> want to go there again.<BR><BR>For windows development I don't thin=
> k=20
> Euphoria is the tool to save yourself<BR>time writing=20
> software.<BR>Although the base language is very stable and fast, it=
> by=20
> itself won't help<BR>you<BR>do anything in Windows. All the w=
> indows=20
> add on libraries are written by<BR>users<BR>you graciously give the=
> re code=20
> to the community. This in most cases means<BR>bugs are more=20
> prominent, documentation is lacking and support is given<BR>by a fe=
> w=20
> devoted users.<BR><BR>My tool of choice for writing "business" type=
> =20
> software for Windows would be<BR>Visual Basic or Delphi.<BR>Visual =
> Basic=20
> (VB) has many knockers (especially around here on the=20
> Euphoria<BR>list)<BR>and in some regards VB is very inefficent (the=
> word=20
> bloatware was probably<BR>conceived<BR>by a VB programmer!) but for=
> a=20
> development tool that helps you to deliver a<BR>project<BR>to a cli=
> ent on=20
> time with required functioanlity I don't thin anything=20
> comes<BR>close.<BR><BR>If the size of your projects distribution is=
> a=20
> major concern I'd suggest<BR>Delphi.<BR><BR>Ray Smith<BR><BR><BR></=
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